(2019) SF Keion Brooks Jr. to Kentucky

[HoosierFan1994]

6 minutes ago, Bailey7878 said:

Honestly the fact we are in on any of these five stars is amazing given the state of the program.

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It has been 21 years since IU had back to back Mr. Basketball's (assuming TJD wins it). Have a stud PG. Need a wing and a shooter and you will have me sold. Think Archie needs to tweak the staff a bit. Not overreacting from this season-just think there needs to be a new voice. Don't know how much that changes things. 

[KingPG21]

Remember when this site wasn't just the same dudes turning every thread they can into a lets all just wallow in our misery together thread? 

 

Thankfully they haven't found a way to ruin the pro threads or the general threads

[Hoosier116]

Outcome biased is a real thing. On so many levels. Archie’s rebuild is gonna take time and patience which iu fans lack and quite frankly, don’t want to have with their beloved Hoosier b-ball team. It’s just tough altogether


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[colonel06]

Well not getting Keion sucks I think!


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[AKHoosier]

Honestly don't understand people saying "good luck Keion"

I definitely don't wish him ill will, but I sure as hell don't wish him luck.

[JSHoosier]

7 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

They are just remembering the old days. Not much of a difference between us and Washington is there? We just aren’t good. Sleeping giant? Maybe. But it will take a great coach to awake it. Is Archie that coach? Probably not even close. Not that’s he’s a bad coach but he just doesn’t seem to have what it takes to compete at the absolute highest level in the country. But fans just want to continue trying to build off what happened 30 years ago rather than trying to establish a 100% new era. Keep the tradition in the halls and the rafters. Time for a new era of Indiana basketball.


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We've taken the "new era" approach, not exactly a success so far.  

I'd prefer we say here's the expectations, either meet them or get out.  Worked wonders for Alabama football cycling through coach after coach after coach until they got it right, of course their administration actually cared.

[Old Friend]

Let me see if I can instill some sanity into this mess.

1)  No team...not Indiana, not anyone can effectively handle just one "1 and done" kid.  The reason is simply because that player will almost always have a different agenda than his team mates; and at this stage after almost 20 years of below standards basketball?  Indiana needs program kids.  Unless we want ti become UK and get a bunch every season, Indiana is better off without one and done players; and the ones they DO get need to have more than a right hand drive to the rim.  Just sayin'.

2)  Next season, Jerome Hunter will play.  And he's good.  I saw Arman Franklin play a few times.   We will not miss Romeo one bit.  You all can call me crazy if you want to....and I know some will.   But talk to me in 11 months.   Franklin is at least as athletic, a better shooter (although I wouldn't call him a shooter),and has a left hand.   Davis will be a year healthier.  Thompson will be healthy.  Phinisee will be healthy.  And TJD is very good.  I doubt we'll have to worry about Clifton Moore and perhaps 1 or 2 others...Indiana will be a better team next year.  By far.

3)  There will be another addition or two.  We won't know those names until we know who's leaving; but I'm here to tell you the sky did not fall tonight.  Brooks choosing UK means nothing to IU or the direction of IU or the downfall of IU or that IU "lost a player."   A kid who transferred to La Lumiere for basketball only reasons chose UK for basketball only reasons and he wouldn't have been a long term fix at IU any more than Romeo has been.

Breathe folks.   And please stop the incessant negativity.   Purdue lost tonight.  Rejoice in that consistent mess.  

[Rico]

6 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

We've taken the "new era" approach, not exactly a success so far.  

I'd prefer we say here's the expectations, either meet them or get out.  Worked wonders for Alabama football cycling through coach after coach after coach until they got it right, of course their administration actually cared.

Umm......Saban won a title at LSU.  He is Pitino.

[JaybobHoosier]

Let me see if I can instill some sanity into this mess.
1)  No team...not Indiana, not anyone can effectively handle just one "1 and done" kid.  The reason is simply because that player will almost always have a different agenda than his team mates; and at this stage after almost 20 years of below standards basketball?  Indiana needs program kids.  Unless we want ti become UK and get a bunch every season, Indiana is better off without one and done players; and the ones they DO get need to have more than a right hand drive to the rim.  Just sayin'.
2)  Next season, Jerome Hunter will play.  And he's good.  I saw Arman Franklin play a few times.   We will not miss Romeo one bit.  You all can call me crazy if you want to....and I know some will.   But talk to me in 11 months.   Franklin is at least as athletic, a better shooter (although I wouldn't call him a shooter),and has a left hand.   Davis will be a year healthier.  Thompson will be healthy.  Phinisee will be healthy.  And TJD is very good.  I doubt we'll have to worry about Clifton Moore and perhaps 1 or 2 others...Indiana will be a better team next year.  By far.
3)  There will be another addition or two.  We won't know those names until we know who's leaving; but I'm here to tell you the sky did not fall tonight.  Brooks choosing UK means nothing to IU or the direction of IU or the downfall of IU or that IU "lost a player."   A kid who transferred to La Lumiere for basketball only reasons chose UK for basketball only reasons and he wouldn't have been a long term fix at IU any more than Romeo has been.
Breathe folks.   And please stop the incessant negativity.   Purdue lost tonight.  Rejoice in that consistent mess.  

Very well said MY OldFriend ;)


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[ray]

I said it earlier that I'm extremely excited to have Armaan and Trayce on board.  I wanted Trayce far more than Keion until Indiana already had Trayce, then my focus turned to Keion because I thought the chemistry would more easily surface with young players who had experience playing together...coupled with the uncertainty of Jerome Hunter.  And then Keion went on a scoring binge at La Lu and naturally my interest level continued to rise.  However, I always thought Keion was a Kentucky type of recruit (or, at least his dad seemed the type to push his son in the direction of the NBA factory...although, I still think Calipari's success with the NBA has much more to do with the fact kids enrolling at UK are much more ready for the NBA...in other words, I think he's an amazing recruiter and a solid coach, but not the other way around.)  Regardless, it's obvious to us now Keion wanted to be at Kentucky.  He may shine (part of his reasoning for playing at La Lu was to be surrounded by talent he had to battle with and prove himself worthy of playing time).  It's also possible Keion is recruited over in the future and finds less time than he envisions...unless the one and done rules end those trends we often see from Calipari or Keion does land in the NBA after one year.  He would have been almost assured of major playing time at Indiana, but he wanted to go where he felt championships were possible and where the jersey he donned increased his NBA chances (whether his feeling serves him as well as he hopes or not).  He will have to fight for a spot at UK, and I wish him well.  If Jerome Hunter is healthy next year, then he might have been fighting for a spot at Indiana too.  The only thing I know for sure about his playing time is that I won't be watching him play for Kentucky.  I have no desire.  I watch Indiana.  I don't root for other teams, regardless of whether their roster has local kids or not.  Some will follow him, and I think that's great.  I just don't know the kid and he chose not to attend Indiana.  So, with that said, I will sign off of this thread and continue on careless of what happens to him going forward (but I wish him well).

I want to root for players who play for Indiana and take pride in what that means.  If they have lousy seasons, then I will still root for them and feel their pain.  The loyalty of someone like Brooks to UK is absent, unless he grew up a Kentucky fan...and even then, I question where that loyalty truly stems from.  Playing for your home state school isn't for everyone and he made his choice.  I want to focus on the players who have chosen Indiana.  I'm really excited to see how players develop this off-season.  It will be interesting to see what sort of roster turnover happens and what additions might come along.

This whole recruitment process can be disappointing and stressful for me, but I can't imagine what it's like for the coaching staff who devotes so many hours into developing relationships and then seeing a kid elect to go elsewhere.  I would gladly do it, especially for the money they bring home, but it has to be really hard getting close to players and then being shrugged off for someplace they believe is better (especially local players who showed a lot of interest at one time or even throughout the recruitment).  Recruitments like this make me so much more fond of players like Trayce Jackson Davis who seemed so interested in Indiana that all along he had exclusively gathered Crystal Ball picks for Indiana.  And what a relief it is for a player of Trayce Jackson Davis' caliber to quietly elect to enroll at Indiana without all the limelight.  He wanted to be at Indiana.  It wasn't about garnering national attention and dragging things out.  He made his visits, then he decided...and made it public with simplicity and no ego attached.  Those are the players I'm excited about.  And it's an added bonus when players stick around long enough for me to witness their development.

 

[JaybobHoosier]

Five of the last six seasons have had a minimum of 14 losses. It’s not just one bad season here or there with this program. And there is absolutely zero basis to claim IU will be fine going forward. Three straight seasons of missing the NCAA tournament and next year isn’t looking much better.

I get that, but you can’t put that all on Archie. Like I said, this year underachieved, but he also had an INSANE amount of injuries. Hunter didn’t play all season, Phinisee was hurt and coincided with our 1-12 stretch, Davis and Green being hurt/suspended, and Race and McRoberts being hurt most of the year. We saw how important Rob and DeRon were to this team.

I’m just as ticked as any IU fan about how our program has went the last 30+ years. It absolutely sucks, but I also recognize that this season was ridiculous in so many ways that couldn’t be helped. I don’t know if Archie is the right person for the job, but he CAN coach and recruit, and it will get better. I hope it’s back to NCAA Titles, but he will get us back into the tournament every year.


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[Old Friend]

9 minutes ago, Joe DeLow said:

Better by far next year?


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Like I said, Chicken Little.....talk to me in 11 months.    Right now?  I'm sure you think the worst.....I can't be proven right or wrong until  at least next January; so laugh now.   But remember, and look me up then.  You can gloat or apologize and I expect whichever one is appropriate.

[MikeRoberts]

We need to land 3 guys per year between the 25-75 ranking range that meets our needs and we will kill it. Five stars are nice to put us over the top but the baseline needs to be those 4 year 25-75 types.

That also makes it more palatable when we miss out on a guy or two


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[theriverpilot]

Let me see if I can instill some sanity into this mess.
1)  No team...not Indiana, not anyone can effectively handle just one "1 and done" kid.  The reason is simply because that player will almost always have a different agenda than his team mates; and at this stage after almost 20 years of below standards basketball?  Indiana needs program kids.  Unless we want ti become UK and get a bunch every season, Indiana is better off without one and done players; and the ones they DO get need to have more than a right hand drive to the rim.  Just sayin'.
2)  Next season, Jerome Hunter will play.  And he's good.  I saw Arman Franklin play a few times.   We will not miss Romeo one bit.  You all can call me crazy if you want to....and I know some will.   But talk to me in 11 months.   Franklin is at least as athletic, a better shooter (although I wouldn't call him a shooter),and has a left hand.   Davis will be a year healthier.  Thompson will be healthy.  Phinisee will be healthy.  And TJD is very good.  I doubt we'll have to worry about Clifton Moore and perhaps 1 or 2 others...Indiana will be a better team next year.  By far.
3)  There will be another addition or two.  We won't know those names until we know who's leaving; but I'm here to tell you the sky did not fall tonight.  Brooks choosing UK means nothing to IU or the direction of IU or the downfall of IU or that IU "lost a player."   A kid who transferred to La Lumiere for basketball only reasons chose UK for basketball only reasons and he wouldn't have been a long term fix at IU any more than Romeo has been.
Breathe folks.   And please stop the incessant negativity.   Purdue lost tonight.  Rejoice in that consistent mess.  

Couldn’t agree more, especially with Indiana needing program players.


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[HoosierAloha]

Old Friend bringing the positivity?

I think a lot of next seasons success or failure will hinge on individual player development and chemistry. I think we have some pieces but they don’t always play FOR each other or FOR Indiana. That’ll need to change in order to have a better season


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[Golfman25]

Guys.  IU is bigger than one player.  What we need is a program not just one good year.  We need players that will stick around and buy in,  not have different agendas.  Not even sure this kid was the best player in Indiana.  Guys like Romeo/ Brooks actually hurt us.  They take away the development of a program player. I don't care what they do in the NBA. I care what they do in college. 

[Capt. Crimson]

Not right now.  That being said I certainly disagree with the 'you need to give x years to even judge them' crap.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you based on your profile picture alone.


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[Capt. Crimson]

I’ve been at a comedy show. I’m here to eat my crow. I really thought Keion would be a Hoosier. Just a bad couple of days

Lol... at least you own up to it.


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[Capt. Crimson]

Healthy Jerome and Good Justin gets me over Keion. Like you said, lets get a shooter, preferably not from Saint Mary's. World hasn't ended. 

Hell... maybe Devonte channels that energy for his senior year. I have been one of his biggest critics but he proved he can make it happen this week.


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[Capt. Crimson]

Honestly don't understand people saying "good luck Keion"
I definitely don't wish him ill will, but I sure as hell don't wish him luck.

It’s called being a decent human being. An 18 year old kid made the first big decision of his life. Shouldn’t cause a bunch of old men to get to their panties twisted.


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