Coach Curt Cignetti to INDIANA... Forever and Ever, Amen!

[IUHoosierJoe]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

But also wouldn't it be foolish to turn down a 3-4 million raise? He only makes 1.1 million. 

Also, especially for younger guys, have to figure in what taking the IU job and getting fired in 4-5 years does to their future earnings potential.  It’s about more than a couple million extra for 3 years to them.

[Stuhoo]

14 minutes ago, btownqb said:

If he has talent, why wouldn't he just take that to a better football school to build easier. 

I'll give you a examples:

• Nebraska by any calculation is a "better" football program than ours currently.
• So is Northwestern.

With the right salary, ability to hire assistants, and facilities upgrade commitments, I would take the IU job over the Northwestern job all day any day, and I would strongly consider IU over Nebraska because of a more patient fan base, a better location for recruiting, and a program with more potential for growth.

I'm not saying that anyone in their right mind would ever choose IU over OSU or Michigan, or for that matter Iowa, but there is an attraction with being able to be the architect, not the renovation specialist.

In 2002 Wisconsin basketball was a better job opening than Indiana. Who would have thought that was possible?!!? But it was true.

[Hoosierfan2017]

5 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Also, especially for younger guys, have to figure in what taking the IU job and getting fired in 4-5 years does to their future earnings potential.  It’s about more than a couple million extra for 3 years to them.

The inverse is true too. Take over IU, have a few years of success, and some big name programs are going to be calling your name.

Even if you get fired after, say, 5 years at IU, that’s $25 million in earnings. Kevin Wilson made $1.4 million/year as an OC at OSU after he got fired, which is more than what Candle makes now as a head coach. Unless you go full Mel Tucker there are plenty of jobs in college football that will pay a pretty penny in the event it doesn’t pan out at IU. 

[CSP]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

I'll give you an example.

• Nebraska by all accounts is a "better" football program than ours currently.
• So is Northwestern.

With the right salary, ability to hire assistants, and facilities upgrade commitments, I would take the IU job over the Northwestern job all day any day, and I would strongly consider IU over Nebraska as a more patient fan base, a better location for recruiting, and a program with more potential for growth.

so... with 3 of the absolutely major requirements it takes to even START to become a decent football, is when you'd consider it? That's a tough sell. 

I mean... yeah, if Ohio State, Michigan, and ND weren't within 700 miles of our campus I might agree it's a better location for recruiting, but until then, not a chance we have a better location than basically anyone. Although Nebraska doesn't have a great setup for recruiting either, I can see that, no one's is worse than ours.  

I don't really think it's fair to bring the ability to hire assts/facility upgrades into the equation. We've not seen evidence of that yet at all. 

[go iu bb]

25 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

People that are really good and self-confident in their abilities are that much more intrigued by a job that has tons of room for growth, especially if it's well-paid and has leadership that is willing to commit to improvement. 

For me? The predecessor for my current job was fired and the division that I took over was a complete mess. But the head of the entire organization was/is an A+ and was committed to implementing sensible changes that I had, even when the changes were a sea change. That dynamic made the job that much more attractive for me than a similar position in an already successful organization would have been.

Dolson's best way to sell the job is to play to their ego. They're the one who can do what no other has done and become a legend for doing so.

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, btownqb said:

so... with 3 of the absolutely major requirements it takes to even START to become a decent football, is when you'd consider it? That's a tough sell. 

I mean... yeah, if Ohio State, Michigan, and ND weren't within 700 miles of our campus I might agree it's a better location for recruiting, but until then, not a chance we have a better location than basically anyone. Although Nebraska doesn't have a great setup for recruiting either, I can see that, no one's is worse than ours.  

I don't really think it's fair to bring the ability to hire assts/facility upgrades into the equation. We've not seen evidence of that yet at all. 

Those three requirements?

1. Ability (a budget) to hire decent assistants
2. A commitment and shovels in the dirt for real facilities upgrades
3. A head coach salary commensurate with the B1G

For the wealthiest school in the B1G with a guaranteed stream of major tv, streaming, and conference road game revenue those three conditions are not a pipe-dream. Kansas and UNC are traditional basketball powers that have finally met those three conditions and we can too. Especially in light of our current football-centric university president. 

If we don't do those three things, we are sending a signal that we are going to continue to de-emphasize football, and we will get a head coach and program that will reflect that.

[go iu bb]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Those three requirements?

1. Ability (a budget) to hire decent assistants
2. A commitment and shovels in the dirt for real facilities upgrades
3. A head coach salary commensurate with the B1G

For the wealthiest school in the B1G with a guaranteed stream of major tv, streaming, and conference road game revenue those three conditions are not a pipe-dream. Kansas and UNC are traditional basketball powers that have finally met those three conditions and we can too. Especially in light of our current football-centric university president. 

If we don't do those three things, we are sending a signal that we are going to continue to de-emphasize football, and we will get a head coach and program that will reflect that.

Might want to add recruiting budget. IIRC, IU does not spend very much on that compared with other B1G schools. It has been several years since I've seen a list of that so it may have changed but I'm kind of doubtful.

[Hovadipo]

Just now, go iu bb said:

Might want to add recruiting budget. IIRC, IU does not spend very much on that compared with other B1G schools. It has been several years since I've seen a list of that so it may have changed but I'm kind of doubtful.

It’s not good. Lot of “doing what we can with what we got”.

[go iu bb]

Just now, Hovadipo said:

It’s not good. Lot of “doing what we can with what we got”.

From what I remember, IU spent about as much or maybe even more on basketball recruiting that football. That's insane. Basketball has 13 players. Football has 85. The football recruiting budget should be significantly more than basketball not only because of that but also because it generates much more income.

[Hoosier987]

I'm not sure what the hype is on Candle. To me, that's a settle. He literally fits the very definition or negative narrative of what  IU football would and has gone after - the "up and coming MAC coach." IMO, it's time to take the next step. We have money...and I think we need and can do better.  Leipold from Kansas would be someone I would look at...make money not an issue. 

[Henryville Hoosier]

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jon-gruden-named-big-wildcard-candidate-indiana-football-job-report   SIAP

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Hoosier987 said:

I'm not sure what the hype is on Candle. To me, that's a settle. He literally fits the very definition or narrative of what  IU football would and has gone after - the "up and coming MAC coach." IMO, it's time to take the next step. We have money...and I think we need and can do better.  Leipold from Kansas would be someone I would look at...make money not an issue. 

Ok. yeah, I'm good with that. I don't find that to be realistic, but heck yeah. 

[Hoosier987]

2 minutes ago, btownqb said:

Ok. yeah, I'm good with that. I don't find that to be realistic, but heck yeah. 

Everybody has a price. Not a better time to announce to the rest of the BIG and country that we're serious about football. 

[CSP]

Just now, Hoosier987 said:

Everybody has a price. Not a better time to announce to the rest of the BIG that we're serious about football. 

Ehh.. not if they're smart. But yeah, I think it would be a fantastic hire. 

[Chris007]

12 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/jon-gruden-named-big-wildcard-candidate-indiana-football-job-report   SIAP

You have to admit Gruden's agent is good. He sold this story to all the big-time media outlets. None of them have connections to the program so they just run with it. 

[Dave from Dayton]

 

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If you want it, here it is, come and get it
Mmh, make your mind up fast
If you want it, any time, I can give it

But you'd better hurry 'cause it may not last
Did I hear you say that there must be a catch?
Will you walk away from this school and this money?

If you want it, here it is, come and get it
But you'd better hurry 'cause it's goin' fast

 

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[Golfman25]

31 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Those three requirements?

1. Ability (a budget) to hire decent assistants
2. A commitment and shovels in the dirt for real facilities upgrades
3. A head coach salary commensurate with the B1G

For the wealthiest school in the B1G with a guaranteed stream of major tv, streaming, and conference road game revenue those three conditions are not a pipe-dream. Kansas and UNC are traditional basketball powers that have finally met those three conditions and we can too. Especially in light of our current football-centric university president. 

If we don't do those three things, we are sending a signal that we are going to continue to de-emphasize football, and we will get a head coach and program that will reflect that.

All that is great, but we need a coach that can win with the talent IU can attract.  Great players make "Great" coaches -- it's easy to win with the best talent.  

[Stuhoo]

Just now, Golfman25 said:

All that is great, but we need a coach that can win with the talent IU can attract.  Great players make "Great" coaches -- it's easy to win with the best talent.  

In the portal era we are not going to win with the talent the coach can attract, because so many of those players that turn into something good will leave once they do.

Not saying we need Ohio State level NIL and facilities, but we sure as hell need more than the current Indiana level NIL and facilities. Otherwise the Sorsbys and Dasan McCulloughs will look elsewhere far too often.

[iuthruandthru]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Name me a previous IU hire who has remotely resembled Candle's resume.

The only one with a generally similar background in the past 75 years has been Hoeppner, who was probably one of the best hires.

I’ll throw out a name that isn’t IU but was BIG, Darrell Hazell.  As for IU, they always go safe or on the cheap IMO.  Wilson to me was a great bold hire from a power school.  I want to be clear that Candle may rock it at IU but man the hire just doesn’t scream bold or flashy, something IU has never been over the past 75 years.

Everyone dreams about coach Hep but sadly he never got the chance to fully prove what he could be so I don’t think he is valid.  Mallory’s record at IU overall at IU isn’t great.  The fact our greatest coach has a career 46% win percentage tells me maybe it’s worth spending some extra cash on a proven coach if they can get one.  If not I’ll be the first to light a Candle in the wind and root him on.

[GoIU8]

20 minutes ago, iuthruandthru said:

I’ll throw out a name that isn’t IU but was BIG, Darrell Hazell.  As for IU, they always go safe or on the cheap IMO.  Wilson to me was a great bold hire from a power school.  I want to be clear that Candle may rock it at IU but man the hire just doesn’t scream bold or flashy, something IU has never been over the past 75 years.

Everyone dreams about coach Hep but sadly he never got the chance to fully prove what he could be so I don’t think he is valid.  Mallory’s record at IU overall at IU isn’t great.  The fact our greatest coach has a career 46% win percentage tells me maybe it’s worth spending some extra cash on a proven coach if they can get one.  If not I’ll be the first to light a Candle in the wind and root him on.

Yeah Hazell is an all time bad hire. But Purdue has been shopping in the MAC aisle for a long time, and they are a clear step above us. Hoeppner looked like he was gonna be really good who was a MAC HC. And before that our best coach was Bill Mallory who was, again, a MAC coach.