They Fired Tom Allen!

[Hornsby]

At Michigan next that will be like 77-6 michigan.

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[Stuhoo]

Here’s some perspective:

MSU’s program, which had a horrible even  bigger money coach in Mel Tucker, is in a significantly better place than IU.

And that’s because Tom Allen is a great guy and will never be dumped for a morals clause violation, and there’s no “team quit on you-no pay” clause in CTA’s contract.

[HoosierTrav]

Is there any possibility that IU would get kicked out of the expanding B1G? Football is king and our program has no business being in a power 5 conf. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

10 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Is there any possibility that IU would get kicked out of the expanding B1G? Football is king and our program has no business being in a power 5 conf. 

No because we guarantee a win for Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, USC and Oregon.

[Trish]

1 hour ago, Hoosier987 said:

I doubt it would ever happen…but the decent thing for Allen to do, would be resign. 

That’s a lot of money to walk away from. But.. you can’t go into next season with any hope or confidence. 

[Alford Bailey]

Not sure  there is another win on the schedule. Maybe Illinois. If this is another conference free fall Dolson has to let Allen go

 

[Alford Bailey]

41 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Is there any possibility that IU would get kicked out of the expanding B1G? Football is king and our program has no business being in a power 5 conf. 

Wouldn’t think so yet but in the future maybe? Wouldn’t be surprised if at some point we are told to get serious about football.

[Scotty R]

45 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Is there any possibility that IU would get kicked out of the expanding B1G? Football is king and our program has no business being in a power 5 conf. 

Eventually the top 30 programs will leave college football and will form their own league 

[Demo]

16 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Here’s some perspective:

MSU’s program, which had a horrible even  bigger money coach in Mel Tucker, is in a significantly better place than IU.

Because Tom Allen is a great guy and will never be dumped for a morals clause violation, and there’s no “team quit on you-no pay” clause in CTA’s contract.

Sadly, you are absolutely correct. Couple of other things: 

1) All of this talk in Hoosierland about how if CTA was any kind of decent guy he’d resign, and there’s a lot if it,  needs to just stop. A guy who’s lived his entire life competitively isn’t gonna bail. Guys like Allen are John Snow standing alone with his sword as a million dudes on horses bear down on them. That’s their wiring. And he sure as hell isn’t gonna give up 20 million bones to do it. That’s insane. None of us would and we can’t bust him for being unwilling to be 1 of 1. 
2) If Dolson’s trying to put a package together to resolve this, and I’m sure he is, he’s gonna have to be able tell the sort of people with the jack to make this happen, a) why they should do it for IU’s 2nd sport, one that’s never, ever,  been better than average, and 2) how for their investment he can guarantee them an upgrade. This ain’t IUBB, where you knew you could upgrade from Archie. You knew it. And improvement in basketball is a lot faster and easier. Any IUFB HC they hire is gonna have warts. No exceptions. And football, even with the right guy, could take 3 or 4 years to fix. So, if Dolson’s gonna ask me for 7 or 8 figures for my 2nd favorite IU sport and can’t even sell me that things will absolutely improve, I’m not sure I’m writing that check. 
3) There are no villains here. Allen’s not a POS and Dolson’s not some oblivious bureaucrat. Everyone understands the deal, but their interests don’t align. This is gonna take a while and it’s probably gonna be a mess. Somebody, somewhere, is gonna have to do something pretty damned impressive to put any kind of clean end to it. But, another 14 months of this? Jesus, you risk making your job toxic. and your fanbase catatonic.

Ok, it’s out of my system now.

Next

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

Allen found his scapegoat of the week. Just once I’d like to see him step up and shoulder the blame. 

https://x.com/crimsoncast/status/1708261423321588178?s=46&t=LoczziaTWuqlhvyvHGT92A

[cbp4iu]

Might do more harm then good if Tom Allen stays one more year. I can’t imagine people showing to games next year if he stays. 

[go iu bb]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Allen found his scapegoat of the week. Just once I’d like to see him step up and shoulder the blame. 

https://x.com/crimsoncast/status/1708261423321588178?s=46&t=LoczziaTWuqlhvyvHGT92A

This is why I don't buy the whole "great guy" perspective on him. I think it's a myth. Great guys aren't so quick to throw everyone else under the bus.

[Stuhoo]

12 minutes ago, cbp4iu said:

Might do more harm then good if Tom Allen stays one more year. I can’t imagine people showing to games next year if he stays. 

Tom Allen’s buyout is $20 million. Let’s say he’d leave early for $15 million.

Now let’s deduct the $4 million that we’d have to pay the year after for the buyout anyway. So we’re down to $11 million.

10,000 less fans per game with CTA next year X $50 per customer = $500,000. Multiplied by six home games = $3 million in lost revenue versus getting someone in that can give the fanbase hope.

So we’re down to needing to raise $8 million from benefactors as our break even point. That’s a lot, but I’m reasonably sure that Dolson has done this Kelley School style analysis and is figuring out how achievable it is.

 

[Hornsby]

Might do more harm then good if Tom Allen stays one more year. I can’t imagine people showing to games next year if he stays. 

They already really don't show up. They could not even sell out for ohio state.

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[LamarCheeks]

I can almost see it now ... 

Nov. 25: @West Lafayette -- Purdue 47, IU 12 ... Hoosiers finish season 3-9 (1-8 B1G) 

two weeks later ...
Dec. 9: @New York City -- Michael Penix walks up to the podium at the Marriott Marquis Times Square to accept the Heisman Trophy. 

[hoopsta007]

On 10/22/2022 at 4:19 PM, LamarCheeks said:

And somehow performance is never included in these contracts as “cause”

[spe317]

Honestly the most difficult part is a replacement. There’s a reason the OC is who we have. No one wanted to come in and be a part of this. 
 

The likelihood of luring someone who is able to make a difference is not great. I don’t mean “difference” as they’d be the same as current circumstances—rather an improvement to our usual 4-8. How do you lure a big name coach with the deck stacked against them? And if someone comes in and kills it, there’s no way they wouldn’t be poached when a big opening is in play.

Football is such a different animal for most of us. Small sample sizes with shorter seasons where talent is 90% and scheme is 10%. I’d be happy if the team didn’t look like it was cobbled together with mid-tier size and speed with a couple of decent players here and there. I don’t mean to trash our players either—I don’t lay the blame on them. I do question their motives in coming to play for IU sometimes…

[RoadRage]

9 hours ago, hoopsta007 said:

And somehow performance is never included in these contracts as “cause”

Looking at those buy out numbers, we have to keep Allen for one more season....does his contract say he has to be the head coach? If not, delegate him to Defensive coordinator and hire another head coach now. If he doesn't like the demotion and raises hell, fire him for insubordination!

[Hoosierfan2017]

11 hours ago, go iu bb said:

This is why I don't buy the whole "great guy" perspective on him. I think it's a myth. Great guys aren't so quick to throw everyone else under the bus.

I agree. He’s not a Mel Tucker or a Kevin Wilson. And I’ve never met the guy, so I don’t have any insight into what he’s like in private. However, the public Tom Allen is nothing to gush about. At the least his public ‘leadership’ is very questionable. 

[WhiteyMcSpeed]

7 hours ago, spe317 said:

Honestly the most difficult part is a replacement. There’s a reason the OC is who we have. No one wanted to come in and be a part of this. 
 

The likelihood of luring someone who is able to make a difference is not great. I don’t mean “difference” as they’d be the same as current circumstances—rather an improvement to our usual 4-8. How do you lure a big name coach with the deck stacked against them? And if someone comes in and kills it, there’s no way they wouldn’t be poached when a big opening is in play.

Football is such a different animal for most of us. Small sample sizes with shorter seasons where talent is 90% and scheme is 10%. I’d be happy if the team didn’t look like it was cobbled together with mid-tier size and speed with a couple of decent players here and there. I don’t mean to trash our players either—I don’t lay the blame on them. I do question their motives in coming to play for IU sometimes…

The reason we couldn’t hire a good OC was that Tom was making them keep Darren Hiller as the oline coach and by that point, coaches started to see Tom Allen was in over his head and was getting exposed as a coach. No promising young coaches want to join a sinking ship.

If we are willing to pay $5M along with a good staff budget, IU should be able to find someone. Also, it sounds like Indiana will invest in Memorial Stadium renovations and a new weight room/football facilities. The administration should be able to sell a $5M salary, continued renovations, conference stability, and point to that if you build the program correctly you can win at Indiana(Kevin Wilson/Tom Allen success) Also, the Big Ten media money increases soon and Indiana’s coach will have advantages coaches in the Big 12 and ACC do not have.