They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[HoosierInParadise]

It's happening younger and younger for IU basketball fans. There is a new product that helps, it's called Just For IU Fans, it only comes in one color though, Mike Woodson Jet Black

Yeah..in my early 40s...not ok...

[monskisprodigy]

Whoever we hire, has to have a clear vision for the program, and have the stones to drive the message into everyone’s head every single day until everyone buys in…

People were sick of cig, every press conference he gave the same answers “one day at a time, no self imposed limitations, fast physical relentless, production over potential”….he didn’t waver, and that’s how you set culture as a leader. 

Now who can do that…really not sure. 

[AZ Hoosier]

57 minutes ago, mbredenk101 said:

I still don't understand how an organization can have so many data points to make a decision to move on from someone but just doesn't do it. I don't think it would be too far-fetched for a large company to move on from a top executive or administrator on a project if they were showing signs of not producing or damaging the brand. I can't imagine that company waiting until the end of the project to let the person go. If it's moving in the wrong direction, why let it go downstream even more?

In a single word:

NEPOTISM.

Woodson is protected by Buckner, the BoT and the big money donors. Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I agree!  Ballo showed some fire and it was directed at the correct guy.  Rice is a selfish player and took and ill-advised shot with the game on the line.  He had a hot Mgbako open in the corner, or at least drive it all the way to basket.  
 

Other than those 20 turnovers that killed us, this was the best and hardest played game they have played all year.  I honestly that tonight we were the better team, personnel wise, but we weren’t better coached.  Too many miscues, especially down the stretch cost us this game and that comes down to coaching.

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If  Rice, Carlyle, Reneau and Tucker are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

[Mopladysman]

10 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

This guy seems to have a lot of passion and energy.  Should Dolson give him a look?

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1885449695251620192?s=46

 

Hell yeah

[IUFAN1976]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If Rice and Reneau are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

I think that is a question we all or someone needs to ask MW.  It could be a money issue.  Last night Rice was in the game at the end because Leal fouled out.

[JF87]

25 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

IU's brand is Great Value to  anyone without gray hair, so not sure Woodson is really doing any damage to it for those that it will matter for that the next staff will be looking for.

Look, IU football would have embraced mediocrity with open arms up until as recently as 6 months ago, so hire the right guy and that is all that will really matter.

Answer yourself this question:

What of these choices does firing CMW with 9 games left in the season accomplish?

1) Allows for better coaching by his inexperienced assistants

2) Make a tournament bid more likely

3) Enhance IU's future coaching pool

4) ENhance IU's reputation

5) Satisfy fans blood lust.

Other than #5. It  pretty much is pointless.

If it happens tomorrow, I would rejoice, but in the grand scheme it doesn't really matter.

 

I choose blood.

[Hoosier DaDa]

18 hours ago, Scotty R said:

No matter who the next coach is that there will be another fire coach thread after their first loss

No

[RaceToTheTop]

2 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Admittedly, I did not watch the game... but I have to ask...

If Rice and Reneau are such liabilities (and from what I've seen, they are)... why are they in the game at critical junctures? Seems to me to be a coaching/leadership issue. Of course, we all know and agree that there is... but inquiring minds just want to know why.

I think part of it is Woody makes promises about PT and role to get players in and for good and bad, he tries to stick with it.  The only guy who has really seen a big drop in minutes is Carlyle and in his case I don't think even if he justify sticking to what he said.  So he tries to keep a promise to the detriment of the team.  

I think right now the best five we have -- the ones that should start --   are Galloway, Leal, Goode, Mgbako, and Ballo.  But we know he promised MM he'd be playing the 3, it could be assumed he promised Rice the starting point guard spot, and you would think that MR would have received some assurances as well.

Now, it's not like Galloway has been lights out every game....he's laid as many eggs as Rice.  But the ball movement is better with Galloway.

 

 

[IUFAN1976]

24 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

Rice and Reneau can sit the rest of the year! I would rather have Hatton playing.  I can almost guarantee, if MR gets that offensive rebound in the first half instead of LH,  it doesn’t get kicked to Goode for a 3!  MR is a negative too many times when he is on the floor, which is another problem, he can’t stay out of foul trouble!

 

FIRE WOOSON!

Finally someone who feels the way I do about Reneau.  He’s a blackhole and a selfish player.  I am not 100% sure but I would bet that his +/- for the year is a minus.  Rice is a bad rollercoaster ride and has tried to play hero too many times when he’s not been the guy!  

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I just posted this in the game thread 

I didn't know what the rule was regarding timeouts and saw this on another board.  

Rule 5, Section 11, Article 3 says, "When the game clock and shot clock are running, they shall be stopped when an official: Grants a player’s visual or oral request for a timeout when the ball is live or grants a coach’s request for timeout made when the ball is live in the last two minutes of the second period or the last two minutes of any overtime period."

Didn't need anyone on the court to call for a timeout, Woody could have done it from the bench.  Did he even know that he could?

[Silat Player]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I just posted this in the game thread 

I didn't know what the rule was regarding timeouts and saw this on another board.  

Rule 5, Section 11, Article 3 says, "When the game clock and shot clock are running, they shall be stopped when an official: Grants a player’s visual or oral request for a timeout when the ball is live or grants a coach’s request for timeout made when the ball is live in the last two minutes of the second period or the last two minutes of any overtime period."

Didn't need anyone on the court to call for a timeout, Woody could have done it from the bench.  Did he even know that he could?

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I thought the coach could call a timeout. We had 2. Why didn't Woody just call a timeout? 

[Ryno6284]

7 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I just posted this in the game thread 

I didn't know what the rule was regarding timeouts and saw this on another board.  

Rule 5, Section 11, Article 3 says, "When the game clock and shot clock are running, they shall be stopped when an official: Grants a player’s visual or oral request for a timeout when the ball is live or grants a coach’s request for timeout made when the ball is live in the last two minutes of the second period or the last two minutes of any overtime period."

Didn't need anyone on the court to call for a timeout, Woody could have done it from the bench.  Did he even know that he could?

Probably not.

[jermhoosierfan]

A nice discussion with a lot of names mentioned here.  Goodman acts like he knows that Woody is gone at the end of the season.

[JF87]

2 hours ago, Silat Player said:

Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I thought the coach could call a timeout. We had 2. Why didn't Woody just call a timeout? 

Because he was too busy waving Rice towards the bucket.  

[steubenhoosier]

Coaching malfeasance cost us the game last night.

Hatton should be the backup to Ballo. Make Reneau sit until he learns that his selfishness is hurting the team.

I agree that Rice should not have been the guy with the ball for the last possessions. I can see his mindset though. He was a major factor in our comeback v Maryland, and I think he wanted to play hero ball. It should have been Gallo, but that's what lousy coaching does. For Rice, he needs to sit, and only play when there are at least 3 starters on the floor, with the understanding that he is option #4. He does give us something neither Gallo or Leal possess, which is a quickness to blow by defenders. However he plays too out of control to be depended on.

Feel bad for the guys who played their hearts out last night. Feel angry that it took 2/3rds of the season for them to do so.

Players only meeting righted the ship a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, we don't have a TJD on this roster who combined the skill and respect of his teammates to lead the way. Closest guy that resembles this is Goode, and it's a shame that he was only a Hoosier for one year.

Finally, I think it is time that the players to tell Woodson to get out of the way. Let them run things with the help of Calbert and Hulls. Outcomes can't be any worse that what we are seeing.

[MrBBall]

10 minutes ago, jermhoosierfan said:

A nice discussion with a lot of names mentioned here.  Goodman acts like he knows that Woody is gone at the end of the season.

Mick Cronin?  Hahahahaha

[iu eyedoc]

 

23 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

I just posted this in the game thread 

I didn't know what the rule was regarding timeouts and saw this on another board.  

Rule 5, Section 11, Article 3 says, "When the game clock and shot clock are running, they shall be stopped when an official: Grants a player’s visual or oral request for a timeout when the ball is live or grants a coach’s request for timeout made when the ball is live in the last two minutes of the second period or the last two minutes of any overtime period."

Didn't need anyone on the court to call for a timeout, Woody could have done it from the bench.  Did he even know that he could?

Mike Woodson doesn't learn the rules, the rules learn Mike Woodson

[iu eyedoc]

14 minutes ago, JF87 said:

Because he was too busy waiving Rice towards the bucket.  

Deleted tweet by tyme:

End of game, Mike Woodson could be seen using the traditional large circular motion with an arm to signal Rice to call time out. These youth today, SMH.

[Hoosierfanyuh]

This is why im a huge advocate of woody being fired asap, like after Illinois. We’re talented, we are talented enough to make the tourney if coached properly.