Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Tasmanian Devil 1,561]

10 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

For reference, the thread that originally started as Fire Archie Miller and transitioned to Archie Miller Fired reached 87 pages in a span of 2 months.

The Fire Tom Crean thread that transitioned to Tom Crean Fired reached a whopping 1,089 pages and stretched from Jan. 2014 to July 2017.

Woody's got a lot of ground to make up.

Don’t sell our fans short. :)

[mookied39 347]

10 hours ago, tkbbn said:

I think we should all guess how many pages this thread goes to before we actually fire CMW. My guess is 36. Probably low.

Unfortunately, EXTREMELY low.

[pumpfake 3,935]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

They'll let him retire to avoid the black eye of firing him so they don’t have to admit they f-ed up hiring a guy no one else wanted.

That may be so but hiring a coach that only has 3 or 4 years left in him is still an f-up (IMO).

[JSHoosier 20,176]

Just now, pumpfake said:

That may be so but hiring a coach that only has 3 or 4 years left in him is still an f-up (IMO).

If you think there's a rebuild instead of a pretty quick turnaround it absolutely is.

[Hoosier Guy 7,529]

It’s just awful. There’s no positive emotions around this program.

[cbp4iu 1,462]

Did Woodson atleast go out and recruit after the game?

[Capt. Crimson 3,429]

I’d argue recruiting has dried up.  Swung and missed on a number of portal guards last off season.  Only 1 signee for 24.  

Yeah I’m with you. Regardless I don’t completely understand the nobody eats their own like Indiana narrative. I think our fans can just see when the momentum is gone. The ones where fans have called for the firings have been completely justified imo. Mike Davis was in over his head and Kelvin Sampson we had nothing to do with.

 

You could say fans have a negative effect on the program/players from a social media/online perspective and I’d agree with that, but in this case we haven’t even blamed the players. It’s not getting the right pieces and playing an archaic offense from a time when the 3 point line didn’t exist.

 

There shouldn’t be any major stat category where we come in dead last in D1 basketball. Theres going against the flow and then there’s being negligent.

 

 

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[Rico 3,030]

Sunday morning sing-a-long:

 

 

[Home Jersey 7,370]

I've seen enough.

Normally I'd say that after getting us back to the tournament in back to back years after not having been for four years straight, he could have a pass for an off year. But this year is SO ugly and so full of the same issues we've seen throughout Woody's entire tenure that I've lost all confidence in our ability to actually be competitive with this staff. Sure, we will probably win a few more games here and there. Maybe even an upset or two. I hate to be harsh because I'd have liked Woodson to succeed here, but I honestly don't think the team could do anything else to convince me it'll be worthwhile to have a fourth season with this staff.

The fact is, this team never had a chance because of roster construction. And it STILL has enough talent that it should be performing way better than it is. Woody's post game comments are particularly dry and lacking tone. Things are going to get ugly... I hope the admin spares us all the ache and pain after this offseason. Not getting my hopes too high though. All I know is I can't torture myself by watching many more performances like yesterday.

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Two minimum threshold levels to run this program.  Beat Purdue and make the Tourney, if you can't do either.....well

Has to be a big ego blow for the IU players to realize that Caitlin Clark would be their leading scorer if she played with them.

I've never seen the base more disconnected from the program than they are now......not even during the CAM nightmare was it this bad.  These players just seem to have no interest in competing, its bizarre   

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1 hour ago, Capt. Crimson said:

Yeah I’m with you. Regardless I don’t completely understand the nobody eats their own like Indiana narrative. I think our fans can just see when the momentum is gone. The ones where fans have called for the firings have been completely justified imo. Mike Davis was in over his head and Kelvin Sampson we had nothing to do with.

 

You could say fans have a negative effect on the program/players from a social media/online perspective and I’d agree with that, but in this case we haven’t even blamed the players. It’s not getting the right pieces and playing an archaic offense from a time when the 3 point line didn’t exist.

 

There shouldn’t be any major stat category where we come in dead last in D1 basketball. Theres going against the flow and then there’s being negligent.

 

 

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I'd give anything to have Sampson running the program...in hindsight of course

[Stuhoo 80,548]

2 minutes ago, finky said:

Two minimum threshold levels to run this program.  Beat Purdue and make the Tourney, if you can't do either.....well

Has to be a big ego blow for the IU players to realize that Caitlin Clark would be their leading scorer if she played with them.

I've never seen the base more disconnected from the program than they are now......not even during the CAM nightmare was it this bad.  These players just seem to have no interest in competing, its bizarre   

Just saying, if Caitlin Clark was on the IU men’s team, she would be the lowest level walk-on in the history of the program.

The hyperbole is getting extreme ‘round here.

[cbp4iu 1,462]

Winning cures everything. We need wins. IU needs to somehow win like 4 games atleast the rest of the year. Need to stay afloat with some of our own players and players who might be entering the portal on other teams. IU can’t afford to lose Reneau. If he stays in college IU can’t afford to lose Mgbako. Like we saw in football this year the shadiness that takes place behind the scenes. If we keep losing/go on a long losing streak the remainder of the year you know other teams will see blood in the water and find ways to contact Reneau or Mgbako. If IU loses both of them Woodson absolutely can’t be kept around. If IU loses both Reneau and Mgbako what chip does IU have that could attract players to come here. McNeely is only 1 guy and a Freshman and Galloway isn’t a “superstar” by any means but he’s a solid player but that means nothing.

[JSHoosier 20,176]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/03/iubb-indiana-bench-scores-3-points-in-loss-to-penn-state-mike-woodson-roster-transfer-portal/72465523007/

Says the roster needs to be rebuilt, which is true. Woodson built this roster, if it already needs rebuilt then just go ahead and fire him because he screwed up pretty spectacularly building his roster to begin with.

[IUFAN1976 3,091]

31 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

I've seen enough.

Normally I'd say that after getting us back to the tournament in back to back years after not having been for four years straight, he could have a pass for an off year. But this year is SO ugly and so full of the same issues we've seen throughout Woody's entire tenure that I've lost all confidence in our ability to actually be competitive with this staff. Sure, we will probably win a few more games here and there. Maybe even an upset or two. I hate to be harsh because I'd have liked Woodson to succeed here, but I honestly don't think the team could do anything else to convince me it'll be worthwhile to have a fourth season with this staff.

The fact is, this team never had a chance because of roster construction. And it STILL has enough talent that it should be performing way better than it is. Woody's post game comments are particularly dry and lacking tone. Things are going to get ugly... I hope the admin spares us all the ache and pain after this offseason. Not getting my hopes too high though. All I know is I can't torture myself by watching many more performances like yesterday.

I think you have finally caught up to the rest of us.  I wanted it to work too but the 2 tournament appearances sort of pacified us but with as much talent that’s on this team, they should be competing better than what they are.  Woodson owed it to the players on this team and to the fans to put together a roster that is competitive, he only got it partially there.  He should have made darn sure we had good shooters around the big men he had committed to IU and good guard play.  He had one scholarship remaining and there were guards out there he could have landed and he could have used the oversign and landed 2.  I am so disappointed in Woodson, he put his faith in a headcase and role player that had one good shooting year to be the leaders of this team and have good guard play.  An epic fail on many levels!

[Josh 12,621]

45 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Just saying, if Caitlin Clark was on the IU men’s team, she would be the lowest level walk-on in the history of the program.

The hyperbole is getting extreme ‘round here.

I see hyperbole in your post too, yeah?

Recruit rankings are fine and all, but I want basketball players and shooters

[Hoosier987 1,149]

43 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/03/iubb-indiana-bench-scores-3-points-in-loss-to-penn-state-mike-woodson-roster-transfer-portal/72465523007/

Says the roster needs to be rebuilt, which is true. Woodson built this roster, if it already needs rebuilt then just go ahead and fire him because he screwed up pretty spectacularly building his roster to begin with.

The part where he mentions that the question becomes — how much ground the opposing team makes up when the reserves comes in, is on point. I always find myself looking at the score holding my breath when we have more than 2 reserves in at once. That’s how bad our bench is. Don’t forget…we were up by 11 against PSU when Woodson elected to go with 3 reserves…well, as history has proven time and time again, PSU was off to the races at that point and there was no looking back. I wouldn’t put our bench up against a mid major bench. 

[Stuhoo 80,548]

33 minutes ago, Josh said:

I see hyperbole in your post too, yeah?

Recruit rankings are fine and all, but I want basketball players and shooters

No hyperbole in my post. It’s my opinion, but it’s true. And I suspect that Caitlin Clark would agree. Indiana 2A boys high school teams would beat Iowa women’s… really easily.

She’s a 6’0, 150 lb guard that plays a foot below the rim and is a career 38% shooter from 3, with a smaller ball.  She’s being guarded by 6’0 players that play 1 1/2 feet below the rim.

And she’s the best college women’s player in the country.

I love the women’s game! Doesn’t have to be the best in the world to be entertaining and enjoyable!

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,312]

29 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/indiana/2024/02/03/iubb-indiana-bench-scores-3-points-in-loss-to-penn-state-mike-woodson-roster-transfer-portal/72465523007/

Says the roster needs to be rebuilt, which is true. Woodson built this roster, if it already needs rebuilt then just go ahead and fire him because he screwed up pretty spectacularly building his roster to begin with.

Roster construction is a huge part of it but it’s more than that.

Woody obviously has his “system” now we are going to trust him to rebuild a roster not in his likeness and style. 
 

Ware, Reneau have mostly been great. SF Mgbako has been interesting. Defensively he hurts us. Offensively he has some nice spark. On a great team he gets 15 minutes off the bench.  1 guard has absolutely killed us. Nothing from that spot.  2 Guard with Gallo has offered some upside but with zero outside shooting coming from 1-2 and limited takes from 4-5 this team has handicapped itself.  Our bigs don’t trust our shooters and they shouldn’t but obvious kick outs don’t happen because lack of trust. 
 

But lack of 3s, lack of offensive rebounding, lack of effort, BB IQ, lack of transition play, lack of baseline,backdoor cuts, and on and on says it’s more than just roster despite roster being completely flawed. 

[Josh 12,621]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

No hyperbole in my post. It’s true.

Any time somebody says "lowest in the history" that's hyperbole.  I mean, unless you have the stats to prove it.  Do you? 

I'd love her shooting, heart, hustle, and toughness on this team.  We don't have any of that except maybe Reneau.  I do like his heart.  Maybe Galloway too.  Nobody else has that killer desire