How Is Darian Devries Doing?

[hoopsta007]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Two things.

1. DeVries isn't going anywhere yet.
2. Brad Stevens is never coming.

Can we just give all that crap a rest?

DeVries recruited a poor roster for this season. There are easily several reasons for it, including missing on some guys and being late getting his staff completed. Let's see what he does this off-season with both staffing and roster. I have no problem saying that the whole basketball program was a hot mess this year, and I bagged on the team, their effort and their overall lack of skill across the board. But this is year one with an extenuating situation. I'm gonna give CDDV a pass and see what he does next year before we break out the torches and pitchforks.

Hard to give him a pass.  Poor recruiting and inability to hire a staff in a timely manner is a major red flag.  Has no evaluation skills as evidenced by the team he assembled and admitted he basically didn’t understand his job (Big Ten basketball).  Little to no player development and a lack of scheming ability.  Is there any coach in the Big Ten that DeVries would be better than?  He is likely no better than 10th and has just been exposed and embarrassed by most of the league this year

[Pagoda]

Ugh.  What the heck sort of quote is this?

 

[BannerVille]

1 minute ago, Pagoda said:

Ugh.  What the heck sort of quote is this?

 

Ugh is right.  This coming from the bright spot of the staff (in theory). **** your ****ing fatigue!  Work harder and do something about it.

[Asha’man]

15 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Two things.

1. DeVries isn't going anywhere yet.
2. Brad Stevens is never coming.

Can we just give all that crap a rest?

DeVries recruited a poor roster for this season. There are easily several reasons for it, including missing on some guys and being late getting his staff completed. Let's see what he does this off-season with both staffing and roster. I have no problem saying that the whole basketball program was a hot mess this year, and I bagged on the team, their effort and their overall lack of skill across the board. But this is year one with an extenuating situation. I'm gonna give CDDV a pass and see what he does next year before we break out the torches and pitchforks.

Agreed. People are quick to pull their support and then wonder why media and other fanbases say our fanbase is delusional. I still 100% support DeVries. I think for a variety of reasons he didn’t put together a good enough roster. That’s on him. With the roster he had he did well but not where anyone wants us to be. I also am giving him a free ride for year 1. He literally started over like Crean but with NIL and his over rated kid. Now he has full lineup of assistants, a GM, and a NIL war chest to spend. The next 6 weeks will tell the story for next year. Even if we don’t know the names of the guys they get, we will find out how they did this fall/winter. I do like the freshmen coming in as well. 

[Asha’man]

4 minutes ago, BannerVille said:

Ugh is right.  This coming from the bright spot of the staff (in theory). **** your ****ing fatigue!  Work harder and do something about it.

Relax. I’m glad the season is over. The portal that’s about to start is way more important than the big ten tournament for this program right now. This is about the future not this limited roster. Let’s see what they do with a season under there belt and time to recruit through back channels for the portal. 

[Five Prime]

Devries first year coaching a P4 program: 19-13, 10-10 - bubble team

Devries second year coaching a P4 program 18-14, 9-11 - bubble team

I'm suprised we are all suprised. 

[Five Prime]

Indiana fans: "He can't possibly be as bad as Archie or Woodson!"

Devries: "Hold my beer!"

[AH1971]

8 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Devries first year coaching a P4 program: 19-13, 10-10 - bubble team

Devries second year coaching a P4 program 18-14, 9-11 - bubble team

I'm suprised we are all suprised. 

Context 100% matters. He started from scratch both years with minimal amount of time. Willing to see what he can do in year 2 after staying put with a staff in place.

[IUHoosier5]

Dolson sure could work some back channels to shut @recruitsindiana down on X

 

That account is just not great and the username makes it even worse… it can get ugly.

DeVries doesn’t need to overcome that this offseason in addition to the multitude of other things

 

There’s just so much to fix. It sucks. None of this is good. DeVries must learn from it and get to work quick. That’s his only option 

[American HoosierX]

How much would we have to pay Cignetti to coach both teams?

[Old Friend]

That was awful.  No argument.   But....  we had kids who were not capable of playing in the Big Ten.  We had players from Elon, Davidson, Sam Houston State, etc.  We had no size.  We had kids who thought they were far better than they were (Conerway) and didn't value the ball or defense.   We had kids (also Conerway) who were just happy to be here.  

Blame the roster on DeVries.  I get it.  Ryan Carr was hired for a reason.  Blame him for underestimating the talent needed in the Big Ten.  But also give the guy credit for winning 18 games, 9 in the Big Ten, with a very average mid major roster.  DeVries will be a better coach without Tucker on the team.  Nobody is going to be patient beyond next season.  I get that, too.   But anyone calling for his firing now?  Who do you think we'd be able to attract after firing 3 coaches in 6 years?

Watching that garbage was painful.  Truly gross.  I get all of it.  We can't fire him now, and I hope Scott Dolson is in his office tomorrow and all over him.  If you haven't heard it, do yourself a favor and watch Kent Sterling's post game video ion YouTube.  His description of how that meeting should go is gold.

[Hornsby]

53 minutes ago, Old Friend said:

That was awful.  No argument.   But....  we had kids who were not capable of playing in the Big Ten.  We had players from Elon, Davidson, Sam Houston State, etc.  We had no size.  We had kids who thought they were far better than they were (Conerway) and didn't value the ball or defense.   We had kids (also Conerway) who were just happy to be here.  

Blame the roster on DeVries.  I get it.  Ryan Carr was hired for a reason.  Blame him for underestimating the talent needed in the Big Ten.  But also give the guy credit for winning 18 games, 9 in the Big Ten, with a very average mid major roster.  DeVries will be a better coach without Tucker on the team.  Nobody is going to be patient beyond next season.  I get that, too.   But anyone calling for his firing now?  Who do you think we'd be able to attract after firing 3 coaches in 6 years?

Watching that garbage was painful.  Truly gross.  I get all of it.  We can't fire him now, and I hope Scott Dolson is in his office tomorrow and all over him.  If you haven't heard it, do yourself a favor and watch Kent Sterling's post game video ion YouTube.  His description of how that meeting should go is gold.

I have only watched a few games in full  but it makes sense sort of us not having talent but losing to teams like northwestern i cant imagine they have better talent or do they? I guess either way dd will show us next year what kind of a roster he can put together. If he can barely make the tourney next year it will probably be billed a success but that should be the the floor if he all this time now to portal

[HoosierDevils]

6 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Context 100% matters. He started from scratch both years with minimal amount of time. Willing to see what he can do in year 2 after staying put with a staff in place.

Some of that was his choice and it is fair to critique it. It’s not just circumstance. Not doing everything to keep Malik—now first team ACC—in favor of dropping a bag for Reed Bailey was less than ideal. Also, the new WVU coach had even less time by circumstance and put together a team that would likely beat this IU team. Other first year coaches like Jai Lucas, Ryan Odom, Kevin Willard, Eric Olen, Josh Schertz, Ben McCollum, Bucky McMillan, heck even Niko Medved at Minnesota exceeding preseason expectations after having a roster decimated my season ending injuries. Some subset of the guys above had even less time as they coached their former teams in the tournament. 

 

[IUCrazy2]

7 hours ago, Aaron said:

I put my trust in several coaches who have said to my face that they see the system will work when better players are there. Certainly, over fans on here who don't know the game at that level. 

Also DeVries has admitted his mistakes in last week, which is a lot more than I can say about either of the two previous regimes. If things are this bad at this time next yr, have to cut bait immediately.

However, cannot judge the staff on this roster of mid-major All Stars. They certainly deserve blame for putting THIS roster together, but need one more chance in my mind to see what they can do with correct talent. The bottom line is West and Martinelli have more complete games than anyone on Indiana's roster. 

Love the hustle of Reed Bailey and Conor Enright but reality is they have no business on a Big Ten floor and that is where our problems begin.

Also parts of our fan base who want Dolson fired for bringing us a national title in football because god for bid we are mediocre at basketball need to have their head examined. Yes, we need to fix this basketball program, but fans attitude of men's basketball is only thing that matters has got to stop if we want to stay as a high-major team across the board. Football is the driver and that's the reality.

Abandoning every non-elite team in every other sport and wanting coaches fired immediately when they fall out of top-25, is part of problem. While I think our fan base gets branded as 'toxic' unfairly for most part, there are corners off it who need to look at what they like about IU. If it's basketball only, and not any team with a Hoosier logo you may need to reevaluate.

The national media may know less on a day-to-day basis, but has no bias said IU would be 10th in Big Ten and miss tourney and roster was not talented enough. They were right unfortunately. 

Definitely not happy as a whole. However, DeVries ran out of answers this season after teams adjusted no matter what he tried. It's ok to be disappointed but don't overreact.

 

7 hours ago, Aaron said:

I put my trust in several coaches who have said to my face that they see the system will work when better players are there. Certainly, over fans on here who don't know the game at that level. 

Also DeVries has admitted his mistakes in last week, which is a lot more than I can say about either of the two previous regimes. If things are this bad at this time next yr, have to cut bait immediately.

However, cannot judge the staff on this roster of mid-major All Stars. They certainly deserve blame for putting THIS roster together, but need one more chance in my mind to see what they can do with correct talent. The bottom line is West and Martinelli have more complete games than anyone on Indiana's roster. 

Love the hustle of Reed Bailey and Conor Enright but reality is they have no business on a Big Ten floor and that is where our problems begin.

Also parts of our fan base who want Dolson fired for bringing us a national title in football because god for bid we are mediocre at basketball need to have their head examined. Yes, we need to fix this basketball program, but fans attitude of men's basketball is only thing that matters has got to stop if we want to stay as a high-major team across the board. Football is the driver and that's the reality.

Abandoning every non-elite team in every other sport and wanting coaches fired immediately when they fall out of top-25, is part of problem. While I think our fan base gets branded as 'toxic' unfairly for most part, there are corners off it who need to look at what they like about IU. If it's basketball only, and not any team with a Hoosier logo you may need to reevaluate.

The national media may know less on a day-to-day basis, but has no bias said IU would be 10th in Big Ten and miss tourney and roster was not talented enough. They were right unfortunately. 

Definitely not happy as a whole. However, DeVries ran out of answers this season after teams adjusted no matter what he tried. It's ok to be disappointed but don't overreact.

So I'll ignore the fan stuff and address the last paragraph.  You aren't wrong with that but we have had that same response after the first year for 3 hires in a row.  There was nothing to build on for this year.  The only thing we showed is that Devries is willing to let certain guys bomb away from 3.  There is next to no youth sticking around, we apparently didn't have athletes to run what I assume he needed athletes to run, and we start all over again next year.

So once again we are in that "Hope this turns out" position instead of "I think things are going to work out because...."

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

We'll know fairly soon what we can expect next season by who we target and who we land in the portal and was what we heard from DDV and Dolson the past week or so merely lip service.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

We'll know fairly soon what we can expect next season by who we target and who we land in the portal and was what we heard from DDV and Dolson the past week or so merely lip service.

I think we are in for a rude awakening in the portal. 

[Hoosier987]

37 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I think we are in for a rude awakening in the portal. 

I hope not…but you were pretty spot on in the portal this off season. Simply put, we just didn’t have the talent or depth to compete. 

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, HoosierDevils said:

Some of that was his choice and it is fair to critique it. It’s not just circumstance. Not doing everything to keep Malik—now first team ACC—in favor of dropping a bag for Reed Bailey was less than ideal. Also, the new WVU coach had even less time by circumstance and put together a team that would likely beat this IU team. Other first year coaches like Jai Lucas, Ryan Odom, Kevin Willard, Eric Olen, Josh Schertz, Ben McCollum, Bucky McMillan, heck even Niko Medved at Minnesota exceeding preseason expectations after having a roster decimated my season ending injuries. Some subset of the guys above had even less time as they coached their former teams in the tournament. 

 

Totally fair to critique the roster, but it was thrown together in a 2-3 week span. If the same problem persists next season....cya.

Also, Reneau couldn't get out of Bloomington fast enough. 

[Uspshoosier]

6 hours ago, Hornsby said:

but losing to teams like northwestern i cant imagine they have better talent or do they? I

The had more top 100 kids out of high school on their roster then this Indiana team and had more top 200 kids.   Bailey was ius 3rd highest rated recruit based on high school rankings at 188.   Indiana definitely had more unranked players on their roster however IU got forced twice by a kid unranked.   Either way all iu had to do was beat them once at home or on a neutral court and this flawed roster would of probably gotten in this year 

[Uspshoosier]

3 hours ago, HoosierDevils said:

Josh Schertz,

This is his second year.    He went 19-15 last year in his first year at St Louis