Jet812 Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Hoosier Guy said: What if we’re all being duped? Maybe it’s still in the cards lol. Who knows man I don’t see how he can walk back those comments or convince anyone he really wants to be here after that presser. Quite honestly, if he gets fired & ends up here, it’ll feel like it’s only because he has to be & every time another NBA job opens up we’ll be looking over our shoulder. Time to move on... cybergates 1
SteelerHoosier Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job. We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it. Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too. They want it shared, unless they say otherwise What did your source say about the denial and why did Brad's actual denial make you feel different? cybergates 1
Honkyman Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 The idea that Brad Stevens would leave the Boston Celtics--one of the two most stories NBA franchises ever-- to come coach a struggling, mismanaged IU basketball program in 2021 is so preposterous that it is amazing to me that anyone believed the "rumor." Fans got so locked in because they wanted to believe it. It is a classic case of setting themselves up for disappointment based on no tangible evidence. There are other excellent coaches and hopefully IU will land one of them. Bowhunter, Hoosierfan2017, T White and 1 other 4
Dave from Dayton Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, SteelerHoosier said: Still heart broken. Really hope there is a good hire out there. Just not as high as everyone else is on some of the other names on the list. Only thing that gives me a shred of hope is that Dolson is not using a search firm. Just not a big fan of those when we're talking about a type of job like IU is supposed to be I hear what you are saying about search firms. However, they only do what they are contracted to do. One may think that they take the place of the school in all decisions. That is likely not typical use of such firms. Some may just negotiate after the AD tells them the single candidate. For instance, behind the scenes contact to inquire levels of interest. Some may vet one or more candidates. Some may have other challenges and duties assigned. None of them would likely make any selection. They simply make recommendations and justify them to the AD. I have no problem with IU using professional services to augment the AD and his staff in performing such duties. The responsibility for doing the search, background vetting, culling and selection is still the responsibility of the AD. T White 1
IU Prof Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 22 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: And we would all change our minds today, tomorrow, or in June if he changed his mind. Yes and no. I'd still hire him because he's the best candidate for the job. But I lost a lot of respect for the guy with that performance at the press conference. So I'd be much less enthused about it today than I would have been yesterday. If he views himself as a ma$$hole, I have no reason to root for his success anywhere other than IU. cybergates and MikeRoberts 2
RaceToTheTop Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Honkyman said: The idea that Brad Stevens would leave the Boston Celtics--one of the two most stories NBA franchises ever-- to come coach a struggling, mismanaged IU basketball program in 2021 is so preposterous that it is amazing to me that anyone believed the "rumor." Fans got so locked in because they wanted to believe it. It is a classic case of setting themselves up for disappointment based on no tangible evidence. There are other excellent coaches and hopefully IU will land one of them. You do realize that the Celtics have one title in the past 34 years? jonz44, cybergates, Banksyrules and 2 others 5
SteelerHoosier Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 10 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said: I hear what you are saying about search firms. However, they only do what they are contracted to do. One may think that they take the place of the school in all decisions. That is likely not typical use of such firms. Some may just negotiate after the AD tells them the single candidate. For instance, behind the scenes contact to inquire levels of interest. Some may vet one or more candidates. Some may have other challenges and duties assigned. None of them would likely make any selection. They simply make recommendations and justify them to the AD. I have no problem with IU using professional services to augment the AD and his staff in performing such duties. The responsibility for doing the search, background vetting, culling and selection is still the responsibility of the AD. I'm fine with the auxiliary services that come with a firm. I don't like the idea of the firm creating a short list. Which I feel has been the case in the past.
Popular Post Class of '66 Old Fart Posted March 20, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 20, 2021 A little more salve for our wounds from a FB poster. Congratulations to the Purdue Boilermakers on their 82nd consecutive year of not winning an NCAA National Championship!! Even IU has not been able to achieve such greatness!!! North Texas "MEAN GREEN", thank you Dave from Dayton, pumpfake, kottke and 11 others 6 1 7
Dave from Dayton Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, Honkyman said: The idea that Brad Stevens would leave the Boston Celtics--one of the two most stories NBA franchises ever-- to come coach a struggling, mismanaged IU basketball program in 2021 is so preposterous that it is amazing to me that anyone believed the "rumor." Fans got so locked in because they wanted to believe it. It is a classic case of setting themselves up for disappointment based on no tangible evidence. There are other excellent coaches and hopefully IU will land one of them. The idea and possibility that Brad Stevens would leave the Celtics to come to Indiana is not thought to be preposterous by more than a few fans. I perceived that it was possible. I believed that it was possible. Here are a few reasons why. There are instances of coaches and players leaving the pros and going to universities to coach. Brad Stevens gave what could be interpreted as a non-denial denial earlier this week. I have lived in CT and VA and Madison WI and visited 47 states in the USA and I love the midwest. Indiana University basketball may have been mismanaged for 25 years but if one really understands one's boss (the AD) then that says a lot and can overcome the baggage of the previous ADs and IU mismanagement. I do not fall for conspiracies. I do not chase rumors. I say show me. I am a professional engineer with a business/finance degree and I think that Brad Stevens was likely approached by Dolson or someone representing him. Brad Stevens may have indicated some interest in the job. The negotiations had taken place. Stevens, since has declined to contract for the IUHC position. Seems plausible to me. Yeah, there were a lot of rumors floating around. Too numerous to count... Seemed there were 3 halfway decent and somewhat reliable sources. I wouldn't have bet a dollar on it. But it was possible. jonz44 1
HoosierAloha Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job. We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it. Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too. They want it shared, unless they say otherwise First, I'm not doubting your sources or what they believe, know, or have heard. The IU fan base, because our fanaticism, is quick to believe any positive news. There has been people who have made a living from it. Whenever something like this happens, I always question who benefits from it? Who would be looked at in a better light if the rumors are, in fact, true that we almost had Brad Stevens? The next question is what would they gain? I believe if one steps back from this situation and can answer those two questions what happened the last handful of days makes a lot more sense.
ziggyiu Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said: Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job. We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it. Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too. They want it shared, unless they say otherwise What have your sources said regarding Brad's statement yesterday? DylanBeach33 and Bowhunter 2
Bowhunter Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job. We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it. Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too. They want it shared, unless they say otherwiseI’m fine with saying we have the money raised and Brad just turned us down. Thats a big difference then saying we have the money to ask him and we asked him and he said yes. The other stuff that alway gets added after a done deal is mentioned and then it doesn’t work out, is the hardest stuff to comprehend. Billy Donovan was in Bloomington, he’s our next coach. Now He has changed his mind cause of this or that reason. Brad Stevens got a raise because we offered him a certain amount ,which means he was coming home but changed his mine, when he was offered more money by the Celtics . The recruiting misses sting when we are told by insiders they are coming ,especially Kaufman of late, but it’s not as big of a deal because we can get go out and get another good recruit. There is only one Brad Stevens. We can turn on him because it makes us feel better that he never wanted to leave Boston. IMO it’s not his fault we wouldn’t listen to him when he was trying to tell us he was happy there. T White and BGleas 2
IUCrazy2 Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said: First, I'm not doubting your sources or what they believe, know, or have heard. The IU fan base, because our fanaticism, is quick to believe any positive news. There has been people who have made a living from it. Whenever something like this happens, I always question who benefits from it? Who would be looked at in a better light if the rumors are, in fact, true that we almost had Brad Stevens? The next question is what would they gain? I believe if one steps back from this situation and can answer those two questions what happened the last handful of days makes a lot more sense. From my view nobody at IU gained. Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people. If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth. The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner. They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now. Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet. To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver. "Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?" "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...." And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez.
FritzIam4IU Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: From my view nobody at IU gained. Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people. If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth. The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner. They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now. Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet. To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver. "Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?" "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...." And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez. You're making me hungry with that post. IUCrazy2, FWHoosier84, Dave from Dayton and 1 other 1 3
pumpfake Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 2 hours ago, bigrod said: The older I get, the less I care about what others think and say. You really can’t control it anyway. It’s very freeing. When I was young I used to make fun of older guys for things like wearing black socks with shorts - that kind of thing. Now I realize they just did what they wanted, or were usedto and didn't give a "tinker's damn" what anyone thought. Now I'm in my sixties and fully understand (and embrace) that mindset. It is indeed very liberating. DWB, go iu bb, Ranger78 and 3 others 6
AZ Hoosier Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said: From my view nobody at IU gained. Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people. If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth. The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner. They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now. Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet. To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver. "Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?" "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...." And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez. I get the disappointment. I even buy the analogy... but it sounds like you're miffed that those with connections "did not deliver". It was not up to them (folks like @IUwins0708 and @Chris007, who I am sure don't need me to defend them or their actions)... they can only tell what they are told... AFAIK, none of those guys were involved in any of the negotiations, nor were they "contacts" with Stevens or his people... sure, THEY didn't deliver... but they had as much control over the outcome as you or I did - NADA. ZILCH. BUPKIS. Yeah, it sucks, and we're all disappointed... and maybe a little angry, and it stung a little. Ok, it stung a lot. But I looked out the window this morning and saw that big yellow ball rising over the eastern horizon, so I have no worries. We will survive this. We're Hoosiers. That's what we do. FWHoosier84, Ranger78, Hippopotamo and 2 others 5
CS2 Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 28 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said: The idea and possibility that Brad Stevens would leave the Celtics to come to Indiana is not thought to be preposterous by more than a few fans. I perceived that it was possible. I believed that it was possible. Here are a few reasons why. There are instances of coaches and players leaving the pros and going to universities to coach. Brad Stevens gave what could be interpreted as a non-denial denial earlier this week. I have lived in CT and VA and Madison WI and visited 47 states in the USA and I love the midwest. Indiana University basketball may have been mismanaged for 25 years but if one really understands one's boss (the AD) then that says a lot and can overcome the baggage of the previous ADs and IU mismanagement. I do not fall for conspiracies. I do not chase rumors. I say show me. I am a professional engineer with a business/finance degree and I think that Brad Stevens was likely approached by Dolson or someone representing him. Brad Stevens may have indicated some interest in the job. The negotiations had taken place. Stevens, since has declined to contract for the IUHC position. Seems plausible to me. Yeah, there were a lot of rumors floating around. Too numerous to count... Seemed there were 3 halfway decent and somewhat reliable sources. I wouldn't have bet a dollar on it. But it was possible. IMO, and i do not have this as fact...Dolson had positive feedback from the Stevens camp prior to making the cash calls. I suspect both Donors 1 and 2 are not thrilled right now. Bowhunter and Dave from Dayton 2
pumpfake Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, brumdog45 said: You do realize that the Celtics have one title in the past 34 years? And if I recall correctly it was due n large part because one of their legedary players (Mchale) allowed them to fleece the team he was working for to get a pivotal superstar (Garnet). FWHoosier84 1
IU - Kaulie Posted March 20, 2021 Posted March 20, 2021 I’m over it. He’s not coming. Fine. Whatever. What he said just still seems so strange to me though. Maybe I need a guys perspective. Are there any guys here that were born here that are in their mid 40’s that have been big IU fans and have seen the things he has that would turn in their Hoosier card to be a Masshole and go from being a Colts fan to Patriots fan?
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