General Coach Candidate News

[LamarCheeks 22,130]

1 hour ago, SamIam said:

I do think things will be a little better next year. The shooting problem is so obvious that he will be forced to go out and find someone.

Appreciate the thought you put into this.

But as much as I'd like to see the above point bear out, I have no faith that it will. We've had shooting problems for the past six-plus seasons, and they haven't been addressed. Woody has had two-plus seasons -- and an open scholarship -- and yet either can't or won't find shooters.

Puzzling to say the least. 

 

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[DChoosier 9,811]

3 hours ago, go iu bb said:

He hasn't lost one yet, either!

Very true!! So far Cig has the best record of any IU football coach.

Time for an extension and statue. 

Maybe rename the stadium Marlboro Field.

 

[Adillac 1,009]

Schertz>May

Here's what I like about Schertz: he's a survivor, he has guts and he's hungry. He ran Bill Self's offense for a few years and killed it and then changed it to a more pro style 5 out offense and killed it even more. The guy has personal stories that I bet a lot of young guys can connect with, and the guy can apparently coach his butt off. And he is currently coaching in the state of Indiana. He has Florida roots so not sure IU has any pull with him personally, but I think if you are going to go with a midmajor guy, he is the one to get. 

[Adillac 1,009]

Pearl would have been a good get about 5-6 years ago. He is too old to start someting meaningful imo. 

Beard can coach but the IU brass would never consider him for his baggage.

Few, Drew, Lloyd- these guys wouldn't jump ship to come here imo.

Stevens- you keep offering even if it won't happen

Alford- Not my first pick but he would do better than Crean, Woody, CAM....I wouldn't be heartbroken if we hired him, but I don't think IU would consider him either imo.

 

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20 hours ago, SamIam said:

Alright I have some thoughts after reading this thread. Feel free to respond.

First, Woodson isn't going anywhere. I do think things will be a little better next year. The shooting problem is so obvious that he will be forced to go out and find someone. Unfortunately the biggest problem is the system. I still haven't seen anything to suggest that he will go away from playing 2 bigs, and until that happens we aren't going to be good. Defense getting worse every year is very worrying. Luckily any coach could come in and keep all our recruiting progress just by retaining Walsh. 

The good news is we have 3 good candidates: Shertz, Shrews, and May. 

Anyone who says Pearl or Beard is not serious. Pearl is a known scumbag. Its not just cheating the NCAA - which apparently this board no longer cares about - Chuck Person caught a federal charge. I get the people who want Beard. His brand of basketball is modern Bob Knight, and he's one of the best coaches in the game. But there are things bigger than basketball and I don't want my alma mater hiring him. Go read the police report. There were bite marks. 

Shertz is great. I love his ISU teams, but I worry that his teams sometimes drop games when they cannot hit their 3's. That being said his offense is a layup line, and an absolute treat to watch, and he is one of the best talent evaluators in the game right now. He's lost damn near every recruiting battle he's had in the last 3 years and he still got Avila and Conwell because no one else was looking. Imagine him with a real recruiting apparatus. If you think he is the guy, you prob need to go get him now, no connections to Indiana so he will be hard to lure away from any other good job.

Shrews is a bit of the same, but more proven. He's my top choice atm. He should not be judged by this year at ND, he would lock down the state, and we would be fun. He has some of the best relationships in the state and especially at La Lu. Mullins, Sisley would commit immediately and Haralson wouldn't be far behind. Also important to note that Shrews' rosters at PSU played small because those were the only guys he could get (and he still won). When he was OC at Purdue they were able to play through Trevion Williams so he can play that way as well.  If you give him our budget I have no doubt we would be a monster.  Protege of Stevens and Painter, Indiana native. Young guy. Family man. Loves this state more than anyone. Knows the portal, knows recruiting. Plays a good brand and is by all accounts an incredible man. 

May is an IU guy, he's young, he plays a modern brand like the other two but one thing I love about his teams is that he can win in every way. Not hitting threes? They will drive on you. They can beat you through the post. Last year they proved they could lock you down. It's never one guy with him, he develops everyone to defend, shoot, and drive so they are crazy versatile. That is what wins in the tourney, you have to be able to win in different ways. He is NOT CAM. FAU was nothing before him and they have successfully jumped to the American with a starting lineup with the following heights: 6-0. 6-1, 6-2, 6-4, 7-0. Dayton succeeded before Archie and after him. The people shitting on him don't know him. FAU's gym holds less than a third as much as ISU's. The fact that they went to a F4 is a freaking miracle and we may just need a miracle worker. 

I think any one of these guys would be a success. The good news is I am 99% sure Shrews and May would leave almost any job for the IU opening. May will likely take L'Ville, OSU, or UM next year but I don't think he would have a problem leaving any of those to take IU. Shrews will 1000% leave ND for us. Next year the picture will begin to take shape, May will get a shot at the Power 5 level and we will see if he is up to it. Shrews will have all his young guys for another year. 

This season sucks but we have honestly good options for the post-Woodson world. I get we have been hurt in the past but there is so much opportunity to get this next hire right. 

Thanks for this. It gives me real hope atm whether Woodson is retained or let go. I wish I could like this more than once.

[IUHoosierJoe 2,153]

20 hours ago, SamIam said:

Alright I have some thoughts after reading this thread. Feel free to respond.

First, Woodson isn't going anywhere. I do think things will be a little better next year. The shooting problem is so obvious that he will be forced to go out and find someone. Unfortunately the biggest problem is the system. I still haven't seen anything to suggest that he will go away from playing 2 bigs, and until that happens we aren't going to be good. Defense getting worse every year is very worrying. Luckily any coach could come in and keep all our recruiting progress just by retaining Walsh. 

The good news is we have 3 good candidates: Shertz, Shrews, and May. 

Anyone who says Pearl or Beard is not serious. Pearl is a known scumbag. Its not just cheating the NCAA - which apparently this board no longer cares about - Chuck Person caught a federal charge. I get the people who want Beard. His brand of basketball is modern Bob Knight, and he's one of the best coaches in the game. But there are things bigger than basketball and I don't want my alma mater hiring him. Go read the police report. There were bite marks. 

Shertz is great. I love his ISU teams, but I worry that his teams sometimes drop games when they cannot hit their 3's. That being said his offense is a layup line, and an absolute treat to watch, and he is one of the best talent evaluators in the game right now. He's lost damn near every recruiting battle he's had in the last 3 years and he still got Avila and Conwell because no one else was looking. Imagine him with a real recruiting apparatus. If you think he is the guy, you prob need to go get him now, no connections to Indiana so he will be hard to lure away from any other good job.

Shrews is a bit of the same, but more proven. He's my top choice atm. He should not be judged by this year at ND, he would lock down the state, and we would be fun. He has some of the best relationships in the state and especially at La Lu. Mullins, Sisley would commit immediately and Haralson wouldn't be far behind. Also important to note that Shrews' rosters at PSU played small because those were the only guys he could get (and he still won). When he was OC at Purdue they were able to play through Trevion Williams so he can play that way as well.  If you give him our budget I have no doubt we would be a monster.  Protege of Stevens and Painter, Indiana native. Young guy. Family man. Loves this state more than anyone. Knows the portal, knows recruiting. Plays a good brand and is by all accounts an incredible man. 

May is an IU guy, he's young, he plays a modern brand like the other two but one thing I love about his teams is that he can win in every way. Not hitting threes? They will drive on you. They can beat you through the post. Last year they proved they could lock you down. It's never one guy with him, he develops everyone to defend, shoot, and drive so they are crazy versatile. That is what wins in the tourney, you have to be able to win in different ways. He is NOT CAM. FAU was nothing before him and they have successfully jumped to the American with a starting lineup with the following heights: 6-0. 6-1, 6-2, 6-4, 7-0. Dayton succeeded before Archie and after him. The people shitting on him don't know him. FAU's gym holds less than a third as much as ISU's. The fact that they went to a F4 is a freaking miracle and we may just need a miracle worker. 

I think any one of these guys would be a success. The good news is I am 99% sure Shrews and May would leave almost any job for the IU opening. May will likely take L'Ville, OSU, or UM next year but I don't think he would have a problem leaving any of those to take IU. Shrews will 1000% leave ND for us. Next year the picture will begin to take shape, May will get a shot at the Power 5 level and we will see if he is up to it. Shrews will have all his young guys for another year. 

This season sucks but we have honestly good options for the post-Woodson world. I get we have been hurt in the past but there is so much opportunity to get this next hire right. 

Great post, thank you.

[Adillac 1,009]

I'm surpised by this analysis. 

Shrews is by far the least proven of the 3 that were mentioned: a losing record in 3 years at IU Southbend, barely above .500 in 2 years at PSU and currently has a 7-15 record at ND. That's a poor resume. 

May has a better resume.

Schertz has an amazing resume.

[Chris007 62,511]

I have no idea who the next coach will be. I have my favorite which is May but that is just my personal choice. But I did speak to someone at the game on Saturday who said they had no idea who the next coach would be but could almost 100% guarantee it wouldn't be Chris Beard. He is not an option. 

[Stuhoo 89,490]

27 minutes ago, Adillac said:

I'm surpised by this analysis. 

Shrews is by far the least proven of the 3 that were mentioned: a losing record in 3 years at IU Southbend, barely above .500 in 2 years at PSU and currently has a 7-15 record at ND. That's a poor resume. 

May has a better resume.

Schertz has an amazing resume.

Shrews was the top assistant to Brad Stevens and Matt Painter, was an NBA assistant, and took a perennial bottom feeder B1G team to 23 wins and the NCAA tournament in his second year as their head coach. 

Feel better about his resume now? He'd be the closest thing to a young, sure thing we could hope for.

 

[Uspshoosier 54,413]

No coach that is brought in is going to be a sure thing.   That’s excluding the Hall of  Famers that are coaching in today’s game.  Not one will be a guaranteed success no matter how much people think they would be.  Having said that honestly where the program has been it wouldn’t take much for any of them to find success early.    Someone is going to walk into a situation where the program has only made the tourney twice in 8 years or so and has only 1 winning conference record in those same years.  2 blowout losses early in the tourneys they did make. Whoever is hired has a chance to turn around a program that has had less then ideal results.    Heck Woody could do something they no IU coach has ever done still this year and then what do you do.    If IU got hot for 4 days and won the B1G tourney for the first time in school history that would be interesting.   If you tell me no chance that happens probably not but there was no chance Ewing and a terrible  Georgetown team  was going to win a stacked Big East tourney until they did.   He was still a terrible coach and got fired the next year but stranger things have happened before 

[IndyResident16 567]

2 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Feel better about his resume now? He'd be the closest thing to a young, sure thing we could hope for.

He's 2 years younger than Chris Beard where there'd be no hope and pray as he's already the real deal.....just sayin'.

[Stuhoo 89,490]

5 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

He's 2 years younger than Chris Beard where there'd be no hope and pray as he's already the real deal.....just sayin'.

Program fit matters so much, and Chris Beard is so completely perfect for UL, and not a bad fit for UK IMO. He is not nearly as good a fit for IU or UM should either of those jobs open up.

And if I haven't made myself clear yet, both Shrews and May seem to me to be no-brainer very good fits for IU (though that would not be a guarantee for success). Schertz would be a real roll of the dice with upside.

[Kentuckysucks 4,332]

15 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I have no idea who the next coach will be. I have my favorite which is May but that is just my personal choice. But I did speak to someone at the game on Saturday who said they had no idea who the next coach would be but could almost 100% guarantee it wouldn't be Chris Beard. He is not an option. 

May is probably who it will be assuming he's still available.  I kind of like the ISU coach a little better.  Mainly because he's completely turned around 2 programs vs 1.

[IndyResident16 567]

8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Program fit matters so much, and Chris Beard is so completely perfect for UL, and not a bad fit for UK IMO. He is not nearly as good a fit for IU or UM should either of those jobs open up.

And if I haven't made myself clear yet, both Shrews and May seem to me to be no-brainer very good fits for IU (though that would not be a guarantee for success). Schertz would be a real roll of the dice with upside.

Funny that Beard has literally been a good fit wherever he's gone. It's almost as if winners fit wherever they go. 

[Stuhoo 89,490]

1 minute ago, IndyResident16 said:

Funny that Beard has literally been a good fit wherever he's gone. It's almost as if winners fit wherever they go. 

He did not fit in well at Texas because they fired his @$$.

[IndyResident16 567]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

He did not fit in well at Texas because they fired his @$$.

Not because of fit. They were ranked #2 in the country lol. 

[Hoosierfan2017 24,880]

6 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Funny that Beard has literally been a good fit wherever he's gone. It's almost as if winners fit wherever they go. 

He’s not a good fit for the holier than thou IU administration. At least UM is elite academically so the mentality makes a little more sense. I’ll never understand it for IU. We’re an average school academically and, because of the administration, average (at best) athletically. So why the elitist, we’re better than you, attitude? Schools like UK will do whatever it takes to win. IU won’t. The results speak for themselves. 

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[JSHoosier 22,211]

36 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I have no idea who the next coach will be. I have my favorite which is May but that is just my personal choice. But I did speak to someone at the game on Saturday who said they had no idea who the next coach would be but could almost 100% guarantee it wouldn't be Chris Beard. He is not an option. 

With his baggage I'm not surprised Beard isn't an option. 

Granted IU set the bar so low with Woodson that hiring an active head coach would be a step up.

[IndyResident16 567]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

He’s not a good fit for the holier than thou IU administration. At least UM is elite academically so the mentality makes a little more sense. I’ll never understand it for IU. We’re an average school academically and, because of the administration, average (at best) athletically. So why the elitist, we’re better than you, attitude? Schools like UK will do whatever it takes to win. IU won’t. The results speak for themselves. 

Won't disagree with any of that, but that's purely a choice. In regards to actual fit, Chris Beard is a home run. Guys like Archie Miller and Mike Davis weren't a good fits because of their lack of personality. Chris Beard has all the traits to manage expectations here, very few do. It's why we keep hiring new coaches every 4-5 years.