They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[go iu bb]

49 minutes ago, IUHAHN81 said:

Since Woodson is toast, let's start the real chat! What kinda toast is he? Sourdough? Burnt? 

Sourdough is the best so he's obviously not that. The question is what do you have against sourdough?

[CSP]

28 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

So what I can gather from Tyme and SDB is...it's the fans fault for having too high of expectations for the program. It's not all on the coach, and there are problems with the program that the coach can't fix...even a coach that was given $6 million to build a roster, that those same burners were bragging about in the off season...now that it's not working, those deep rooted problems are again the issue. 

To fix it, you have to burn it down to the ground, and then have zero expectations for the new coach or team in order for that coach to be able to be successful? Fan expectations are killing our coaches and keeping top talent from wanting to play here. 

Am I getting that right?

Well heck... SDB is currently telling me how well Iowa played lol 

 

27 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Saw some idiot on X saying it's a "race" issue for fans wanting Woody gone. Wrong! It's a winning issue, effort issue, and result issue. Tom Crean won 2 B1G championships in 4 years and got fired! If Woodson and his paid social media advocates want him to retain his job, then win something against someone worth note. What's his record vs Top 25 teams as IU HC? What's his record v Top 25 teams ATS? Nothing personal, dude just doesn't have the drive to be a successful college coach

This has been said a couple of times, I was PISSED at Ant Wright for kinda playing along with that the other day from an IUBB fan that insinuated that. BS claims. 

[Napleshoosier]

Teams have a habit of taking on their coaches persona.  That’s what we have.

[IUCrazy2]

10 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Saw some idiot on X saying it's a "race" issue for fans wanting Woody gone. Wrong! It's a winning issue, effort issue, and result issue. Tom Crean won 2 B1G championships in 4 years and got fired! If Woodson and his paid social media advocates want him to retain his job, then win something against someone worth note. What's his record vs Top 25 teams as IU HC? What's his record v Top 25 teams ATS? Nothing personal, dude just doesn't have the drive to be a successful college coach

Woodson treats IU basketball like a retired guy treats a new hobby.  That is the sum total of the issue.

As far as Tyme and SDB saying that Woody (anybody really) can't win here because of too many things the fanbase needs to let go of, list them.  The people who interfere in the program are the ONLY reason Woodson had the job to begin with.  This fanbase took to paying players like gangbusters.  I think the kind of style of play that would interest people is the kind that ends with Indiana having more points at the end of the majority of their games than their opponents.  What traditions are still around that are holding the team back?  The candy striped pants?  No names on the back?  The cheerleader outfits?  I mean, that would be some dumb ahit to argue but they are free to. 

Honestly, what it all comes down to is the people who have run this **** show for so long have done such a terrific job of completely ruining the brand that they need the fan base to bot drop all expectations while also continuing to support them like a top tier program.  Those two dumbasses hopefully don't speak for the program in any down low official capacity because they both are losers with a losers mentality.  Although that would explain the past two decades if they are involved.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

18 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

So what I can gather from Tyme and SDB is...it's the fans fault for having too high of expectations for the program. It's not all on the coach, and there are problems with the program that the coach can't fix...even a coach that was given $6 million to build a roster, that those same burners were bragging about in the off season...now that it's not working, those deep rooted problems are again the issue. 

To fix it, you have to burn it down to the ground, and then have zero expectations for the new coach or team in order for that coach to be able to be successful? Fan expectations are killing our coaches and keeping top talent from wanting to play here. 

Am I getting that right?

seems you are.  

[OKHOOSIER]

10 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Saw some idiot on X saying it's a "race" issue for fans wanting Woody gone. Wrong! It's a winning issue, effort issue, and result issue. Tom Crean won 2 B1G championships in 4 years and got fired! If Woodson and his paid social media advocates want him to retain his job, then win something against someone worth note. What's his record vs Top 25 teams as IU HC? What's his record v Top 25 teams ATS? Nothing personal, dude just doesn't have the drive to be a successful college coach

14-30 Quad 1 

31-40 Quad 1&2 Combined which gives us a winning % of .442 in games against decent competition. 

Which is 2 hundredths of a point off Woody’s NBA head coaching record of .419– say what you want about Woody at least he’s consistent. You were constantly toying with us Tom. Either be consistently good or consistently bad, pick one!

Jokes aside, it’s actually pretty wild how close his coaching record in CBB matches his NBA record if you throw out the cupcakes lol

[Scotty R]

There is a guy on HSN that could be Tyme or whatever his name is. IndianaResident16 is the username and he is over there arguing with everyone why IU is struggling. His main response is the coach loses the fan base to quickly and should be given more time. He is saying that the IU job isn't what it use to be so you won't be getting the top coaches because of the culture around the program.

[ap2345]

2 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is a guy on HSN that could be Time or whatever his name is. IndianaResident16 is the username and he is over there arguing with everyone why IU is struggling. His main response is the coach loses the fan base to quickly and should be given more time. He is saying that the IU job isn't what it use to be so you won't be getting the top coaches because of the culture around the program.

He's annoying. Has been ever since he joined. 

[AKHoosier]

22 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

So what I can gather from Tyme and SDB is...it's the fans fault for having too high of expectations for the program. It's not all on the coach, and there are problems with the program that the coach can't fix...even a coach that was given $6 million to build a roster, that those same burners were bragging about in the off season...now that it's not working, those deep rooted problems are again the issue. 

To fix it, you have to burn it down to the ground, and then have zero expectations for the new coach or team in order for that coach to be able to be successful? Fan expectations are killing our coaches and keeping top talent from wanting to play here. 

Am I getting that right?

You could sum it up more succinctly by saying he (Woodson and the burner brigade) wants all of the credit when things go well, but none of the blame when things go poorly.

[hoosierbannerd]

13 minutes ago, Napleshoosier said:

Teams have a habit of taking on their coaches persona.  That’s what we have.

I wanna see player pics of smoking cigars and drinking wine then damnit...

[Hoosierfan2017]

26 minutes ago, monskisprodigy said:

So what I can gather from Tyme and SDB is...it's the fans fault for having too high of expectations for the program. It's not all on the coach, and there are problems with the program that the coach can't fix...even a coach that was given $6 million to build a roster, that those same burners were bragging about in the off season...now that it's not working, those deep rooted problems are again the issue. 

To fix it, you have to burn it down to the ground, and then have zero expectations for the new coach or team in order for that coach to be able to be successful? Fan expectations are killing our coaches and keeping top talent from wanting to play here. 

Am I getting that right?

One of their worst takes (of which there are many) is that the players are feeling so much pressure from the fanbase and are being crushed by it. I’m sorry, but idk many low stress jobs that pay $500k or more. High-level D1 basketball isn’t the place you go if you want a pressure free environment. 

[CSP]

14 minutes ago, Napleshoosier said:

Teams have a habit of taking on their coaches persona.  That’s what we have.

oh 100%

[realTomCrean]

10 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Woodson treats IU basketball like a retired guy treats a new hobby.  That is the sum total of the issue.

As far as Tyme and SDB saying that Woody (anybody really) can't win here because of too many things the fanbase needs to let go of, list them.  The people who interfere in the program are the ONLY reason Woodson had the job to begin with.  This fanbase took to paying players like gangbusters.  I think the kind of style of play that would interest people is the kind that ends with Indiana having more points at the end of the majority of their games than their opponents.  What traditions are still around that are holding the team back?  The candy striped pants?  No names on the back?  The cheerleader outfits?  I mean, that would be some dumb ahit to argue but they are free to. 

Honestly, what it all comes down to is the people who have run this **** show for so long have done such a terrific job of completely ruining the brand that they need the fan base to bot drop all expectations while also continuing to support them like a top tier program.  Those two dumbasses hopefully don't speak for the program in any down low official capacity because they both are losers with a losers mentality.  Although that would explain the past two decades if they are involved.

IUCRAZY2 POSTER OF THE YEAR POY POY POY! Would love to drink a beer with you - scorched Earth on these mugs

[IUCrazy2]

7 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is a guy on HSN that could be Tyme or whatever his name is. IndianaResident16 is the username and he is over there arguing with everyone why IU is struggling. His main response is the coach loses the fan base to quickly and should be given more time. He is saying that the IU job isn't what it use to be so you won't be getting the top coaches because of the culture around the program.

I don't think you need a big name coach anymore.  You get a system guy and then have people holding a big bag.  And the system doesn't necessarily even matter, although I think you take a look at what the SEC is doing right now and emulate that if you ask me....but get a good coach and then back him with money and you should be fine.

[Chris007]

16 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Well heck... SDB is currently telling me how good Iowa played lol 

 

This has been said a couple of times, I was PISSED at Ant Wright for kinda playing along with that the other day from an IUBB fan that insinuated that. BS claims. 

I'm gathering some intel on him right now

[realTomCrean]

9 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

You were constantly toying with us Tom. Either be consistently good or consistently bad, pick one!

As my successor would note, the shots were open they just didn't make them. Not Tom Crean's job to make the shot

[Chris007]

9 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is a guy on HSN that could be Tyme or whatever his name is. IndianaResident16 is the username and he is over there arguing with everyone why IU is struggling. His main response is the coach loses the fan base to quickly and should be given more time. He is saying that the IU job isn't what it use to be so you won't be getting the top coaches because of the culture around the program.

How long has he been posting?

[CSP]

1 minute ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

One of their worst takes (of which there are many) is that the players are feeling so much pressure from the fanbase and are being crushed by it. I’m sorry, but idk many low stress jobs that pay $500k or more. High-level D1 basketball isn’t the place you go if you want a pressure free environment. 

I grew up privileged.... very. (mostly because my dad worked his balls off)

I teach in a VERY not-privileged area.... I can't imagine walking up to some of these single mom's, kids that live with grandparents, kids that have both parents in prison for drugs and Mackenzie Mgbako telling them he's got it hard lololololol

[CrossboneIU22]

4 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Some people just love to coach. Miss it after they haven't done it for a while. Who else could have on their resume NBA Championship and CBB Championship? Larry Brown?

 

4 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Maybe. Maybe he and Dolson are good friends and have just chatted the last year because that is what good friends do. But I've never known of them having a personal relationship with each other. One thing we know is that time will tell. 

 

4 hours ago, ap2345 said:

Nothing Brad has done in his career has had a prior precedent. There's also a very recent even more outlandish move that happened in college sports and if you've listened there's good logic that could apply to Brad and coaching in college as well. 

 

Maybe Brad comes back as the General Manager for the Hoosiers (similar to the role that Purdue just hired someone for in football) and then Dusty or McCollum as the head coach??

[CSP]

11 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

There is a guy on HSN that could be Tyme or whatever his name is. IndianaResident16 is the username and he is over there arguing with everyone why IU is struggling. His main response is the coach loses the fan base to quickly and should be given more time. He is saying that the IU job isn't what it use to be so you won't be getting the top coaches because of the culture around the program.

IndyRes posts here