General Coach Candidate News

[Trish]

Morning boys, I’m going to check on the thread after lunch. But I spotted this on Third Street in Bloomington. 
 

Thought you guys might like it. 

[lillurk]

2 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That was something the staff was pushing that they were going to bring in a big time transfer or transfers. Maybe hoping that would give them another year.

I think when things were less clear this was a more compelling argument. If you could say, “we would’ve made it in ‘20, we made it in ‘21, we’re bringing back some pieces and we’re really building something by adding _____ transfer(s),” you buy yourself some cushion. Maybe that works great and you become a real destination for prime transfers or you really help yourself on the trail.

As is, though, the program has no juice if you stand pat. A new staff had a much better shot at impact transfers because they have a vision to sell, playing time may be distributed differently, etc

[hper50]

3 minutes ago, coonhounds said:

Interesting idea but imo long shot. We have a better chance at getting big time transfers by hiring a good coach imo

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Perhaps the Muss Bus rolls through Bloomington and we get Justin Smith 2.0! 

[Uspshoosier]

9 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

That was something the staff was pushing that they were going to bring in a big time transfer or transfers. Maybe hoping that would give them another year.

I would guess they should cross Henry off that list.   He isn’t leaving Sparty unless it’s to go pro.   Just watch the Journey episode about him and his path at MSU.  Very good episode.  

[Hovadipo]

36 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Haha! Haven't been on Btown Banners for a while. Since about the Fall (maybe summer, can't remember) every time I came to the site it would revert to some Amazon ad or something. 

Nice to be back, and hope everyone is doing well!!

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on where your NBA allegiances lie, Brad Stevens is not walking through that door. The Celtics love him, and Wyc Grousbeck (the owner) and Ainge don't care about fan pressure. I was there when the entire city wanted Doc Rivers fired and it was never even a consideration in the front office. Not even a thought at all. When Wyc and Danny love you, then aren't moving on because of the fans. 

Welp, time to turn your Amazon ad redirect back on. 

[8bucks]

50 minutes ago, BGleas said:

Haha! Haven't been on Btown Banners for a while. Since about the Fall (maybe summer, can't remember) every time I came to the site it would revert to some Amazon ad or something. 

Nice to be back, and hope everyone is doing well!!

Unfortunately, or fortunately depending on where your NBA allegiances lie, Brad Stevens is not walking through that door. The Celtics love him, and Wyc Grousbeck (the owner) and Ainge don't care about fan pressure. I was there when the entire city wanted Doc Rivers fired and it was never even a consideration in the front office. Not even a thought at all. When Wyc and Danny love you, then aren't moving on because of the fans. 

Dream killer.  Ha thanks for the input and good to see you back. My son is a Celtic fan and said pretty much the same thing but your perspective from being on the inside certainly carries more weight. 

[Trish]

Money as been raised?... 

 

Brad Stevens or bust! 
 

Or Dane Fife. 
 

Or Chris Mack. 

[MikeRoberts]

I would like Dolson, with the advice of Buckner and a few other basketball minds choose whoever the hell they want without any fear or pressure from the fanbase or media. 
 

in the end, his tenure at IU will be judged, fairly or not on this hire, he has to follow his gut along with the advice of a close circle of basketball minded folks.

if it’s Steven’s, amazing, if it’s Drew, amazing, if it’s Gates, amazing, Fife, amazing idk. Blaze your own trail my man

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I would like Dolson, with the advice of Buckner and a few other basketball minds choose whoever the hell they want without any fear or pressure from the fanbase or media. 
 

in the end, his tenure at IU will be judged, fairly or not on this hire, he has to follow his gut along with the advice of a close circle of basketball minded folks.

if it’s Steven’s, amazing, if it’s Drew, amazing, if it’s Gates, amazing, Fife, amazing idk. Blaze your own trail my man

 

^^ Bless this post. ^^

Based on results and the trajectory of the program, I believe it's time for a change. 

I will support and root like hell for whoever that choice may be. (unless it's Belien, he's too old lol)

 

[LamarCheeks]

10 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

^^ Bless this post. ^^

Based on results and the trajectory of the program, I believe it's time for a change. 

I will support and root like hell for whoever that choice may be.

 

Agree.

If a change is made, I might not agree with the choice, but I will still support him and the team (unless it's Pearl -- LOL). I grew up in Indiana and am an IU alum, and that's not going to change. 

I'm not understanding all the declarations that if we hire so and so, they're not following the program anymore. Or, a declaration that one is so disgusted, they didn't watch yesterday's game. Or the Michigan game. Or they won't watch what's very likely our only B1G tourney game. 

If you don't want to follow the program any longer or don't have any desire to watch the games, that's fine. Don't. That's your prerogative. But coming on here -- or on a FB page -- and making such a "dramatic" announcement really isn't necessary. Frankly, it's kind of silly. 

[HoosierAloha]

9 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

Agree.

If a change is made, I might not agree with the choice, but I will still support him and the team (unless it's Pearl -- LOL). I grew up in Indiana and am an IU alum, and that's not going to change. 

I'm not understanding all the declarations that if we hire so and so, they're not following the program anymore. Or, a declaration that one is so disgusted, they didn't watch yesterday's game. Or the Michigan game. Or they won't watch what's very likely our only B1G tourney game. 

If you don't want to follow the program any longer or don't have any desire to watch the games, that's fine. Don't. That's your prerogative. But coming on here -- or on a FB page -- and making such a "dramatic" announcement really isn't necessary. Frankly, it's kind of silly. 

Only Sam Story makes those kind of declarations!

[8bucks]

4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I would like Dolson, with the advice of Buckner and a few other basketball minds choose whoever the hell they want without any fear or pressure from the fanbase or media. 
 

in the end, his tenure at IU will be judged, fairly or not on this hire, he has to follow his gut along with the advice of a close circle of basketball minded folks.

if it’s Steven’s, amazing, if it’s Drew, amazing, if it’s Gates, amazing, Fife, amazing idk. Blaze your own trail my man

Dolson may be new in the hiring role but he has to have a lot of contacts at the college level. Good to hear we seem to be reaching out to a few people and hope he gets his guy. Hoping his hire is not limited due to the poor performances of the prior coaches and the need to have bought them out. 

[lillurk]

Since the buyout currently equals 100% of remaining salary, one way to take the money being there is that there’s at least enough pledged for the buyout. Probably some more to call on if you can land a big fish — folks who’d balk at a big donation earmarked for the buyout but who could be convinced to throw in to up the salary for the next coach, or to buy the next coach out of his current contract elsewhere.

[Trish]

35 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

I would like Dolson, with the advice of Buckner and a few other basketball minds choose whoever the hell they want without any fear or pressure from the fanbase or media. 
 

in the end, his tenure at IU will be judged, fairly or not on this hire, he has to follow his gut along with the advice of a close circle of basketball minded folks.

if it’s Steven’s, amazing, if it’s Drew, amazing, if it’s Gates, amazing, Fife, amazing idk. Blaze your own trail my man

I want to play poker with this guy! 
 

And I don’t even know how to play poker lol

[lillurk]

“Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?” https://iufilmroom.com/2020-21/indiana-under-archie-miller-its-time-to-move-on/

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I'm probably wrong as usual, but I think there will be a negotiated buyout and the $10 million figure becomes a moot point.  There's no way Archie can be satisfied with his performance and he's got to see that barring a whole bunch of "ifs" it won't be that much better next year.  He won't have to worry about being unemployed unless he simply wants to take some time away from the game.  He'll have coaching options available.  As for leaving money on the table by refusing to leave without the full $10 million option, I just don't see that happening unless he's a lesser man than I think he is.  Last year and this year can't have been good for his personal life and I think he resigns and walks away from IU.

[rcbowla]

I'm probably wrong as usual, but I think there will be a negotiated buyout and the $10 million figure becomes a moot point.  There's no way Archie can be satisfied with his performance and he's got to see that barring a whole bunch of "ifs" it won't be that much better next year.  He won't have to worry about being unemployed unless he simply wants to take some time away from the game.  He'll have coaching options available.  As for leaving money on the table by refusing to leave without the full $10 million option, I just don't see that happening unless he's a lesser man than I think he is.  Last year and this year can't have been good for his personal life and I think he resigns and walks away from IU.

It looks like it's taken a toll on him. He visibly looks defeated.

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[Josh]

Pat Kelsey?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Kelsey

[MikeRoberts]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I'm probably wrong as usual, but I think there will be a negotiated buyout and the $10 million figure becomes a moot point.  There's no way Archie can be satisfied with his performance and he's got to see that barring a whole bunch of "ifs" it won't be that much better next year.  He won't have to worry about being unemployed unless he simply wants to take some time away from the game.  He'll have coaching options available.  As for leaving money on the table by refusing to leave without the full $10 million option, I just don't see that happening unless he's a lesser man than I think he is.  Last year and this year can't have been good for his personal life and I think he resigns and walks away from IU.

I think that could be a reality. Unless he knows something that we aren’t seeing, next year doesn’t project to be a smashing success and that would be the only reason for him to want to return. He has to know next year will be rough on the court and off and that isn’t healthy for anyone

[LamarCheeks]

45 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I'm probably wrong as usual, but I think there will be a negotiated buyout and the $10 million figure becomes a moot point.  There's no way Archie can be satisfied with his performance and he's got to see that barring a whole bunch of "ifs" it won't be that much better next year.  He won't have to worry about being unemployed unless he simply wants to take some time away from the game.  He'll have coaching options available.  As for leaving money on the table by refusing to leave without the full $10 million option, I just don't see that happening unless he's a lesser man than I think he is.  Last year and this year can't have been good for his personal life and I think he resigns and walks away from IU.

I can see Archie and IU parting ways, but with a lessened buyout. He can't be happy and it sure seems pretty obvious that the situation is  untenable. And I think he's still very hireable. At the same time, I don't think it makes him a lesser man if he insists on the full buyout. A contract is a contract -- both sides agreed to it. From my view in the cheap seats, Archie has been a pretty good employee. He hasn't embarrassed us off the court, has seemingly been a good ambassador for the program (except, obviously, the on-court record) and even gave money back to the university during the pandemic. He just hasn't won enough. Archie might not have had the greatest of results here, but I'd argue that he's a much better man than Crean and Sampson combined.