Transfer Portal w IU Interest

[Magisterium]

16 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Believe he is still IU

Evidently so.

[MikeRoberts]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

The $100 bet I extended to you yesterday is still on the table.

Fine, I didn’t reply to it because I don’t want to cheer against any IU player. 50+ made 3’s during regular season? Is that the bet?

[AH1971]

9 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

Lol, X and Trey could score and create.

At the level of Rice? Foolish

[AH1971]

Just now, MikeRoberts said:

Fine, I didn’t reply to it because I don’t want to cheer against any IU player. 50+ made 3’s during regular season? Is that the bet?

Yessir

[WayneFleekHoosier]

1 minute ago, Magisterium said:

Evidently so.

Yeah, glad we kept him.  He’s got great connections already in place. He switched his X profile pic when Dusty announced UM that led to the speculation.   It did seem odd but all signs point to good things for IU currently and going forward. 

[Magisterium]

2 minutes ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

Amir Williams cancelled his Florida visit - still visiting st Joe, creighton, IU and Kentucky all by next Monday. 

fwiw it looks like UK may have lost another 7-footer to the portal? Gonna be interesting to see how many players follow Cal to Arkansas

[dwtaylor1055]

Malik now following Ballo. I’m guessing this one gets wrapped up soon? Pure speculation 

[HoosierHoopster]

43 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Putting a cap in place would just revert back to teams that will/have aggressively cheated in the past to find ways around the new ‘rule’  - and pay over it, under the table. Not sure about your faith in the NCAA’s ability to enforce rules equitably, but mine is less than zero! The wild west is liberating to programs like IU…who have major fan bases and financial supporters—but didn’t have admins willing to do things under the table like most of the elite teams over the past 30 yrs. Wild West (free market) has at least provided us with an opportunity to swim in the same pool with some recruits, and maybe even be competitive. FYI .. it was never the drop ceilings! 
 

I get that free market ruins the purity of the game, wrecks continuity, potentially crushes mid-major long term competitiveness…but this is big business now, not idealistic amateurism. That still exists…just in non-revenue college sports!

Oh I understand where you’re coming from, but disagree. Just because some programs will cheat doesn’t mean you do away with rules.
Your main concern is already addressed— we have high NIL dollars that allows for us to compete at the top of the food chain in the portal. That doesn’t go away by putting a cap in place. Some will always cheat, break rules, but that’s the small minority and you don’t just do away with rules. What you do is develop a better enforcement mechanism.

[BGVille Hoosierfan]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Payne for $600k instead?

What’s the money matter to us fans? It’s the donors (Simons and Cooks) that need to worry about it. They are billionaires so this amount of money means very little to them. Drop $5M on him, I couldn’t care less, not my money lol.

[BGVille Hoosierfan]

1 hour ago, dwtaylor1055 said:

A cryptic tweet - two guards? Rice and Kanaan? Rice and Hickman? Kanaan and Hickman? My bet is he’s insinuating Rice and Hickman with Hick visiting today. 

 

we shall see!

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

[dwtaylor1055]

4 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

I’m here for it 

[Deserthoozier]

11 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Oh I understand where you’re coming from, but disagree. Just because some programs will cheat doesn’t mean you do away with rules.
Your main concern is already addressed— we have high NIL dollars that allows for us to compete at the top of the food chain in the portal. That doesn’t go away by putting a cap in place. Some will always cheat, break rules, but that’s the small minority and you don’t just do away with rules. What you do is develop a better enforcement mechanism.

Disagree strongly! Over the past 20-30 years, that small cheating ‘minority’ has solidly been the UK’s, Duke, Kansas (since forever), UNC, Arizona, Louisville..probably MSU in the B1G… and others that are continuously lauded as the true blue bloods with the top tier coaches. Strong argument to be made that having a really good cheating system in place has had more impact on winning than having an outstanding coach.
 

Open up no rule NIL and player transferability where everyone’s able to compete on a more level playing field-and surprise…all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of parity as we’ve seen immediately in the past 2-3 years. Even some mid-major boats have been lifted. I get it’s out of control, creates mercenaries for hire chasing the top $$$, creates farm system of mid majors, compromises team/player continuity that we all historically have enjoyed. But, the second a ‘cap’ is instituted there’s going to be a meeting of Kansas boosters directly connected to Bill Self to determine how they can ‘help’ overcome any potential cap obstacles - just like they used when there was a very specific cap…$0! 
 

Someone mentioned above-likely move is to a model where players are employees and have formal contracts. Agree, and thats  fine - we just better be competitive in the process for determining how much to put on the table…and for finding ‘supplemental’ revenue streams..cause that’s where it jumps to - immediately. Or we can dwell in middle of the road…and keep pointing to the ole banners for another 40 years.

[Jam]

19 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

So if the Isiah statue was posted for Rice, is this photo suggesting two MORE shooters?

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

It's expected but not guaranteed.  That's the problem.  

There are a few expectations:

1.  Players numbers improve as  they get older.  The biggest jump is from freshman to sophomore but there is a smaller jump from sophomore to junior.

2.  Someone going from a mid major conference would expect to see their numbers drop because of better competition.  The average defense rating of the MVC by KenPom would have been 13th in the Big Ten.

Basically you would expect Carlyle's numbers to increase and Conwell's to decrease.  If they do, the question is then by how much.  I am expecting that numbers in the end will be relatively close.  If that's the case, I want the guy who wants to be at Indiana more.

[Trish]

15 minutes ago, Jam said:

So if the Isiah statue was posted for Rice, is this photo suggesting two MORE shooters?

I think it’s just a suggestion of two future Hoosiers and that’s it. Nothing in particular to the shooting ability. 

[RaceToTheTop]

36 minutes ago, BGVille Hoosierfan said:

That is 2 of the best shooters to come through IU. That was posted for Hickman. He posted the statue of Isaiah (greatest point guard in program history) yesterday for Myles Rice. Adam knows what he’s doing!

Or he could be posting a picture of two players because of two commitments.

[HoosierHoopster]

29 minutes ago, Deserthoozier said:

Disagree strongly! Over the past 20-30 years, that small cheating ‘minority’ has solidly been the UK’s, Duke, Kansas (since forever), UNC, Arizona, Louisville..probably MSU in the B1G… and others that are continuously lauded as the true blue bloods with the top tier coaches. Strong argument to be made that having a really good cheating system in place has had more impact on winning than having an outstanding coach.
 

Open up no rule NIL and player transferability where everyone’s able to compete on a more level playing field-and surprise…all of a sudden there seems to be a great deal of parity as we’ve seen immediately in the past 2-3 years. Even some mid-major boats have been lifted. I get it’s out of control, creates mercenaries for hire chasing the top $$$, creates farm system of mid majors, compromises team/player continuity that we all historically have enjoyed. But, the second a ‘cap’ is instituted there’s going to be a meeting of Kansas boosters directly connected to Bill Self to determine how they can ‘help’ overcome any potential cap obstacles - just like they used when there was a very specific cap…$0! 
 

Someone mentioned above-likely move is to a model where players are employees and have formal contracts. Agree, and thats  fine - we just better be competitive in the process for determining how much to put on the table…and for finding ‘supplemental’ revenue streams..cause that’s where it jumps to - immediately. Or we can dwell in middle of the road…and keep pointing to the ole banners for another 40 years.

Ok we can disagree. At one point above you say no rule NIL brings a level playing field - parity. It doesn’t it brings leverage to bigger programs with more money and will kill mid majors, and some majors who don’t have that NIL funding. That’s exactly why the NBA has a cap. The way around that is to exceed the cap and incur the tax penalty— but unlike what you’re talking about, which absolutely does not build parity, the cap in the NBA has multiple teams competing, just look at the playoffs right now.

There’s certainly different ways to address how to enforce the cap at the college level. The current NCAA, which may or not be a thing of the past sometime, is not it. But just assuming that the NCAA’s failures in the past reflect what would happen under a new enforcement mechanism is baseless 

[coonhounds]

The rules are you can pay players now. Iu who sucks but sells out assembly hall almost every game should be dropping top dollar to get top talent! Salvaging what's left of the diehard fans and getting new bandwagon fans should be immediately addressed. We have to compete at the highest level and the money will be returned in a big way. However if Woodson truly can't coach could be a huge waste lol. Have to try. Let's pay these guys and let's roll

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[RaceToTheTop]

1 hour ago, Magisterium said:

fwiw it looks like UK may have lost another 7-footer to the portal? Gonna be interesting to see how many players follow Cal to Arkansas

They did and the one they lost could be a real unicorn.  Played half a season for them last year -- Croatian kid who didn't cleared by the NCAA until second semester.  Name is Zvonimir Ivisic.  Played in 15 games, averaged 12 mpg, 5.5 ppg, 3.3 rpg.  The unicorn part is he's 7'2" and not plays the post but can shoot as well -- made 6 of 16 threes in those 15 games last year and shot 77% from the line.  Shot blocker as well.

[dwtaylor1055]

Doesn’t look like Ya but is it him? Or Rice’s dad maybe?