They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[str8baller]

12 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

The problem with that scenario is that the front court defense will be...not good...barring huge leaps from Mbgako and Reneau.

I don’t think the defense is going to be good in any scenario, and it isn’t because of personnel.  To be competitive, it’ll have to be like one of Creans teams that could run and shoot, which is an odd thought for a Woodson coached team. 

[Stuhoo]

38 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

So the best case scenario is:

Portal PG

Portal SG

McNeeley

Mbgako 

Reneau

Galloway (6th man)

The problem with that scenario is that the front court defense will be...not good...barring huge leaps from Mbgako and Reneau.

Those Portal guards not only need to bring about 25-30 PPG, but they'll also need to be world class on-ball defenders. Otherwise, with Reneau as the rim protector, he's likely to foul out after 15-20 MPG.

An underrated massive addition to the best case scenario:

If Jakai Newton is healthy and in the rotation.

 

[Tom White]

12 hours ago, KathywithaC said:

Woody didn’t get hired because he’s black. A trustee was very public regarding Mike and her feelings if he wasn’t to be retained, and Herbert drove the bus for Sampson, which included a diversity as a component. But I’ve never once heard Woody’s skin color invoked by anyone.

One of the best things that could happen is, after that disgusting post from kentuckysucks, maybe he and his ilk will actually carry through with their threats to actually go away.

[Ryno6284]

My burning question is…why are the guys playing so much harder now? If Dolson did indeed have a players meeting, what was said? Guys, if you want coach to be here next year, you gotta give me a reason to keep him. Or, guys if you don’t want woody here, you gotta give me a reason to leak the vote of confidence that way Woody can “retire” at the end of the season. Something isn’t adding up from what we have been seeing,hearing!

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, Tom White said:

One of the best things that could happen is, after that disgusting post from kentuckysucks, maybe he and his ilk will actually carry through with their threats to actually go away.

It is very disturbing after reading that, recalling all the times he has said things like "I assure you next year will get VERY ugly" and saying it would be worse than what Davis went through. Almost as if it were a threat. 

[Ryno6284]

4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

An underrated massive addition to the best case scenario:

Jakai Newton is healthy and in the rotation.

 

I want to believe, but hard to when you have a knee problem that has been lingering for 18+- months.

[AKHoosier]

2 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

My burning question is…why are the guys playing so much harder now? If Dolson did indeed have a players meeting, what was said? Guys, if you want coach to be here next year, you gotta give me a reason to keep him. Or, guys if you don’t want woody here, you gotta give me a reason to leak the vote of confidence that way Woody can “retire” at the end of the season. Something isn’t adding up from what we have been seeing,hearing!

Auditioning for potential teams when the transfer portal opens.

[Ryno6284]

Just now, AKHoosier said:

Auditioning for potential teams when the transfer portal opens.

I think we would be seeing selfish basketball though. This is a cohesive looking group now. What I expected all season!

[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Also proves just how deeply unserious they are about this program. They'd rather save the blackeye and keep one of their own then do what's best for the program.

Unserious or incompetent, but I don’t think it matters much which it is. This has been a 20+ year experience.   
 

To be somewhat fair to the administration—not that they deserve it—the optics of firing a liked former star player in 3 years when you gave the awful Archie regime 4 years was always going to be brutal. That was a big part of the basis for my belief that he was always getting a 4th year. Woody helped alleviate those optics a bit by being so bad this year, but I think that ultimately he was getting 4 years. It’s the IU way.

 

Like I’ve said before, you don’t destroy great programs by firing coaches too early. You destroy them by keeping bad or mediocre coaches too long. It’s the one thing the fans and media get absolutely backwards. 

[Stuhoo]

9 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If they decide to keep Woodson they will open the NIL bank for him. Saving themselves 20 million potentially by not moving on.


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^THIS^!!!! 

[dwtaylor1055]

so does this thread die in the short term or will this continue onwards to 1000 pages?

[Stuhoo]

9 hours ago, steubenhoosier said:

This coach has his team playing their best ball at the end of the season.

When was the last time that statement could be made?

Last year. And the year before last year. 

[KNOBYDOX]

I hope nobody explains Woodsons buyout to him. He might get his feelings hurt again.

[Herotime]

[J34]

9 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I will send you a DM tomorrow to explain everything. And I will pass on to everyone what a couple of IU coaches think of Woody. 

Any chance for a DM?

[HinnyHoosier]

I hope it's widespread apathy from the fans that sets in rather than outrage. Anger keeps fans engaged. No attention is more effective than negative attention in the long run. 

And I think it's going to be a long, long run...

[IU_FanClub]

Honestly the last few weeks have been the least fun I have ever had as an IU fan, not knowing whether or not winning would hurt us. After sleeping on it, I think I would rather not do that again haha. We have fired coaches before and it has gotten us to right here so I am willing to see how this goes. Go Hoosiers let's go win the BTT!

[MrBBall]

3 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

I hope it's widespread apathy from the fans that sets in rather than outrage. Anger keeps fans engaged. No attention is more effective than negative attention in the long run. 

And I think it's going to be a long, this

Edited March 7, 2024 by MrBBall

[reconmkd]

I am at a loss, I just don't understand how there can be so many in the media jumping aboard the let's move on train, all of the smoke flaming from "insiders," and not have one single statement from Dolson, Buckner, or anyone at IU. Just an article by Osterman? I have come to terms that he will be back next year, but nothing about what has transgressed in the last 24 hours makes any sense. I'm not on Peegs, but to hear everything that was coming out from him, then to hear the podcast he did right before the game last night, you would have never believed he said any of that stuff. As a late arrival to the dump Woody train, I feel a little bushwhacked 

[Shooter]

36 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

So the best case scenario is:

Portal PG

Portal SG

McNeeley

Mbgako 

Reneau

Galloway (6th man)

The problem with that scenario is that the front court defense will be...not good...barring huge leaps from Mbgako and Reneau.

Those Portal guards not only need to bring about 25-30 PPG, but they'll also need to be world class on-ball defenders. Otherwise, with Reneau as the rim protector, he's likely to foul out after 15-20 MPG.

This lineup could be decent next year. Could be really good on offense. And Gallo works fine as a starter if he's surrounded by shooters. But based on Woodson's track record and public comments, it seems more likely we replace Ware with a worse center from the portal and go big again. I wouldn't be shocked if he starts Liam at the 2.

My concerns with Woodson go beyond the prospects for next season. He's not building a program. In three recruiting classes, he has only brought in two multi-year "building block" type players, Reneau and Cupps - and it's not clear yet if Cupps is good enough. He's done well on a few high end recruits and portal guys. But we shouldn't have 5-7 open spots every spring.