Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!

[Chris007]

1 minute ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Is this normal for University Presidents to have this much say? Genuinely curious if this is standard or IU has some disfunction where Scott Dolsen can't get his guy

Normal for someone like Fitzgerald or Gruden but probably not for any other candidates.

[Scotty R]

2 hours ago, iuthruandthru said:

I’m very curious how much IU is willing to spend on the next coach as that will be part of why first list candidates may turn down IU

They have been using this search firm for a couple of weeks so it doesn't mean anyone turned us down

 I assume they are used to do the leg work on contacting through back channels to see who would be interested. I am pretty sure the AD gives them some names to do background checks and gage interest.  Some act like these forms yells the AD who to look at.

[rayl456]

2 hours ago, Lebowski said:

This is what I'm afraid of. 

But you’re not really surprised…right?

[iubb]

1 minute ago, Chris007 said:

Normal for someone like Fitzgerald or Gruden but probably not for any other candidates.

its the equivalent of the owner of an MLB team signing off on a mega contract.... 

 

 

[AZ Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Is this normal for University Presidents to have this much say? Genuinely curious if this is standard or IU has some disfunction where Scott Dolsen can't get his guy

Probably due, at least in part, to the baggage that Gruden and Fitzgerald bring... but I also question Dolson's ability to get much done (apart from crapping his pants).

[AZ Hoosier]

3 minutes ago, iubb said:

its the equivalent of the owner of an MLB team signing off on a mega contract.... 

doubt that is the case... because if true, the obvious question is "where was the university President when Allen got his guarantee on the $20+M buyout approved?"

 

[Scotty R]

10 minutes ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Would it be wrong to think that he could have a Deon Sanders impact to IU? 

Call me crazy, but I'm all for it

You mean going 4-9

[ap2345]

3 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Probably due, at least in part, to the baggage that Gruden and Fitzgerald bring... but I also question Dolson's ability to get much done (apart from crapping his pants).

That’s what it is. Also there’s always more than just the AD that have to sign off on any hire before it’s official. This happens at all levels of athletics. 

[iubb]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

doubt that is the case... because if true, the obvious question is "where was the university President when Allen got his guarantee on the $20+M buyout approved?"

 

I mean,  its all hindsight now, but at the time he earned that extension...

 

Can you imagine Allen getting poached by a UCLA/USC type school after the seasons he had up to that extension? 

 

 

The # of pitchforks that would be outside the AD's office if he left because IU could not get an extension done would rival the population of a small city

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

doubt that is the case... because if true, the obvious question is "where was the university President when Allen got his guarantee on the $20+M buyout approved?"

 

Whitten wasn’t president and McRobbie didn’t care about athletics 

[southernindianahoosier2]

5 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

You mean going 4-9

That is an upgrade from our 3 wins this year.

[southernindianahoosier2]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

doubt that is the case... because if true, the obvious question is "where was the university President when Allen got his guarantee on the $20+M buyout approved?"

 

Is Dolsen a good, great, or bad AD? Anyone have insider knowledge know or care to provide context? Want to set my expectations for this hire to this answer

[AZ Hoosier]

9 minutes ago, iubb said:

I mean,  its all hindsight now, but at the time he earned that extension...

Can you imagine Allen getting poached by a UCLA/USC type school after the seasons he had up to that extension? 

The # of pitchforks that would be outside the AD's office if he left because IU could not get an extension done would rival the population of a small city

Yeah, Allen probably did earn the extension... and contractually, IU was required to do the extension... but to my knowledge, there was nothing contractual about guaranteeing a $20+M buyout... THAT'S where Dolson screwed the pooch, and it's the part that sticks in my craw.

[RaceToTheTop]

5 hours ago, GoIU8 said:

What support did Tom Allen have in 2019 and 2020 that he somehow didn't have from 2021-2023? 

NIL has changed the game.  NIL in football at IU is basically non-existent.

[Trish]

15 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

NIL has changed the game.  NIL in football at IU is basically non-existent.

Donors will buy out a head coach but not contribute to an NIL fund. 
 

Go Hoosiers! 

[JSHoosier]

If we can get a good coach it'd be a step but we need to do more. Facility improvements and upping our game with football NIL need to be done as well.

[AZ Hoosier]

27 minutes ago, Trish said:

Donors will buy out a head coach but not contribute to an NIL fund. 
 

Go Hoosiers! 

I would argue that more would contribute to an NIL fund if they weren't busy putting together $20M to get rid of the last coach.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a donor would be willing to spend large sums of money to make someone go away, but that same donor would not consider contributing to an NIL fund or a capital improvement effort to improve facilities - both are for the benefit of the players and the overall betterment of IU football.

[Golfman25]

57 minutes ago, maharkn said:

No naked carwashes

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Actually I would want football players that would kick peoples a$$ for trying a “car wash.”  :)

[Trish]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I would argue that more would contribute to an NIL fund if they weren't' busy putting together $20M to get rid of the last coach.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a donor would be willing to spend large sums of money to make someone go away, but that same donor would not consider contributing to an NIL fund of a capital improvement effort to improve facilities - both are for the benefit of the players and the overall betterment of IU football.

I do agree. I’m excited for this hire to see how serious we are about football. This is Dolson’s second biggest hire. If we can get the new indoor facility and increase the NIL support with a great hire we’ll be cooking! 

[RaceToTheTop]

13 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I would argue that more would contribute to an NIL fund if they weren't' busy putting together $20M to get rid of the last coach.

I find it incredibly difficult to believe that a donor would be willing to spend large sums of money to make someone go away, but that same donor would not consider contributing to an NIL fund of a capital improvement effort to improve facilities - both are for the benefit of the players and the overall betterment of IU football.

$20 million donation really doesn't go as far as you would think in terms of NIL -- unless the money is renewable, it's just a short term fix.  It was noted that Sorsby was hearing numbers between $400,000 and $600,000 for programs looking at him in the portal.  Over three years that's around 1.5 million for one player.  Reports are coming out that football NIL money was doubling in its second year of being legal compared to the first.