They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Golfman25]

Coach Cig is "arrogant."  He's got a set of king kong sized balls.  Talking about getting used to driving to Indy because they'll be in the Championship game, etc.  A very confident dude.  

However, by all accounts a few months in, he's a pretty good dude too.  Handles the press fine.  Shows up at events.  Etc.  

You can be both.  

[JSHoosier]

9 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Coach Cig is "arrogant."  He's got a set of king kong sized balls.  Talking about getting used to driving to Indy because they'll be in the Championship game, etc.  A very confident dude.  

However, by all accounts a few months in, he's a pretty good dude too.  Handles the press fine.  Shows up at events.  Etc.  

You can be both.  

There can be a fine line between confidence and arrogant but there is a difference.

Things I've heard from Cignetti sounds like someone very confident in his system and coaching, a few comments can come across arrogant but generally just seems very confident. With his track record, albeit at lower conferences, it's warranted but he'll still adjust his style of play or incorporate new things he sees. He was also willing to speak to another IU team when asked.

Woodson doesn't have that track record and so far hasn't shown much ,if any, willingness to change his way of doing things; this roster is better but it's TBD if he actually adjusts. Yet he'll refer to himself in 3rd person, says "I don't have to answer that to you or the fans", says he did his job while missing the tournament, refused to speak to another IU team and according to Chris has little to no respect for the women's program that's currently better than the men's. Woodson even had to be told to go to sectionals.

[IUFAN1976]

4 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

There can be a fine line between confidence and arrogant but there is a difference.

Things I've heard from Cignetti sounds like someone very confident in his system and coaching, a few comments can come across arrogant but generally just seems very confident. With his track record, albeit at lower conferences, it's warranted but he'll still adjust his style of play or incorporate new things he sees. He was also willing to speak to another IU team when asked.

Woodson doesn't have that track record and so far hasn't shown much ,if any, willingness to change his way of doing things; this roster is better but it's TBD if he actually adjusts. Yet he'll refer to himself in 3rd person, says "I don't have to answer that to you or the fans", says he did his job while missing the tournament, refused to speak to another IU team and according to Chris has little to no respect for the women's program that's currently better than the men's. Woodson even had to be told to go to sectionals.

Exactly this!  Now I may have used the arrogance term a little loosely but by reading these posts, we all agree that Woodson comes off sort of unprofessional, standoff-ish, defensive, dismissive, maybe portraying an image of a god-like complex by acting he’s above everyone, etc….  And calling out fans because they don’t kiss his butt, and put pressure on him by calling then non-true fans is classless, IMO.  By reading these latest posts, this list can go on and on.  
 

He’s got a lot of things to undo, and by constructing a good roster doesn’t give him a free pass.  He’s got to win and he’s got to win for everyone in the program, including us fans!  I will never root for us to lose, I want us to win and I don’t care if it cost us $6 million, because it is win at all cost these days!

GO HOOSIERS!!!!

[Stuhoo]

26 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Exactly this!  Now I may have used the arrogance term a little loosely but by reading these posts, we all agree that Woodson comes off sort of unprofessional, standoff-ish, defensive, dismissive, maybe portraying an image of a god-like complex by acting he’s above everyone, etc….  And calling out fans because they don’t kiss his butt, and put pressure on him by calling then non-true fans is classless, IMO.  By reading these latest posts, this list can go on and on.  
 

He’s got a lot of things to undo, and by constructing a good roster doesn’t give him a free pass.  He’s got to win and he’s got to win for everyone in the program, including us fans!  I will never root for us to lose, I want us to win and I don’t care if it cost us $6 million, because it is win at all cost these days!

GO HOOSIERS!!!!

We do not all agree.

About five or ten posters on this board have been repeatedly clear that they strongly agree with each other. Most posters on this message board, a place for airing of grievances, disagree with what you stated as something we “all” agree with.

[Dave from Dayton]

48 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

We do not all agree. About five or ten posters n this board have been repeatedly clear that they strongly agree with each other.

That is true.  We do not all agree.

And those that think that IU should win at all costs are missing a few things that are really important.  We all want to have IU basketball (and other sports) win a lot.  

 Not getting guards and having a limited and flawed roster made last year a tough row to hoe.  Coach Woodson's substitutions by platooning were controversial.  And with the roster's limits, his game plans were also questionable.

Dissing Coach Woodson's performance really does not bother me.  He gets paid and he can handle it or get out of the kitchen.

I think that he says stuff possibly to take the heat off of the team.  But what do I know?

But when it gets personal or endless, that is not good form.  And I am not saying that mediocrity is ok. And it is a public forum that is geared to provide such a platform for opinions and information.

I am of the (old?) school that believes that while we are here, we should be focused on something other than to just to entertain ourselves. And the public school that is Indiana University has other obligations to the community and students and the future beyond having sports wins.  

Now having said that...this team had better win big or I will start agreeing with the fans beyond the barbed wire...of course I said that exact thing over two decades ago.  (Time to grab my fishing gear or weed the vegetable and herb garden or look for a good hiking place in the woods or live music...or better yet...find someone that needs a little help and provide some.)

 

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, Dave from Dayton said:

That is true.  We do not all agree.

And those that think that IU should win at all costs are missing a few things that are really important.  We all want to have IU basketball (and other sports) win a lot.  

 Not getting guards and having a limited and flawed roster made last year a tough row to hoe.  Coach Woodson's substitutions by platooning were controversial.  And with the roster's limits, his game plans were also questionable.

Dissing Coach Woodson's performance really does not bother me.  He gets paid and he can handle it or get out of the kitchen.

I think that he says stuff possibly to take the heat off of the team.  But what do I know?

But when it gets personal or endless, that is not good form.  And I am not saying that mediocrity is ok. And it is a public forum that is geared to provide such a platform for opinions and information.

I am of the (old?) school that believes that while we are here, we should be focused on something other than to just to entertain ourselves. And the public school that is Indiana University has other obligations to the community and students and the future beyond having sports wins.  

Now having said that...this team had better win big or I will start agreeing with the fans beyond the barbed wire...of course I said that exact thing over two decades ago.  (Time to grab my fishing gear or weed the vegetable and herb garden or look for a good hiking place in the woods or live music...or better yet...find someone that needs a little help and provide some.)

 

I from the old school too but now the NCAA has practically turned their backs on any type of rules and have level the playing field by making them professional athletes, I say do what you can within whatever rules than have and put a team on the court every year.  What has the other way gotten us?  20 plus years mediocrity.  There are pretty much no rules anymore do F it and win at all cost!  That’s pretty much what they are doing now.  Most of These players aren’t here for the university, most of them are here for the money!  And yes not all, but there are many of us that don’t like or respect MW for the how he acted this past year.  If he starts winning, most of that will go away.  BK was an a** too and I didn’t like his actions but he won and like many of us, we looked the other way.  BK did do a lot of good for the university and players and that made it easier to overlook too. Heck, I bet he supported the other sport programs.  If MW would start doing that, many of us could start respecting him more too. I’ve said enough on this topic, I’m done for awhile 

[iu eyedoc]

22 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

I think you need to read my post to see what I said.

Really good people can have bad moments. There was never forgiveness needed for me; Mike Woodson is a really good person and a fellow IU alum.

• Better roster construction? YES!
• More wins? YES!
• Fewer terrible losses? YES!
• B1G regular season, B1G tourney, and NCAA achievements?? YESSSSSS!!!!!

Seems like me and Mike Woodson have the same goals.

You both also will seemingly  spend about the same amount of time and energy in the off season trying to reach those goals.

[Muskie for three]

Fire Mike Woodson 

[iu eyedoc]

His double technical "get me the hell out of here" quit on the team is etched in my brain. Overpaying the 4th guy off the bench to call out your critics on Senior/Not Senior night doesn't change that fact.

[go iu bb]

32 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I from the old school too but now the NCAA has practically turned their backs on any type of rules and have level the playing field by making them professional athletes, I say do what you can within whatever rules than have and put a team on the court every year.  What has the other way gotten us?  20 plus years mediocrity.  There are pretty much no rules anymore do F it and win at all cost!  That’s pretty much what they are doing now.  Most of These players aren’t here for the university, most of them are here for the money!  And yes not all, but there are many of us that don’t like or respect MW for the how he acted this past year.  If he starts winning, most of that will go away.  BK was an a** too and I didn’t like his actions but he won and like many of us, we looked the other way.  BK did do a lot of good for the university and players and that made it easier to overlook too. Heck, I bet he supported the other sport programs.  If MW would start doing that, many of us could start respecting him more too. I’ve said enough on this topic, I’m done for awhile 

It's actually that the NCAA held on too hard to the "amateur" model and chose to fight everything instead of trying to adjust that did this. They decided to go to court over and over and started to lose. They argued that the athletes were just students who just happened to play sports. The courts decided that if that was the case, then the NCAA couldn't restrict the rights that every other student has, such as making money and transferring as much as they want.

The NCAA got themselves neutered. 

That doesn't change that Woodson isn't a very good college coach and should be replaced, hopefully after next season since the team will likely play as less than the sum of its parts just like every team under Woodson so far.

[AZ Hoosier]

There can be a fine line between confidence and arrogant but there is a difference.

Things I've heard from Cignetti sounds like someone very confident in his system and coaching, a few comments can come across arrogant but generally just seems very confident. With his track record, albeit at lower conferences, it's warranted but he'll still adjust his style of play or incorporate new things he sees. He was also willing to speak to another IU team when asked.

Woodson doesn't have that track record and so far hasn't shown much ,if any, willingness to change his way of doing things; this roster is better but it's TBD if he actually adjusts. Yet he'll refer to himself in 3rd person, says "I don't have to answer that to you or the fans", says he did his job while missing the tournament, refused to speak to another IU team and according to Chris has little to no respect for the women's program that's currently better than the men's. Woodson even had to be told to go to sectionals.

Exactly. It ain’t bragging if you can do it. Cignetti has, everywhere he’s been. Woodson ain’t done s#!t.

[Hornsby]

Mike Woodson’s personality/character was on full display last season. That, combined with the reports of how he treats others within IU athletics, is certainly enough to make someone not a Mike Woodson true fan. But, to each their own. 

I dont consider him a good guy he comes across as an arrogant jerk. If he wins big I won't care but so far he hasn't won big.

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[steubenhoosier]

Last time I will post in this thread.

 Said it before, some folks are holding on to stuff because they want to be butthurt.

No one here was personally affected by anything CMW has said or done. No one had their reputation ruined. No one had their careers affected. No one lost money over his actions.So what, he said some things or acted some way that some people don’t care for. You and I are not paying his salary, we have nothing invested in him other than the emotional value we place on our fandom. 
It’s almost like it’s easier to just keep repeating the same thing rather than saying that, at least for this next year, Woodson is the coach.

All for this season being make or break for CMW and his staff. With the money that has been devoted to the program, there can be no excuses for less than a stellar season. But regardless of the outcome, my life won’t change and I will not be tethered to the comments, perceived slights, or whatever is communicated by Woodson or his staff 

[IUFAN1976]

11 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

We do not all agree.

About five or ten posters on this board have been repeatedly clear that they strongly agree with each other. Most posters on this message board, a place for airing of grievances, disagree with what you stated as something we “all” agree with.

You sound like a Woodson apologist!  I meant the ones that have the same feelings as I do, honestly didn’t mean everyone on this board but way to show your skill of bolding and underlying my post.  Also, you come across as the Btown Banner police and everyone seems to coward down to you.  Why is that?  I guess you are the Btown Police.  

[str8baller]

11 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

We do not all agree.

About five or ten posters on this board have been repeatedly clear that they strongly agree with each other. Most posters on this message board, a place for airing of grievances, disagree with what you stated as something we “all” agree with.

Meh... at the end of the season you had program cheerleaders from Rabjohns and Peagram to Assembly Call openly criticizing both the on court results and the conduct of the staff.  It's hardly relegated to "five or ten posters on this board." I know lifelong IU fans that have never heard of this board who are sick of Woody.  

 

The portal has given him a temporary shot in the arm.  Everybody loves a comeback story so if he can make it work he can easily regain much goodwill.  We'll see what happens.  

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, steubenhoosier said:

Last time I will post in this thread.

 Said it before, some folks are holding on to stuff because they want to be butthurt.

No one here was personally affected by anything CMW has said or done. No one had their reputation ruined. No one had their careers affected. No one lost money over his actions.So what, he said some things or acted some way that some people don’t care for. You and I are not paying his salary, we have nothing invested in him other than the emotional value we place on our fandom. 
It’s almost like it’s easier to just keep repeating the same thing rather than saying that, at least for this next year, Woodson is the coach.

All for this season being make or break for CMW and his staff. With the money that has been devoted to the program, there can be no excuses for less than a stellar season. But regardless of the outcome, my life won’t change and I will not be tethered to the comments, perceived slights, or whatever is communicated by Woodson or his staff 

Fans don’t need to be personally affected to have opinions on the character Mike Woodson has demonstrated over the past year. 

[Shooter]

16 hours ago, JSHoosier said:

There can be a fine line between confidence and arrogant but there is a difference.

Things I've heard from Cignetti sounds like someone very confident in his system and coaching, a few comments can come across arrogant but generally just seems very confident. With his track record, albeit at lower conferences, it's warranted but he'll still adjust his style of play or incorporate new things he sees. He was also willing to speak to another IU team when asked.

Woodson doesn't have that track record and so far hasn't shown much ,if any, willingness to change his way of doing things; this roster is better but it's TBD if he actually adjusts. Yet he'll refer to himself in 3rd person, says "I don't have to answer that to you or the fans", says he did his job while missing the tournament, refused to speak to another IU team and according to Chris has little to no respect for the women's program that's currently better than the men's. Woodson even had to be told to go to sectionals.

I think a large part of the disconnect is that Woodson feels like he does have that track record - based on his playing career and NBA coaching resume. That's why he bristles when fans or local media question him. On the other hand, the fans only look at his IU coaching results and think "this guy has accomplished very little, why is he so arrogant".

If Woodson acts the same way but has us in the top ten this year, it won't be a problem. He just needs to win.

Edited May 12, 2024 by Shooter

[IUFAN1976]

15 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Meh... at the end of the season you had program cheerleaders from Rabjohns and Peagram to Assembly Call openly criticizing both the on court results and the conduct of the staff.  It's hardly relegated to "five or ten posters on this board." I know lifelong IU fans that have never heard of this board who are sick of Woody.  

 

The portal has given him a temporary shot in the arm.  Everybody loves a comeback story so if he can make it work he can easily regain much goodwill.  We'll see what happens.  

We had a family get together today at my cousins daughters house and one of her friends stopped by with her husband and they both were wearing IU shirts.  The very first time I met them and neither one had a nice thing to say about Mike Woodson.  They both wished he would have gotten fired and they said now that he has a good team that money can buy, he better prove he can actually coach because he won’t have all his excuses to fall back on.  They said the same or similar stuff we all have.
 

The real pressure is on now on MW.

Just a note:  I was one that liked the MW hire but with everything that went down this past year, I have lost all respect for him.  I can’t root for us to lose, but I do want him gone.  It will take a lot for him to get me back as a supporter of him.  Maybe  winning a national championship will go along way in that area, lol!

[Hoosierfan2017]

35 minutes ago, Shooter said:

I think a large part of the disconnect is that Woodson feels like he does have that track record - based on his playing career and NBA coaching resume. That's why he bristles when fans or local media question him. On the other hand, the fans only look at his IU coaching results and think "this guy has accomplished very little, why is he so arrogant".

If Woodson acts the same way but has us in the top ten this year, it won't be a problem. He just needs to win.

He probably does feel that way, but he was mediocre as an nba player and an nba coach too. Won 46% of his games and won three playoff rounds in nine seasons. He was there a long time, but nothing about his time in the nba was remarkable. Certainly not remarkable enough to warrant the way he acts. But you’d think he’s a HOFer with the way he acts. 

[Golfman25]

1 hour ago, str8baller said:

Meh... at the end of the season you had program cheerleaders from Rabjohns and Peagram to Assembly Call openly criticizing both the on court results and the conduct of the staff.  It's hardly relegated to "five or ten posters on this board." I know lifelong IU fans that have never heard of this board who are sick of Woody.  

 

The portal has given him a temporary shot in the arm.  Everybody loves a comeback story so if he can make it work he can easily regain much goodwill.  We'll see what happens.  

Everyone loves a good comeback story

 

Sorry, I'm going to hell.