2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[Bailey7878]

3 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Why? So we make the dance this year and then the impact guy leaves and we have to get another one year loaner?

No. Archie needs to make long term investments in building the program. Going to the tournament is great, but what the hell does it matter if we’re not built for sustained success.


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Well if you think Archie can miss the tourney again next year and not be on a red hot seat in year four sure go that route. You act like he can just keep missing it and will be given a pass by the BOT.  IMO he is mostly coaching for his IU career next year.  He will not get the Crean treatment. His leash is going to be a lot shorter. 

[Stuhoo]

19 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

I would put Windham fourth. Gotta get some impact guys in here. What we currently have will not cut it imo  if we want to make the dance. 

 

When Bailey doesn’t want a player, even if his reasoning seems logical I can’t help but feel like this:

 

 

[HoosierFan1994]

Rabjohns says we should know one way or another about player movement, if any, by the end of the week. 

[HoosierAloha]

Well if you think Archie can miss the tourney again next year and not be on a red hot seat in year four sure go that route. You act like he can just keep missing it and will be given a pass by the BOT.  IMO he is mostly coaching for his IU career next year.  He will not get the Crean treatment. His leash is going to be a lot shorter. 

Have you spoke with the BOT to know their intentions?


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[Bailey7878]

6 minutes ago, HoosierAloha said:

Have you spoke with the BOT to know their intentions?


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I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 

 

 

[rcbowla]

I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 
 
 

Tend to agree with this. Though I have had time to simmer down and think Archie might very well be the right guy. Man I hope so. That said another season like this last one won't sit well with anyone. Need to have the feeling of positive momentum at the least. Didn't finish this season feeling like things are looking up and that to me is the issue.

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[wirenuts]

After the 12 game stretch, there was quite a bit of positive momentum. No, they did not make the tournament, and came out really flat against wichita st but they also beat some really good teams in the next set of games after that stretch. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic. I feel as though quite a few players did not have that, and with the injuries that they had, I'm suprised that they were able to beat the teams that they did. This was one of the poorest shooting teams that I can remember at IU, hands down. Virginia just showed what the ceiling is for a team that can defend and shoot. This next year's team needs improvement in shooting in the worst way, and I believe that they will get that. Archie is the guy, we need patience.....

[DChoosier]

3 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

After the 12 game stretch, there was quite a bit of positive momentum. No, they did not make the tournament, and came out really flat against wichita st but they also beat some really good teams in the next set of games after that stretch. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic. I feel as though quite a few players did not have that, and with the injuries that they had, I'm suprised that they were able to beat the teams that they did. This was one of the poorest shooting teams that I can remember at IU, hands down. Virginia just showed what the ceiling is for a team that can defend and shoot. This next year's team needs improvement in shooting in the worst way, and I believe that they will get that. Archie is the guy, we need patience.....

Came out flat against Wichita State and also in the virtual tourney play-in game vs. OSU. I just can’t get over that OSU game. If the tourney doesn’t motivate you ?!?!?

Agree about the shooting. There were plenty of issues with the offense (ie as an example where on the court Romeo would get the ball ) but we did have a number of open opportunities that we did not cash in.  A three point threat would have put us in the tourney. 

[8bucks]

Tend to agree with this. Though I have had time to simmer down and think Archie might very well be the right guy. Man I hope so. That said another season like this last one won't sit well with anyone. Need to have the feeling of positive momentum at the least. Didn't finish this season feeling like things are looking up and that to me is the issue.

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I agree that another year like this one and Archie would be in trouble. But, this we not only did not make the tournament but for much of the year we played uninspired and seemingly without the effort required at this level.

If we miss next year but the top players next year are primarily freshman and sophomores that play with great effort that makes a big difference.

I think we also need to see some off season development in the current players. Almost all kids are going to get better as they get older but I have not seen any indications our ability to develop kids is anything special. I would love to see several of our returning players make noticeable jumps.

It would also be helpful to see Archie’s recruits really play well. Rob was really the only one who has but Race and Hunter were hurt and Romeo was already good. If Franklin comes in and plays better than his ranking then our confidence in his ability to spot talent increases.

I think Archie can answer some of these questions and yet still not make the tournament.


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[wirenuts]

1 minute ago, DChoosier said:

Came out flat against Wichita State and also in the virtual tourney play-in game vs. OSU. I just can’t get over that OSU game. If the tourney doesn’t motivate you ?!?!?

Agree about the shooting. There were plenty of issues with the offense (ie as an example where on the court Romeo would get the ball ) but we did have a number of open opportunities that we did not cash in.  A three point threat would have put us in the tourney. 

I just dont believe that this team was motivated to play anyone...you had players that moped when they wouldnt get the ball, other players that just stood around on the wing, waiting to get the ball when they had a true ability to take over a game. But the biggest issue by far was the inability to hit outside shots. You just cannot be a one dimensional team and try to be finishers when the other team knew exactly what you were gonna do, because you could do nothing else. The blueprint was set after IU's second game in the BIG. Coaches knew that they couldn't shoot, and they did exactly what the tape showed to turn IU into a one dimensional team. You cannot spread out the floor effectively if you cannot shoot. Period.  You saw what the offense could do when they were making shots. 

[HoosierAloha]

I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 
 
 

How long do you think I think his leash is?


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[JSHoosier]

50 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

After the 12 game stretch, there was quite a bit of positive momentum. No, they did not make the tournament, and came out really flat against wichita st but they also beat some really good teams in the next set of games after that stretch. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic. I feel as though quite a few players did not have that, and with the injuries that they had, I'm suprised that they were able to beat the teams that they did. This was one of the poorest shooting teams that I can remember at IU, hands down. Virginia just showed what the ceiling is for a team that can defend and shoot. This next year's team needs improvement in shooting in the worst way, and I believe that they will get that. Archie is the guy, we need patience.....

I agree the team needs shooting but I'm hesitant to say different players is the fix.  It's not at all unusual for Miller's teams to struggle with shooting and are always terrible at the line; that's a trend that tells me it's not all on the players.

[Uspshoosier]

How long do you think I think his leash is?


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I know a guy that knows a guy it’s longer than you think [emoji41]


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[RaceToTheTop]

2 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 

 

 

So you know a guy who knows a guy who to spoke to one person?  How many Dixie cups were there in the phone chain?

Purple monkey dishwasher.

[HoosierAloha]

I know a guy that knows a guy it’s longer than you think [emoji41]


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Now I’m thoroughly confused. Is the leash longer or shorter than I think it is?!


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[wirenuts]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

I agree the team needs shooting but I'm hesitant to say different players is the fix.  It's not at all unusual for Miller's teams to struggle with shooting and are always terrible at the line; that's a trend that tells me it's not all on the players.

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

[JSHoosier]

10 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

Am I supposed to believe that in his career he hasn't had players that put up shots on their own?  The fact it's a trend tells me something coaching wise needs to change.

Crean's teams have a trend of too many turnovers and lousy defense.  

[Chris007]

26 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

I know the answer to this. VO lived at Cook hall between his freshman and sophomore year. He got up at least 1000 shots a day, every day of the summer. Had nothing to do with Crean. I had VO talk to my son about getting shots up in the summer. Crean may have helped in other areas but not in shooting, that was all VO putting in work every day of the summer. 

[wirenuts]

31 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

 

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Lots of examples in the tourney of teams that are tough on d and can still shoot. They don't tend to be run & gun, but make shots. 

And while you didn't ask me, I think the answer to "did Crean make Oladipo the player he became?" is yes. Obviously not 100%, but you can't blame coaches for not developing players and then deny them credit for players that do. Archie can't make the players want it for themselves, but he can push. Mostly he can get the right kind of players (hungry, motivated) in the first place, which is what I think most of us agree on. 

Yes Archie can push. I'm not in his gym during his practices so I cant say one way or another. I have to assume that he does. 

[wirenuts]

33 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

 

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Lots of examples in the tourney of teams that are tough on d and can still shoot. They don't tend to be run & gun, but make shots. 

And while you didn't ask me, I think the answer to "did Crean make Oladipo the player he became?" is yes. Obviously not 100%, but you can't blame coaches for not developing players and then deny them credit for players that do. Archie can't make the players want it for themselves, but he can push. Mostly he can get the right kind of players (hungry, motivated) in the first place, which is what I think most of us agree on. 

Also I didnt really say that anything had to be mutually exclusive...even though it sounded that way. Maybe archie does need to teach more offense, and less defense. I cant really argue that at this point. I just saw how good this team could actually be if shooters can consistently hit open shots. It gives me hope for this coach and system