Candidate Thread: Brad Stevens (Boston Celtics)

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

37 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said:

Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job.  We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it.  Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too.  They want it shared, unless they say otherwise

First, I'm not doubting your sources or what they believe, know, or have heard.  The IU fan base, because our fanaticism, is quick to believe any positive news.  There has been people who have made a living from it.  Whenever something like this happens, I always question who benefits from it?  Who would be looked at in a better light if the rumors are, in fact, true that we almost had Brad Stevens?  The next question is what would they gain?  I believe if one steps back from this situation and can answer those two questions what happened the last handful of days makes a lot more sense.

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46 minutes ago, IUwins0708 said:

Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job.  We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it.  Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too.  They want it shared, unless they say otherwise

What have your sources said regarding Brad's statement yesterday? 

[BayernFan 25]

Be glad IU dodged this bullet.  

[Bowhunter 2,694]

Really, who cares if we took a hit with our credibility??? We aren’t news reporters, this isn’t our job.  We are guys on a message boards with some good connections that can and have been wrong. If my sources (they haven’t just so everyone knows) sent me a message and said this is all a smoke screen to fan the flames then I’d share it.  Only time I don’t share it is when I’m asked not too.  They want it shared, unless they say otherwise

I’m fine with saying we have the money raised and Brad just turned us down.

Thats a big difference then saying we have the money to ask him and we asked him and he said yes.

 

The other stuff that alway gets added after a done deal is mentioned and then it doesn’t work out, is the hardest stuff to comprehend. Billy Donovan was in Bloomington, he’s our next coach. Now He has changed his mind cause of this or that reason. Brad Stevens got a raise because we offered him a certain amount ,which means he was coming home but changed his mine, when he was offered more money by the Celtics .

The recruiting misses sting when we are told by insiders they are coming ,especially Kaufman of late, but it’s not as big of a deal because we can get go out and get another good recruit.

 

There is only one Brad Stevens.

 

We can turn on him because it makes us feel better that he never wanted to leave Boston. IMO it’s not his fault we wouldn’t listen to him when he was trying to tell us he was happy there.

 

 

 

 

[IUCrazy2 2,446]

1 minute ago, HoosierAloha said:

First, I'm not doubting your sources or what they believe, know, or have heard.  The IU fan base, because our fanaticism, is quick to believe any positive news.  There has been people who have made a living from it.  Whenever something like this happens, I always question who benefits from it?  Who would be looked at in a better light if the rumors are, in fact, true that we almost had Brad Stevens?  The next question is what would they gain?  I believe if one steps back from this situation and can answer those two questions what happened the last handful of days makes a lot more sense.

From my view nobody at IU gained.  Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people.

If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth.  The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner.  They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now.  Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet.  To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver.

"Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?"  "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...."

And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez.

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2 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

From my view nobody at IU gained.  Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people.

If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth.  The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner.  They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now.  Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet.  To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver.

"Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?"  "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...."

And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez.

You're making me hungry with that post.

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2 hours ago, bigrod said:

The older I get, the less I care about what others think and say. You really can’t control it anyway. It’s very freeing.

When I was young I used to make fun of older guys for things like wearing black socks with shorts - that kind of thing.  Now I realize they just did what they wanted, or were usedto and didn't give a "tinker's damn" what anyone thought.  Now I'm in my sixties and fully understand (and embrace) that mindset.  It is indeed very liberating.

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55 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

From my view nobody at IU gained.  Seriously, with those rumors swirling around it throws a big damper on whomever they bring in here now for quite a few people.

If you are inferring that Dolson gained, I would say that nothing could be further from the truth.  The school had their people saying they had filet mignon for dinner.  They are going to be bringing in a strip steak at best now.  Nothing wrong with a strip steak, but it isn't a filet.  To me, this was horrible for Dolson to be so close that you have people leaking done deal and now you did not deliver.

"Hey, this strip steak is great isn't it?"  "Yeah, it is good, but it isn't filet mignon...."

And if he lands on a great cheeseburger instead of a steak....geez.

I get the disappointment. I even buy the analogy... but it sounds like you're miffed that those with connections "did not deliver". It was not up to them (folks like @IUwins0708 and @Chris007, who I am sure don't need me to defend them or their actions)... they can only tell what they are told... AFAIK, none of those guys were involved in any of the negotiations, nor were they "contacts" with Stevens or his people... sure, THEY didn't deliver... but they had as much control over the outcome as you or I did - NADA. ZILCH. BUPKIS.

Yeah, it sucks, and we're all disappointed... and maybe a little angry, and it stung a little. Ok, it stung a lot. But I looked out the window this morning and saw that big yellow ball rising over the eastern horizon, so I have no worries. We will survive this. We're Hoosiers. That's what we do.

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28 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

The idea and possibility that Brad Stevens would leave the Celtics to come to Indiana is not thought to be preposterous by more than a few fans.  I perceived that it was possible.  I believed that it was possible.  Here are a few reasons why.

There are instances of coaches and players leaving the pros and going to universities to coach. Brad Stevens gave what could be interpreted as a non-denial denial earlier this week.  I have lived in CT and VA and Madison WI and visited 47 states in the USA and I love the midwest.  Indiana University basketball may have been mismanaged for 25 years but if one really understands one's boss (the AD) then that says a lot and can overcome the baggage of the previous ADs and IU mismanagement. 

I do not fall for conspiracies.  I do not chase rumors.  I say show me.  I am a professional engineer with a business/finance degree and I think that Brad Stevens was likely approached by Dolson or someone representing him.  Brad Stevens may have indicated some interest in the job.  The negotiations had taken place.  Stevens, since has declined to contract for the IUHC position.   Seems plausible to me.

Yeah, there were a lot of rumors floating around.  Too numerous to count...

Seemed there were 3 halfway decent and somewhat reliable sources.  I wouldn't have bet a dollar on it.  But it was possible.

IMO, and i do not have this as fact...Dolson had positive feedback from the Stevens camp prior to making the cash calls.  I suspect both Donors 1 and 2 are not thrilled right now.

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37 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

You do realize that the Celtics have one title in the past 34 years?

And if I recall correctly it was due n large part because one of their legedary players (Mchale) allowed them to fleece the team he was working for to get a pivotal superstar (Garnet).

[IU - Kaulie 1,891]

I’m over it.  He’s not coming.  Fine.  Whatever.  What he said just still seems so strange to me though.  Maybe I need a guys perspective.  Are there any guys here that were born here that are in their mid 40’s that have been big IU fans and have seen the things he has that would turn in their Hoosier card to be a Masshole and go from being a Colts fan to Patriots fan?

[Trish 11,622]

I got word that it looked promising during the meetings. 
 

Scott and the donors have to be devastated. We may be screwed. We may have fired Archie too soon. 

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2 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I got word that it looked promising during the meetings. 
 

Scott and the donors have to be devastated. We may be screwed. We may have fired Archie too soon. 

Let Mike Roberts coach this season restart the process next year... I kid... Kinda. Why Brad why!!! Tears 

[Banksyrules 4,820]

So is it ok for me to be petty? Being a New Yorker I know the grief he’ll get if he doesn’t turn it around. I’m like gooooooooood

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9 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I got word that it looked promising during the meetings. 
 

Scott and the donors have to be devastated. We may be screwed. We may have fired Archie too soon. 

IF I were the donor being asked to cut a $10mm check I would have wanted more than “promising”.  I would have wanted a signed agreement.  

[Trish 11,622]

Just now, IUCane said:

IF I were the donor being asked to cut a $10mm check I would have wanted more than “promising”.  I would have wanted a signed agreement.  

Me too. Who knows what the donor has agreed too. Maybe it’s a true donation and just wanted to burn some money while getting great perks for Iu Football and basketball. 

[Magnanimous 4,614]

I don’t totally get Stevens trying to placate the Southie crowd with his Masshole comment and SNL-level stereotypes. The guy has an accent befitting the stock boy of a Terre Haute Kroger, and it’s those same Massholes that want him fired.

[hoosierbgh 1,264]

2 hours ago, Ranger78 said:

People have lost credibility at work. 

Some are pissed at the insiders for sharing information.

Some Goodman guy is an asshat ...

IU basketball is doomed.

Nobody outside of BS can coach or wants to come to IU.

 

You missed the couple of people constantly spamming for Steve Alford or another IU guy but otherwise an excellent summary. 

[Golfman25 5,516]

look guys, the only one who matters regarding a "done deal" is Brad Stevens.  He is in total control.  He could have told Donolson that the deal was done, and when he went to quit, things changed.  They often do.  So it could be entirely true that we had a "done deal" and that Stevens backed out after it was done.  IF that happened, the only credibility loss is on Stevens.  And for those that asked, you can substitute Bill D if he also indicated the deal was done.  

Those of us old enough to remember the hapless Chicago Bears many years ago (1999).  They had "hired" Dave McGinnis from the AZ Cardinals.  It was announced, press conference scheduled, and they even changed his voice message.  And then it didn't happen -- the guy walked at the last minute over a salary dispute.  So these things happen -- candidates flake out sometimes.  

[Dave from Dayton 3,257]

30 minutes ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I’m over it.  He’s not coming.  Fine.  Whatever.  What he said just still seems so strange to me though.  Maybe I need a guys perspective.  Are there any guys here that were born here that are in their mid 40’s that have been big IU fans and have seen the things he has that would turn in their Hoosier card to be a Masshole and go from being a Colts fan to Patriots fan?

I am a huge IU basketball fan.  After graduation from IU, I went to Madison Wisconsin and worked for a few years.  Then took engineering at UW-Madison.  Followed IU basketball and football and cheered for IU!  Always have, always will.  But, I cheered for UW football and hockey, too.  Had season tickets to both. When going head to head with IU I always cheer for IU.

I cheer for the Packers, too.

Then went to Dayton Ohio for a job.  Cheer on University of Dayton basketball and Wright State.  Daughters went to Bowling Green State north of here while Dakich was coach.  That is another story.

When I was 19 and after freshman year at IU-B, I joined the Navy.  From Chicago boot, and CT and VA and up and down the east coast and overseas, I followed IU basketball.  And watched with interest Duke, NC, NC St., CT etc. Even went to a Nebraska vs Army game at West Point.   Fun until kickoff.  Final score Nebraska 77 - 7.

Have family that went to Harvard. One is a teacher in Princeton NJ. 

I do not cheer for the Patriots.  I can understand that people that have lived up there in Boston could get excited for that franchise.   U Mass, too.

Brad Stevens is gaining life experiences and changing.  I can understand why he would adopt and begin to love to follow new sports teams.  Doesn't seem strange to me.

I follow the Bengals and the Reds.  Not too exciting recently.  I watch the Colts but not serious about them.  They started after I left Indiana.  Used to watch St. Louis Cardinals.  Pro sports is ok.  College sports is crazy!  I cheer for all B1G teams except Purdon't.

Doesn't mean that he is cutting off ties and forgetting his roots either.  He kind of said that.

 

Edited March 20, 2021 by Dave from Dayton