Transfer Portal w IU Interest

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2 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

DeVries certainly isn’t splashy.  Gonna be interesting to see if what he’s building is good enough.  Computers got us hovering around 30-40.   Might be able to break top 25 with the right finishing moves.  

Would be nice to start high as computers are a factor throughout. However it looks like we will have to earn it.  

Wilkerson was Splashy, but no way our roster has any appearance of a top 10 paid roster.  I find it interesting despite apparently having the resources.  

 I’ll be honest I love an off-season where we are talked about on all the pods and national circles.  Part of that is coach respect.  We’ve got a rebuild of sorts going on here still.  

Definitely agree we're going to have to earn it. I don't really care much about the computer rankings preseason.

And I think until the staff can build some real HS recruiting momentum, we'll have to rely on talent evaluation done in the portal and hope the guys DDV picks out work well here. For me that is a fun part of a new staff, not chasing stars and ratings like Woody did but finding hidden gems and building a cohesive team that's better than the sum of its parts. I think DDV has a good track record there.

The offseason hype and national speculation IMO will always exist on some level because it's Indiana. This first cycle is bound to be the trickiest since the roster will be built entirely in the portal. Some combination of continuity/player development and raw talent is definitely needed. The raw talent is just inherently a hard get IMO particularly for a coach at a new job, even if he has a lot of money to pay.

It gives me confidence that he seems to be over indexing on shooting and filtering for culture fit. Should be a team that plays hard and is fun to watch on offense at least, I think. Super interested to see how we round out the roster. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Definitely agree we're going to have to earn it. I don't really care much about the computer rankings preseason.
And I think until the staff can build some real HS recruiting momentum, we'll have to rely on talent evaluation done in the portal and hope the guys DDV picks out work well here. For me that is a fun part of a new staff, not chasing stars and ratings like Woody did but finding hidden gems and building a cohesive team that's better than the sum of its parts. I think DDV has a good track record there.
The offseason hype and national speculation IMO will always exist on some level because it's Indiana. This first cycle is bound to be the trickiest since the roster will be built entirely in the portal. Some combination of continuity/player development and raw talent is definitely needed. The raw talent is just inherently a hard get IMO particularly for a coach at a new job, even if he has a lot of money to pay.
It gives me confidence that he seems to be over indexing on shooting and filtering for culture fit. Should be a team that plays hard and is fun to watch on offense at least, I think. Super interested to see how we round out the roster. 

Agreed. It’s very intriguing. A different style of hoops is going to be refreshing. Just feels like we are a long ways off. Lotta teams loaded up.


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[Jeff Flabjohns]

20 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

DeVries certainly isn’t splashy.  Gonna be interesting to see if what he’s building is good enough.  Computers got us hovering around 30-40.   Might be able to break top 25 with the right finishing moves.  

Would be nice to start high as computers are a factor throughout. However it looks like we will have to earn it.  
 

Wilkerson was Splashy, but no way our roster has any appearance of a top 10 paid roster.  I find it interesting despite apparently having the resources.  
 

I’ll be honest I love an off-season where we are talked about on all the pods and national circles.  Part of that is coach respect.  We’ve got a rebuild of sorts going on here still.  
 

 

I’m guilty of it too, but it’s easy to forget sometimes that we’re getting Tucker Devries. He’s a top 20 transfer for a reason…but being the coach’s kid it doesn’t carry some of the same cache. 
The roster is gonna be loaded 

[lillurk]

I like Jason Drake because I think the offensive profile will play as a bench guard, AND the scheduled St. John’s visit tells me he’ll defend and play hard. Good combination.

[Papacap]

40 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I’d trade our roster with about 30-40 teams and feel good about it.   That’s not ideal. 

Would you trade it for portal haul last year? 
I'm not saying this is you but it amazes me that people put any stock in portal player rankings. Also, to my knowledge, we aren’t done yet. 

[Uspshoosier]

49 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

However it looks like we will have to earn it

 

[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, Papacap said:

Would you trade it for portal haul last year? 
I'm not saying this is you but it amazes me that people put any stock in portal player rankings. Also, to my knowledge, we aren’t done yet. 

Might be a better question after the season and we see how much coaching was involved with those misses. In any event, you’ll probably have some misses every so often anyways. We’ll get to see a good dose of Rice this year with a good coach. If he looks more like the guy from the Tenn scrimmage than he did at the end of the year it will make Woodys haul last year a lot better (but make his coaching look even worse).  
 

I’d say from last year Ballo was pretty much as advertised, I think Rice was mostly a coaching issue, Carlyle was a miss, Goode was as advertised, and Hatton was as advertised. Tucker was a frosh but late add so if we throw him in I think he was a miss too.  
 

I think whatever mins we get at C likely won’t be as good as Ballo. And our haul so far is light on defense, so that’s not a small thing. But if the perimeters brought in by CDD aren’t markedly better—and clearly coached up better—than last years group we’re in big trouble. Right now I feel pretty confident they will be. 

[Asha’man]

43 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Agreed. It’s very intriguing. A different style of hoops is going to be refreshing. Just feels like we are a long ways off. Lotta teams loaded up.


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Long way off from who? Guess it depends on expectations for year 1. I just want to safely be in the dance. But I also bet DeVries wants to make a run as it’s his son’s last year. He is taking players to make a team and coach them up. 
 

I think as we get rolling with high school recruiting then things will stabilize but so far I see a roster that’s only half put together and the computers have us ranked where we should expect to be in the dance. Let’s see how the rest fills out. 
 

Also, go look at all the star rankings for Purdue. They are mediocre. Yet Painter knows how to build a team and they will be a top team next year. It’s not about stats if you know what you’re looking for. We will find out this fall if coach got it right or not. But his track record is one of success. 

[Okram]

The roster isn’t complete and we will see what we have in November.

Carlyle was #15 in the portal rankings last year and Ryan Conwell was #86. I wanted to get Conwell, but Carlyle was certainly “splashier.”  

We’ll see. 

[str8baller]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Computers got us hovering around 30-40.

How well have computers been predicting the jumbled mess that has been offseason NIL transfers the last couple years?  

[Hoosierfanyuh]

It’s not like every player on our team so far wasn’t coveted by other P5 teams lol 

[go iu bb]

4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

How well have computers been predicting the jumbled mess that has been offseason NIL transfers the last couple years?  

They've pretty much had IU overrated every offseason recently. But that is probably due to the Woodson Effect. I don't know about other schools.

[Golfman25]

Guys, it's not the talent at an individual level.  It's how that talent works as a team.  It's multiplication.  We learned that lesson last year.    

[Blue 2 Green]

What am I missing about Blake Harper?  His numbers are pretty comparable to Elyjah Freeman's at a little higher usage and against division I athletes.  Still, he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of interest from high majors.  Being from D.C. I would've thought he would have been one of Kenny Johnson's first calls and even more so after Freeman chose Auburn.  Harper may not have Freeman's athleticism but he has grown five inches in less than two years and might need more time to get used to his frame in order to reach his ceiling.  He might even still be growing.  DeVries' old boss got him to visit Omaha so playing close to home might not be the deal breaker it was once thought to be.  Anyone?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

I’m guilty of it too, but it’s easy to forget sometimes that we’re getting Tucker Devries. He’s a top 20 transfer for a reason…but being the coach’s kid it doesn’t carry some of the same cache. 
The roster is gonna be loaded 

I don’t know about loaded. A lot of mid majors we hope translates. I generally believe shooting translates. I’m excited about Wilkerson, DeVries. I think Conerwell will be interesting on defense. Idk. Miles looks the part somewhat but played on a bad team. Bailey looks like he’ll be fun on offense. Does it translate against taller, better athletes? Just a lot of questions, as there always will be.

The computers that do a fairly good job of stacking us up versus other teams has us around 40. Seems about right, I suppose.

A team that plays for each other though can make waves. That’s the hope.


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3 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I don’t know about loaded. A lot of mid majors we hope translates. I generally believe shooting translates. I’m excited about Wilkerson, DeVries. I think Conerwell will be interesting on defense. Idk. Miles looks the part somewhat but played on a bad team. Bailey looks like he’ll be fun on offense. Does it translate against taller, better athletes? Just a lot of questions, as there always will be.

The computers that do a fairly good job of stacking us up versus other teams has us around 40. Seems about right, I suppose.

A team that plays for each other though can make waves. That’s the hope.


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Feel like our team is still so incomplete to look at computers. There’s still like 6 schollys open. Teams like Kentucky have filled up  their entire 14. Hypothetically adding Federico and getting goode back gets us up to around 25-26ish on Bart torviks roster cast. I think if we’re a top 25 team our first year I’ll be very happy

[Stuhoo]

I have two thoughts that seem contradictory but are actually congruent:

1) I am very interested in the pieces that CDD thinks are worthy and their quality and stats.

Yet ultimately 

2) I don’t give a rat’s @$$ how well-regarded our new players are. I just care how well they play together and how much they WIN.

[Demo]

17 minutes ago, Blue 2 Green said:

What am I missing about Blake Harper?  His numbers are pretty comparable to Elyjah Freeman's at a little higher usage and against division I athletes.  Still, he doesn't seem to be getting a lot of interest from high majors.  Being from D.C. I would've thought he would have been one of Kenny Johnson's first calls and even more so after Freeman chose Auburn.  Harper may not have Freeman's athleticism but he has grown five inches in less than two years and might need more time to get used to his frame in order to reach his ceiling.  He might even still be growing.  DeVries' old boss got him to visit Omaha so playing close to home might not be the deal breaker it was once thought to be.  Anyone?

Been paying some attention to that one too for the same reasons you have. I have no idea what the scoop is there, but given how few high majors have been attached to him, and none of them are the local schools, I imagine it’s 1 of 2 things: 1) sky high financial expectations or, 2) something not strictly on-court related that’s not passing muster with some people. Can’t really see a kid with 3 years of eligibility not more in play unless something’s making people say woah. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

5 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I have two thoughts that seem contradictory but are actually congruent:

1) I am very interested in the pieces that CDD thinks are worthy and their quality and stats.

Yet ultimately 

2) I don’t give a rat’s @$$ how well-regarded our new players are. I just care how well they play together and how much they WIN.

100%

[steubenhoosier]

12 minutes ago, Demo said:

Been paying some attention to that one too for the same reasons you have. I have no idea what the scoop is there, but given how few high majors have been attached to him, and none of them are the local schools, I imagine it’s 1 of 2 things: 1) sky high financial expectations or, 2) something not strictly on-court related that’s not passing muster with some people. Can’t really see a kid with 3 years of eligibility not more in play unless something’s making people say woah. 

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/inside-look-at-life-as-one-of-the-most-tampered-with-players-in-college-basketball
 

Sounds like a great young man with a good head on his shoulders. His dad has coached him and has lots of connections in the college coaching world. Hopefully, KJ is one of them