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[WRSMick55 110]

3 hours ago, Hornsby said:

Before you crown dolson the next coming maybe wait and see how this fall goes in football. The schedule is tougher and your basing if all on one season.

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And likewise, before anyone crowns May the next coming maybe see how his future falls in the next couple years. 

[Chris007 53,842]

4 minutes ago, 8bucks said:

Can you expand on things that happened last off-season?

Dusty came to town last offseason to see family and he came to campus for a visit. I’ll leave it at that. It doesn’t really matter since he signed the extension.

[RoadRage 2,689]

14 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I tried this the other day with comparing McCollum to some other candidate:

Other than "being really good in D2" name one category that McCollum is better than Devries from the following:

• P5 experience and wins
• D1 high school recruiting success
• D1 portal recruiting success
• Agent interaction
• Big alumni base, and big organization success
• Mentoring and mentored by top tier coaches
• Success of teams against top tier coaches
• Wins
• NCAA wins
• Developing players for the next level
• Playing or assisting at a D1 or P5 program
• Wins against ranked teams
• Winning with a new roster/roster turnover
• Modern offense

So I'm naming 15 categories. I'll readily concede that McCollum is better in one: D2 success. Devries is better in the other 14.

I do like DeVries better than Cronin, which is the guy you were using a few days ago to put down McCollum…..:-)

[Home Jersey 12,105]

9 minutes ago, RoadToZion said:

Sam loves to listen to himself talk. That’s all I have for now. 

Pretty sure he has an account here and drops in periodically when his name is mentioned lol. I smell another boxing match Netflix special brewing… IUBB “insiders” edition…

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29 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

One observation I’ve made and it’s probably because of 4 years ago but when someone makes a Stevens is out post like Sam made earlier it believed a lot more than when RTZ makes a Stevens to IU post. RTZ has been right many more times than Sam in recent years. Sam had most of his info during the Crean years. 
 

Also on a side note my DM’s pick way up with the Stevens not coming than the Stevens is coming. 
 

Just some quick thoughts.

My BMs do the same thing.

[Ctf9 126]

39 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I do like DeVries... but hope Dolson doesn't fall that far... I did find his contract details online... buyout is just under $1.1M.

source: https://voiceofmotown.com/darian-devries-wvu-contract-details-released/

Nice find! But I think the 37.5 percent is of the total remaining contract—so $4.5 million for the four years, which is doable, but I’d rather put that money toward Otz. 

Edited yesterday at 06:46 PM by Ctf9

[Chris007 53,842]

5 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Pretty sure he has an account here and drops in periodically when his name is mentioned lol. I smell another boxing match Netflix special brewing… IUBB “insiders” edition…

Well you better pick your team and I’m watching.

[Hardwood83 4,826]

I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

[AZ Hoosier 9,223]

2 minutes ago, Ctf9 said:

Nice find! But I think the 37.5 percent is of the total remaining contract—so $4.5 million for the four years, which is doable, but I’d rather put that money toward Otz. 

My bad... I calculated it for one year... good catch.

[HoosierInParadise 894]

I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?
He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    
 

You're right...perfection doesn't exist. There are pros and cons to everyone. I personally feel that the issues you bring up are cert minimal when compared to everything else he brings.

[DougJr74 118]

Here's how I look at it. A few people on this thread have sources and they are kind enough to share with the rest of us. I appreciate them. The rest of us just state our opinion. Some of you need to quit being haters. It's easy for me to get thorough the pages because I skip over most of your comments. I look for the names that have real information. Sorry not Sorry.

[Hoosierfan2017 23,222]

10 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

An added bonus is Tucker comes with the head coach.  A fully healthy Tucker on your team is a really good thing.  DeVries would do well at IU in my opinion 

You’ve said this before, but I think there’s a fairly long list of guys who could do pretty well here in the current NIL atmosphere. Mike Woodson basically ignored a large percentage of his job responsibilities, largely gave up recruiting outside of the portal, was a very mediocre in-game coach, and the bottom still didn’t completely fall out underneath him. We don’t need a star, I don’t think. With the millions of dollars our donors are willing to spend, we need competence and work ethic.  

[Hoosierfan1901 7,057]

32 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I feel better after reading that.

Judging by their boards, their fans didn’t even sniff of an extension at all, they definitely thought of an extra year, but not a contract extension 

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1 minute ago, Hardwood83 said:

I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

When you make a title game from the Horizon league in back to back years, you get benefit of the doubt. Taking your question seriously; I don't know what people would say comparing him as a tactician to Rick Pitino. But if Stevens coached at IU he would immediately be the best or second best coach in the country. 

He made 3 Eastern Conference Finals, and would have made the NBA Finals on that second trip, if not for losing Hayward and Kyrie Irving. Took LeBron to 7 games without his two best players. 

Open to pushback. Think there is no one IU could get who would be as good of a coach.

 

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34 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

This is a Pat Kelsey/Mark Pope kind of hire than can work out.

Odds are one (or both) of those coaches will be fired within the next 5-10 years.

Not because they’ll fail or that they’re bad coaches. But the expectations are those programs (especially Kentucky) is to be perennial conference and national title contenders. One of the advantages also of being a first-year head coach, with a revamped roster and updated system to match the new personnel, is that there’s not much tape out on you yet. It’s one of the reasons Indiana football was so successful this season (among many other reasons).

My point simply being, those hires are still too early to call successful. And personally I’m more inclined to call the Kelsey hire successful, as Kentucky is currently 18-9 (7-7) and on a downward trend. If that was Calipari, fans would be irate, but since it’s Pope they’re still in the honeymoon phase.

I don’t see much point getting caught up in comparisons anyways. Those two coaches are very different from the guys we’re (supposedly) pursuing right now, and IU is a much different program than those two.

[IUHoosierJoe 1,770]

7 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

For the first 31 years of his life, he hadn’t been a head coach at all.  It seems he did pretty well regardless.

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Last time Steven’s put out his Masshole direct statement that he would not be coming. He has not done that this time and until he does, I will continue to believe that it is him. Certainly he knows there is discussion about him coming. If he 100% wanted that to end, he could release a direct statement and end the speculation. I would suggest it’s significant that he has chosen not to do that.

Edited yesterday at 07:00 PM by bodsbums

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27 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

We need to remember he was maybe the 5th preferred candidate after Louisville struck out and had to scramble a little. The same thing happened at Kentucky and they are having success so far as well. Resume, preparedness, and fit can all line up in strange ways. Like maybe if Tom Crean was at UCLA and Steve Alford were at Indiana, the fit works out for both of them when maybe they aren't great coaches at other places (complete made up hypothetical don't kill me for Tom Crean and Steve Alford references.) Maybe Cronin can kill it here but someone like Scott Drew can't. It doesn't always work out like on paper or internet message boards.

But should he have been 5th with what we're witnessing out of them this season? 

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3 minutes ago, JustWinBaby said:

Odds are one (or both) of those coaches will be fired within the next 5-10 years.

Not because they’ll fail or that they’re bad coaches. But the expectations are those programs (especially Kentucky) is to be perennial conference and national title contenders. One of the advantages also of being a first-year head coach, with a revamped roster and updated system to match the new personnel, is that there’s not much tape out on you yet. It’s one of the reasons Indiana football was so successful this season (among many other reasons).

My point simply being, those hires are still too early to call successful. And personally I’m more inclined to call the Kelsey hire successful, as Kentucky is currently 18-9 (7-7) and on a downward trend. If that was Calipari, fans would be irate, but since it’s Pope they’re still in the honeymoon phase.

I don’t see much point getting caught up in comparisons anyways. Those two coaches are very different from the guys we’re (supposedly) pursuing right now, and IU is a much different program than those two.

Some of that I agree with, but Kentucky has been decimated by injuries which is causing their slide, not coaching.

[68Hoosier 1,009]

10 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

I do have a sincere question for discussion. We’ve been so engrossed with “IF” Stevens will be the coach, not much thought seems to have gone into “should” he be the coach. It’s just been axiomatic that ‘of course Brad is the best coach alive!’, but…. Is he?

He hasn’t coached in the NCAA in over 10yrs. Pre conference merger mania, pre NIL, pre transfer portal. It’s a whole new world from his quaint Horizon league days at Butler community college.  He hasn’t even coached at all in the last four years. He won in the NBA, but never made the finals, let alone won them.  Clearly, he’s a sharp guy that knows a ton about basketball, does that translate to the best possible option for IUBB?    

 

I was asking the same question earlier.  I think he brings a lot to the table, but he has been away from some time now and things have changed considerably since he last coached in college.  I was just wander how long does he get to prove himself if he is the guy.  Do we expect results in year 1 and what is acceptable in his first 3 to 4 years.