Mike Woodson to be next IUBB coach. Thad Matta to be associate AD

[Trish]

2 minutes ago, IUBBx5Banners said:

Kenyon Amare Tyson JKidd all averaged more than 20mpg. Even 35 year old Pablo played more than 1500 mins.

And they played decent minutes at various points to Camby, Sheed & Kurt Thomas, all 38 years or older. Even their weighted age per minute is top 2 oldest. 

Let’s not ignore amare coming back from microfracture surgery after Dantoni ran him into the ground.. So what’s the coaching case for playing fast cause I sure don’t see it. 

 

Minutes per game doesn't concern me as the older guys could be coming in and playing junk minutes or vs second units. 

He won't have that issue here at Indiana luckily with old farts. 

Only two players over the age of 31 played more than 20 minutes. I would argue faster pace = more modern. They were shooting 3's but not playing fast.

That's fine and all but let's see what Woodson can do in 2021 and not 2012. 

 

[HoosierRobbie]

Keeping Kenya hunter is a huge move.


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[PB1230]

8 minutes ago, pumpfake said:

Everytime someone asked him or brought it up he just flippantly said "I don't care" and down played it almost mockingly.  Same attitude and comments about Leal's tweet and his mom's.  Just typical Dakitch behavior, unfortunately.

I tend to believe this is more about Dakich trying to advocate Woodson as a solid hire, irrespective of Matta being hired or not.

I do think that Woodson will be fine with by himself with any on court practice/game coaching and all aspects of offensive and defensive schemes/strategy. Matta's biggest impact will probably be highly college specific behind the scenes stuff: managing practice/workout schedule to fit class and travel needs, allocation of time and effort on recruiting (eg who is going to what games/events), managing support staff - decisions essentially that are above the pay grade of a typical assistant. 

[iu eyedoc]

12 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Lunacy? Yeah, in my opinion.  

A 63 year old head coach giving college his first try.  No system in place to be an elite recruiter.  Players will have to just trust him because he can’t point to prior success.  
 

Ask yourself this, if any other B1G team made this hire or an equivalent hire based on all the on paper data we would fully expect it to fail.  
 

Doesn’t mean it will, and I hope it doesn’t. 

 It seems you want to create questions where there are none.

No system in place to be an elite recruiter. Just retained elite recruiter Kenya Hunter. Has access to WWW, Thad Matta, and all of his NBA connections. How is this different than had 8 yrs out of the NCAA Brad Stevens taken the job?

Players will have to just trust him because he can’t point to prior success. He took a Hawks team that finished 5th of 8 and had below a .400 winning % and increased the win total evry year he was coach resulting in back to back 2nd place finishes and peaking at a .646 % and 53 wins. The Hawks have only reached over 48 wins and a better win % once in 11 years since he was fired.

With the NYK, he took them to a 1st place finish and 54 wins in his 2nd season. That was the only 1st place finish since 1994 and hasn't been matched since he was fired.

By contrast, Brad Stevens took over a Celtics team that had finished 1st 5 of 6 seasons before he was hired and has grossly under-performed with a decreasing winning % the last 4 seasons at a current career low of .489.  Even the end of his college coaching career was down a bit from his early success.

 

Not saying I didn't want BS, because I did, but even his allure was based on success 10+ yrs ago in what was a different college game, exclude that, which seems to amount to ancient history by those crowing about Matta's 4 year absence, and you have a guy that has been a middling NBA coach that hasn't recruited in 8 yrs and missed the tourney and lost in the second rnd.

Outside of his 2 NCAA tourney runs he is a successful mid major coach that lost in the 2nd rnd, lost in the first rnd, missed the tourney, lost in the 2nd rnd.

 

Again, I certainly wanted him, but he just as easily could be a guy that has made bank based on 2 back to back Cinderella runs, his career otherwise in those 11 of 13 seasons both NCAA and NBA has been  very good to even bad any given yr.

 

 

 

[Chris007]

16 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

I tend to believe this is more about Dakich trying to advocate Woodson as a solid hire, irrespective of Matta being hired or not.

I do think that Woodson will be fine with by himself with any on court practice/game coaching and all aspects of offensive and defensive schemes/strategy. Matta's biggest impact will probably be highly college specific behind the scenes stuff: managing practice/workout schedule to fit class and travel needs, allocation of time and effort on recruiting (eg who is going to what games/events), managing support staff - decisions essentially that are above the pay grade of a typical assistant. 

Yes he said the next day he likes the Matta hire but he wanted the first day to be all about Woodson

[JJacks]

44 minutes ago, PB1230 said:

I tend to believe this is more about Dakich trying to advocate Woodson as a solid hire, irrespective of Matta being hired or not.

I do think that Woodson will be fine with by himself with any on court practice/game coaching and all aspects of offensive and defensive schemes/strategy. Matta's biggest impact will probably be highly college specific behind the scenes stuff: managing practice/workout schedule to fit class and travel needs, allocation of time and effort on recruiting (eg who is going to what games/events), managing support staff - decisions essentially that are above the pay grade of a typical assistant. 

Guessing Matta will do some of that stuff.  However, does it take a guy with that much credibility to do the traditional "Operations of Men's Basketball" type duties.  Is there going to be an "Operations of Basketball" position under Matta?    I still can't put my finger on what Matta will do that is different than the traditional position above.  It seems like we were led to believe he'll have more impact than what is being mentioned.   Ideas?  

[IU Scott]

2 hours ago, Trish said:

Basketball was different then, so I'm not taking too much of that into account. I mean.. NBA players don't shoot mid-range jumpers anymore like 2013.

The Knicks were Top 3 that year in 2013. 

His Knicks teams broke records for 3's made until GS broke them

[HoosierFan1994]

I think my favorite part of the hire is the national media hates it. They are wrong on everything so I feel good about this!

I was worried about recruiting but Dakich sold me on his ability to recruit. He was involved in NBA free agency. That is pretty much recruitment. 

[IUCrazy2]

1 hour ago, Hardwood83 said:

OK, fair enough, we don't see it the same way. 

I'm not seeing the outpouring of pessimism you mention. I've posted a few times what I thought and got my hand slapped so am mostly just waiting to see what happens. If anything it seems to be an unbridled love-fest. Either way, I'm for old IU and am glad it wasn't Alford. 

 

Honestly, I have been a "negative" poster on our past few hires.  I get it, Woodson has some questions.  In my opinion, everyone does (including the Masshole).  I think sometimes the problem ends up being when we go into something with a preconceived notion (this was a bad hire) and then we look for info to support that.  Not directed at you, but I think some people are getting stuck in negative confirmation bias.  There is some positive confirmation bias as well.  The reality is that we don't know how Woodson is going to do.  There are reasons you can point to as to why he could do well and why he may not.  The thing is, the guy has not even had his job for a week.  Has not coached a game.  The first real move I have seen so far is keeping Hunter on staff.

I don't think anyone believes that there are not some risks involved here.  There are.  What I think rankles people somewhat is that some people tend to start negative and never leave that position.  "His offense will suck..."  "Well here is what he did..."  "That was in 2013, what about now where the game has changed?"  "Well, he appeared to be ahead of that curve."  "Yeah, almost 10 years ago..."  No offense to that poster, but that is just shooting down actual facts with what ifs because you are not a fan of the hire.

We just married our wife.  You may think she sucks and you may be right at some point down the line.  Just read the room, saying she sucks when we are in Hawaii celebrating a new marriage maybe is not the best time.

[RaceToTheTop]

Just thinking.....often hear people say they are cautiously optimistic about someone getting hired, but I've never heard anyone say that they are 'cautiously pessimistic'.  Why so many degrees of optimism but only one degree of pessimism?

Pessimism, I feel sorry for you.....you're way too pigeon holed.

[IU Prof]

9 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

Just thinking.....often hear people say they are cautiously optimistic about someone getting hired, but I've never heard anyone say that they are 'cautiously pessimistic'.  Why so many degrees of optimism but only one degree of pessimism?

Pessimism, I feel sorry for you.....you're way too pigeon holed.

Ha! I'd actually say that cautiously pessimistic is where I'm at right now with the hire!

[bleedhoosier]

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

[Hoosierinbham]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think my favorite part of the hire is the national media hates it. They are wrong on everything so I feel good about this!

I was worried about recruiting but Dakich sold me on his ability to recruit. He was involved in NBA free agency. That is pretty much recruitment. 

I would agree and even contend NBA free agency is even more like recruiting the transfer portal, which is growing in importance.   Those kids and their parents have already been through the recruiting process once, and should be more savvy toward false promises, and looking for authenticity in relationships. 

[HoosierCoop]

I know that someone said it in these 113 pages but I'm glad to see that IU is finally investing and building a P5 conference basketball program.  Bringing in operations experts, collaborating true basketball experience, and bringing back IU basketball as it should be.

No more changing IU basketball to Dayton basketball or Marquette basketball.  We had at one time a brand, a culture, and a Identity which is dying to come out again.

To be dramatic, it's good to feel the sun shine on my face again with this basketball program.

[HoosierCoop]

I don't want to dwell on "what could've been's" but I feel if this staff was in place a few months earlier, we would see Kaufman, Mohammed, and Logan suiting up in stripes.  Damn, that would've felt good!

[CSP]

29 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

I don't want my life to be "not miserable." 

[Jeff Flabjohns]

40 minutes ago, bleedhoosier said:

Optimism doesn't equate to being correct.

Realism is often mistaken for pessimism.

Life isn't miserable as a non optimist. 

Thats it, that's my haiku

A haiku, that's not

Far from it if I'm honest

Better luck next time

[bleedhoosier]

Haha, I was hoping someone would feel the need to correct my non haiku

[SteelerHoosier]

10 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Money was for one person and one person only. He was not let out of his contract. We did the next best thing to unite this fan base. Which has happened for the most part, except for a few people. 

So Boston wouldn't cooperate? 

[Trish]

 

marketing the hell of Woodson!