Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[str8baller 5,214]

4 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

As a "bridge coach" wouldn't it make sense that Woodson is the bridge from Archie to May? Seems simple and straight-forward to me.

Maybe he just likes playing bridge, and this has all been a misunderstanding. 

[IUFAN1976 3,091]

47 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

If Woodson is old (he is), and we know he is at best a bridge coach, and he craps the bed in year three because of a poorly constructed roster, clearly he does not deserve another year... 

Now, if he gets another year (a real possibility thanks to Buckner, et al), and by some miracle, manages to put together a competitive team and do even marginally well, what happens? And genuinely curious what triggers there are in his contract that screws us over worse (raise, extension, bump the buyout), what then?

I honestly don't see that improvement coming next year, but what if?

Just cut him loose and be done with it. Get him to retire, throw him a party and/or a parade, but get him out, whatever it takes.

It’s because he wasn’t wearing his Depends!

[IUrocker 2,181]

4 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

To me it is as simple as this.  You hired Woodson figuring he had 10 years at best (I figured 6).  He is 30-50% through that timeframe and has taken such a step back that he is now basically starting over from scratch.  The roster overhaul needed, lack of recruits committed, and poor play demonstrated are the types of things you see for a guy who is on his way out.  I don't see the point in investing in him in another rebuild that he is likely not going to see to fruition whether he gets us back to the tournament next year or not.  

Singling out the great point of the bold part, and it’s how I see it as well. Those things rolled into one should seem like something that makes it even easier to transition to a new coach. Gonna need a new handful of players anyways, and only have ONE recruit onboard for the future, who a new coach could even talk into staying. There’s really not much set up for next year that we’re gonna be like “well crap, we’re gonna miss out on all that if we make a change”. 

[Hornsby 1,833]

If IU is May's dream job do you really think that he would jump to O$U knowing that in a year or hopefully sooner the IU job would be open.
Does Dusty make a back channel call before he talks to O$U?

There is no guarantee the iu job will be open. If Woodson gets another year and makes the tourney tht will likely buy him another couple of years.

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[AZ Hoosier 7,058]

14 minutes ago, IUrocker said:

Yep for sure..at this point I guess we gotta sit around and hope Dolson isn’t too late making the move and have next year turn out like this one. My fear is he having the mindset of “let’s give him another year to turn this around before we let him go and hand it off to the next guy”…because I see NO point in that at all. 

How long is the bridge period? Good year/bad year, I don't see how it matters... and I don't understand the concept of an open-ended bridge gig... after last year we were better than we were with Archie... not sure that's true this year... but regardless, there has to be a firm "hand off" date...

Does Indiana have a mandatory retirement age for state employees? And if so, does that apply to coaches? 

[Certified Sunshine Pumper 9,095]

6 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

There is no guarantee the iu job will be open. If Woodson gets another year and makes the tourney tht will likely buy him another couple of years.

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Don't believe that at all 

[GnarlyTimGarl 1,433]

36 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

One month (maybe five weeks) from now y'all will know the program's direction. Until then there likely will not be much news.

Exactly. I don't know if many predicted Archie's firing on February 15th, 2021. (At that time we were 11-9 (6-7).)

I do think it's notable that national guys like Jeff Borzello and Trilly Donovan are mentioning that there's a little bit of uncertainty already here on February 15th while IU sits at 14-10 (6-7). Borzello wrote "it could go either way" and Donovan has started mentioning that "Woodson's not doing himself any favors" just weeks after being pretty clear that he was not in any trouble. This proves to me that the "Hot Seat" smoke has some substance and is not purely the imagination of disgruntled fans.

[AZ Hoosier 7,058]

19 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

To me it is as simple as this.  You hired Woodson figuring he had 10 years at best (I figured 6).  He is 30-50% through that timeframe and has taken such a step back that he is now basically starting over from scratch.  The roster overhaul needed, lack of recruits committed, and poor play demonstrated are the types of things you see for a guy who is on his way out.  I don't see the point in investing in him in another rebuild that he is likely not going to see to fruition whether he gets us back to the tournament next year or not.  

Ten years? Ten freaking years? No way that happens or that that was even the plan...

[BleedCubbieBlue 1,395]

1 minute ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ten years? Ten freaking years? No way that happens or that that was even the plan...

Between Mike Woodson and Armond Hill this already looks like a bad stage version of Weekend at Bernie's. If we roll with this crew for another 7 years it is going to look more like The Walking Dead.

 

[IUCrazy2 2,384]

23 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Ten years? Ten freaking years? No way that happens or that that was even the plan...

I say that because at best you think he gets to 72.  I figured it would be more like 6 years though.

ETA:  Either way though, you don't want to start over with a 66 year old who only has a few years left in the tank to begin with.

[JF87 1,452]

1 hour ago, ISP said:

Anyone with ESPN+ want to copy/paste the part about Woody from this article? Apparently it says Woody is on the hot seat..

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/39525430/men-college-basketball-coaching-candidates-replace-chris-holtmann-ohio-state

We're doing our best! LOL

[Trish 11,551]

I would love to spend a week in the basketball offices and see what occurs from a day to day point. 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,143]

35 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Does Indiana have a mandatory retirement age for state employees? And if so, does that apply to coaches? 

That’s actually an interesting question.  There is no mandatory retirement age for state employees in general.  However, back in 2001, AD Clarence Doninger was forced into retirement because he reached IU’s mandatory retirement age of 65.  Now, I don’t know who all that policy applied to, if it was just for administrators and not coaches, or if the policy still exists at all now.  But it is interesting nonetheless, and maybe someone else knows for sure…

[Hovadipo 56,000]

6 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

That’s actually an interesting question.  There is no mandatory retirement age for state employees in general.  However, back in 2001, AD Clarence Doninger was forced into retirement because he reached IU’s mandatory retirement age of 65.  Now, I don’t know who all that policy applied to, if it was just for administrators and not coaches, or if the policy still exists at all now.  But it is interesting nonetheless, and maybe someone else knows for sure…

A Google showed that this was for "Executives, High Policymakers, and Administrative Officers", was bumped to age 67 as of 2012 and looks like it still applies.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,328]

13 minutes ago, Trish said:

I would love to spend a week in the basketball offices and see what occurs from a day to day point. 

Switch whiskey to wine and you’ve got your answers here. 

[Kentuckysucks 2,255]

7 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Switch whiskey to wine and you’ve got your answers here. 

 

[AZ Hoosier 7,058]

10 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

A Google showed that this was for "Executives, High Policymakers, and Administrative Officers", was bumped to age 67 as of 2012 and looks like it still applies.

So, one more year in the worst case... good to know, but hope we don't go there...

[AZ Hoosier 7,058]

[Hovadipo 56,000]

52 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

So, one more year in the worst case... good to know, but hope we don't go there...

Uh, no. That's not what it means.

[Josh 12,621]

2 hours ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

That’s actually an interesting question.  There is no mandatory retirement age for state employees in general.  However, back in 2001, AD Clarence Doninger was forced into retirement because he reached IU’s mandatory retirement age of 65.  Now, I don’t know who all that policy applied to, if it was just for administrators and not coaches, or if the policy still exists at all now.  But it is interesting nonetheless, and maybe someone else knows for sure…

Oh yeah...remember that?  I feel like Doninger started dogging on Coach Knight, then next thing you knew this "mandatory retirement age" thing came up and snatched him away.  Coach really was like a Godfather sometimes lol