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12 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said:

Here we go again with the pace argument….. pace is not a determinant of success in college basketball. It’s not. Efficiency is. 
 

If McCollums ceiling is Tony Bennett then sign me up. Thanks for proving my point that McCollums ceiling is higher than Cronin’s. 
 

And your comment that he was “buried in D2 without sniffing D1 until recently” is absurd and shows your ignorance towards the matter.  He was approached multiple times by D1 schools and was selective in choosing Drake. He wasn’t buried in D2….. he completely dominated it. 

So McCollums teams play slow, Bennett's teams play slow, therefore McCollum's ceiling is Tony Bennett? You are basing that off of nothing. Yes, what he did at the D2 level is impressive. That means jack squat when it comes to succeeding at the highest level of college basketball.

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26 minutes ago, bobknightsghost said:

Tom crean got fired one year removed from a big ten championship and a sweet sixteen for having a season like Cronin had last year

Crean got fired for more reasons than wins and losses.  missing out on 5 top 100 Indiana kids in 1 recruiting cycle will speed up the process.    Lose the state of Indiana high school coaches and your not going to last long as the IU head coach.  

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3 minutes ago, bobknightsghost said:

I never said they weren’t. I was arguing that he would produce similar results to Tom crean. And someone said he would be better than that. Tom crean got fired one year removed from a big ten championship and a sweet sixteen for having a season like Cronin had last year. If crean wasn’t good enough, don’t hire Cronin.

I've tried saying that before. People go "I'd love to have Matt Painter as coach". Brother, we would have fired him after flaming out early with the Hummel era teams and followed it up with multiple bad years.

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8 minutes ago, Uspshoosier said:

Coaches are allowed to have bad years

No doubt. But this is worse than any mike Woodson year. In addition to that, his comments about the fans booing the other night should raise major red flags. This is one of the issues we’ve complained about with Mike Woodson. The true fans fiasco. Cronin, imho, is an awful fit for the IU job. I think he’s a good coach. I don’t think he’d be good here. 

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6 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Why would Cronin produce similar results to Crean when he hasn’t for the past 15 years? Crean’s last four years at IU he went 17-15, 20-14, 27-8, and 18-16. Cronin has lost more than 12 games in a season once in the last 15 seasons. I guess he’s Crean if you make Crean’s bad seasons better and his good seasons just as good or better. 

Tom Crean - 1 FF, 4 Sweet Sixteen Appearances, 3 Conference Titles, 11-9 record in the NCAA tournament

mick Cronin - 1 FF, 4 Sweet Sixteen Appearances, 4 conference titles, 15-14 record in the NCAA tournament

very similar resumes

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Stop overthinking it guys. As I’m sitting here I’m cracking up at all the hand-wringing, arguing, name calling. What’s even funnier though, will be all the “I love you man,” and “hey, sorry man I’m just a passionate Hoosier fan,” and apologizing that will take place in a very short period of time, gonna be a lot of happy times, and winning, ahead. You guys are awesome. Settle down though, and enjoy your weekend, Scotty D is a legend.
This post made me realize I owe iueyedoc a apology. My post yesterday was rude. I am tired of beard getting crapped on and took it out on him. Now let's get stevens

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Will say that the last week has gone nicely, comparing the merits of Cronin and Drew and arguing about Chris Beard. Am happy to continue that, and wait to be surprised if someone else emerges. Don't know if I can handle muted optimism leaking from the board into the Twitter-space again. 

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9 minutes ago, VFury said:

So McCollums teams play slow, Bennett's teams play slow, therefore McCollum's ceiling is Tony Bennett? You are basing that off of nothing. Yes, what he did at the D2 level is impressive. That means jack squat when it comes to succeeding at the highest level of college basketball.

I meant to include IU profs statement in that rebuttal. He said McCollum’s ceiling is Bennett. So i wasn’t basing that on nothing. Just improperly cited. 

In disagree that his results at d2 and now year 1 in d1 mean jack squat. It’s an indacator of future success. Now he’s done it at multiple levels. 

we will just have to agree to disagree bc it doesn’t seem like we will find common ground here. That’s ok. 
 

 

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If not Stevens or May

Then:

Alford 

Schertz

(young tennis star, Interesting relationship with dad and mom, on his own at young age from a million dollar dad)…..Schertz NIL would get players that play for the school and him.  Community liked him because he wins. (AD from ISU could see it)  ISU had a president that was out of her league.  (In both basketball and baseball).  Schertz is smart.  Team plays 21st century and still is a no nonsense type coach.  Entertaining.  People would like this guy and is well spoken (interesting and fun to listen to).  High energy.  And less of a risk than many that are mentioned because he can coach and the IU NIL would allow him to put together the team chemistry that he would be successful with.

Spin the bottle and pick one….Let’s go.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, bobknightsghost said:

Tom Crean - 1 FF, 4 Sweet Sixteen Appearances, 3 Conference Titles, 11-9 record in the NCAA tournament

mick Cronin - 1 FF, 4 Sweet Sixteen Appearances, 4 conference titles, 15-14 record in the NCAA tournament

very similar resumes

Tom Crean - 56.8% career winning percentage 

Mick Cronin - 68.3% career winning percentage 

What is hard to understand about the fact that Crean’s highs weren’t what got him fired, if was his inconsistency/lows? If Tom Crean had 15 years at IU that Cronin has had at Cincy/UCLA he would absolutely still be the head coach. 13/14 (14/15 counting the covid year) tournaments, zero seasons with a losing conference record, 1 season with more than 12 losses versus 7 seasons with single-digit losses. 

The Crean comparison is lazy and frankly makes no sense. 

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