Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Stuhoo 79,257]

10 minutes ago, Josh said:

Any time somebody says "lowest in the history" that's hyperbole.  I mean, unless you have the stats to prove it.  Do you? 

I'd love her shooting, heart, hustle, and toughness on this team.  We don't have any of that except maybe Reneau.  I do like his heart.  Maybe Galloway too.  Nobody else has that killer desire

You’d love all those things about her until she was owned in practice by Shaan Burke, who I suspect also has heart, hustle, and shooting; he was a really good three point shooter in high school with a full size ball.

[IndyResident16 567]

19 hours ago, DChoosier said:

What gives me hope, assuming a number of previous posts are true, is that Stevens was plan “A” and the BOT/administration showed their seriousness by offering him a boatload of cash. 
 

I got some news for you….

Beard or Pearl or we’ll be talking about this in 3 years only calling for the head of somebody else.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,754]

It seemed like the Boogie Fland commitment to Kentucky was the beginning of momentum swing towards suck.  Things were ratcheting up until that moment and have been in free fall since. 
 

As great as McNeely, Queen, Fland are,  And believe me they are all really good, thinking those guys carries us to a top 10 team all as freshman in todays game is fools gold anyway. That’s not college basketball RN. Look at the current UK roster to demonstrate it best. They are absolutely loaded with young talent. You can’t really have more.  And see what it gets you. Gotta use the portal like a freaking samurai or internally build. But both really and have a vision and plan. 

[Stuhoo 79,257]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

It seemed like the Boogie Fland commitment to Kentucky was the beginning of momentum swing towards suck.  Things were ratcheting up until that moment and have been in free fall since. 
 

As great as McNeely, Queen, Fland are,  And believe me they are all really good, thinking those guys carries us to a top 10 team all as freshman in todays game is fools gold anyway. That’s not college basketball RN. Look at the current UK roster to demonstrate it best. They are absolutely loaded with young talent. You can’t really have more.  And see what it gets you. Gotta use the portal like a freaking samurai or internally build. But both really and have a vision and plan. 

UK has seven draft picks. Tennessee is quite a bit better; and that’s on UK’s home court.

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,754]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

UK has seven draft picks. Tennessee is quite a bit better; and that’s on UK’s home court.

Exactly. Our staff doesn’t really know what it takes. They are living in the past.  I mean, of course you want to get any of those 3 guys. But figuring or counting on it won’t end well.

Rutgers will be another interesting case study next year. 2 of the legitimate best players in the class. Cliff O might stay, probably will plus some  other pieces.  Curious how that one ends up.  

[IndyResident16 567]

19 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Pumpers: At least things can’t get worse
Woody: hold my Ensure

Stevens won’t have anything to do with this program (and hasn’t for awhile) despite what some “insiders” might feed you. Why would he ever want to leave a franchise that does it the right way to a college program that doesn’t know it’s @$$ from a hole in the ground.

Once you realize what has been going on for awhile the more entertaining it becomes in a “the real housewives of Medellin” kind of way. The few minutes I caught of the game today had me laughing.

Realest post of all time. Someone pin this.

Stevens is and has always been a pipe dream. There’s never been traction other than a bluff offer to prepare this fan base for Woodson. 

[IUFAN1976 2,746]

16 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Roster construction is a huge part of it but it’s more than that.

Woody obviously has his “system” now we are going to trust him to rebuild a roster not in his likeness and style. 
 

Ware, Reneau have mostly been great. SF Mgbako has been interesting. Defensively he hurts us. Offensively he has some nice spark. On a great team he gets 15 minutes off the bench.  1 guard has absolutely killed us. Nothing from that spot.  2 Guard with Gallo has offered some upside but with zero outside shooting coming from 1-2 and limited takes from 4-5 this team has handicapped itself.  Our bigs don’t trust our shooters and they shouldn’t but obvious kick outs don’t happen because lack of trust. 
 

But lack of 3s, lack of offensive rebounding, lack of effort, BB IQ, lack of transition play, lack of baseline,backdoor cuts, and on and on says it’s more than just roster despite roster being completely flawed. 

I think the biggest issue is style of play.  Woodson says he wanted to play 4 out and 1 in but never really recruited to that.  I think he really don’t know what his style of play is offensively but he does know what his defensive style of play is but the players he’s recruited and played doesn’t fit his style because of the learning curve. Why not look for players that play close to his style of defense, guards and bigs, that way the learning curve on the defensive side isn’t as long.  Also, make sure they are fairly decent shooters too and they don’t always have to be the highest rated players either.  Look, I just solved Woodson’s roster construction issue because he does want their identity to be defense first

[IndyResident16 567]

18 hours ago, MemphisHoosier said:

Results haven't looked great this season at Notre Dame, but I would take Shrews - a Stevens disciple - in a heart-beat.  The man gets the most out of his squads and has learned from some of the best in Painter and Stevens.

While he’s not Pearl or Beard, Shrews will bring Markus Burton with him and have Sisley and Mullins committed within a week. That’s at least a foundation. Both those kids want to be Hoosiers so bad but can’t risk their livelihoods with the current staff.

 

[Josh 12,503]

18 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

You’d love all those things about her until she was owned in practice by Shaan Burke, who I suspect also has heart, hustle, and shooting; he was a really good three point shooter in high school with a full size ball.

So everybody's hyperbole but your take about "of all time".  Got it.

[Stuhoo 79,257]

2 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

Realest post of all time. Someone pin this.

Stevens is and has always been a pipe dream. There’s never been traction other than a bluff offer to prepare this fan base for Woodson. 

 

I understand that it is natural and appropriate to vent about a frustrating season, but for the most “real” posting encompasses a 360 degree assessment of what is wrong, what is good, and what can be done, including with viable coaching alternatives. Not solely why others are delusional.

 

[IndyResident16 567]

17 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Absolutely NO on Alford... and the "must be an IU guy" has been an epic failure... can we please move on from that?

Woody is the consummate "IU guy" - was here 40 years ago, and he brought 40-year-old culture and playing style to IU... just no thanks.

Alford would deliver Tom Crean like results but would likely never be a real tournament title contender. We can (and have) done a lot worse. 

[Stuhoo 79,257]

59 minutes ago, Josh said:

So everybody's hyperbole but your take about "of all time".  Got it.

Okay… you don’t like “of all time?” So strike that.

IN MY OPINION she would be the lowest performer of any walk-on we’ve had at IU.

I  think she’d be pretty good but not the best player … in the managers’ game at IU. In fact, I’m 99% sure of that.

[JSHoosier 19,741]

19 hours ago, DChoosier said:

What gives me hope, assuming a number of previous posts are true, is that Stevens was plan “A” and the BOT/administration showed their seriousness by offering him a boatload of cash. 
 

Plan "B" was administrative malpractice, that's a horrifying thought.

[IndyResident16 567]

13 hours ago, coonhounds said:

If he isn't fired this season then iu is officially not serious about basketball. That is my thinking. I believe he will be. It's going to get ugly imo. Look at the schedule! If he don't turn this around it will be the worst iu basketball season I can remember without counting the bare cupboard crean rebuild years. We got our ***** kicked today!

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IU hasn’t officially been serious about basketball in 2 decades. 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,576]

16 minutes ago, Josh said:

So everybody's hyperbole but your take about "of all time".  Got it.

It isn't hyperbole if it's fact. Clark would suck in the men's game unless they took it easy on her.

[IndyResident16 567]

1 hour ago, cbp4iu said:

Winning cures everything. We need wins. IU needs to somehow win like 4 games atleast the rest of the year. Need to stay afloat with some of our own players and players who might be entering the portal on other teams. IU can’t afford to lose Reneau. If he stays in college IU can’t afford to lose Mgbako. Like we saw in football this year the shadiness that takes place behind the scenes. If we keep losing/go on a long losing streak the remainder of the year you know other teams will see blood in the water and find ways to contact Reneau or Mgbako. If IU loses both of them Woodson absolutely can’t be kept around. If IU loses both Reneau and Mgbako what chip does IU have that could attract players to come here. McNeely is only 1 guy and a Freshman and Galloway isn’t a “superstar” by any means but he’s a solid player but that means nothing.

I wouldn’t be sad if a single player from this years team opted to not return. Not one competitive player on this team. Collectively the lowest IQ basketball team I’ve ever seen in 52 years. We SUCK and our players are soft. Doesn’t help when they’re coached by Woodson.

[KYHoosier 333]

I don't see how you can keep him another season. His seat is already getting really hot, fans are getting restless, and I don't see things getting any better this season. There really isn't much optimism going into next season either. There's a chance IU has extreme roster turnover losing up to 8 guys (Ware, Mbako, X, Gallo, Leal, Banks, Gunn, Walker, Sparks) and has 1 recruit committed. You can't go out and get 6+ guys in the portal and expect it to work out. Bad offseason and slow start to next season if you keep him and optics could get really ugly. To me it seems like Dolson and company know the decision (especially after yesterdays game) that has to be made but it will be interesting if they make the move. If they don't fire him I think that says a lot about what their standards of IU basketball are. 

[IndyResident16 567]

42 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

 

I understand that it is natural and appropriate to vent about a frustrating season, but for the most “real” posting encompasses a 360 degree assessment of what is wrong, what is good, and what can be done, including with viable coaching alternatives. Not solely why others are delusional.

 

I stand by what I said.

The people who think Stevens was coming here and/or had a contract all but signed are living in a different form of reality.

[cbp4iu 1,364]

23 minutes ago, IndyResident16 said:

I wouldn’t be sad if a single player from this years team opted to not return. Not one competitive player on this team. Collectively the lowest IQ basketball team I’ve ever seen in 52 years. We SUCK and our players are soft. Doesn’t help when they’re coached by Woodson.

That’s exactly why we need a few of the guys because Iu can’t have the cupboards bare next year and have Woodson coaching them. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart 83,478]

I have way too much time on my hands.  The increased number of double digit losses and the average margin of our losses isn't exactly a feather in Woody's coaching cap.

Losses in Woodson Era  -  Hired March 2021
Date	Opponent	IU	Opp	Margin	Venue
Nov '21	Syracuse	110	112	2	Syracuse
Dec '21	Wisconsin	59	64	5	Madison
Jan '22	Penn State	58	61	3	University Park
Jan  '22	Iowa	74	83	9	Iowa City
Jan '22	Michigan	62	80	18	Bloomington
Feb '22	Illinois	57	74	17	Bloomington
Feb '22	Northwestern	51	59	8	Evanston
Feb '22	Michigan State	61	76	15	East Lansing
Feb '22	Wisconsin	69	74	5	Bloomington
Feb '22	Ohio State	69	80	11	Columbus
Mar '22	Rutgers	63	66	3	Bloomingon
Mar '22	Purdue	57	69	12	West Lafayette
Mar '22	Iowa	77	80	3	Indianapolis
Mar '22	St. Mary's	53	82	29	Portland, OR
	AVG	66	76	10	6 of 14 Double Digits
Dec '22	Rutgers	48	63	15	Piscataway
Dec '22	Arizona	75	89	14	Las Vegas
Dec '22	Kansas	62	84	22	Lawrence, KS
Jan '23	Iowa	89	91	2	Iowa City
Jan '23	Northwestern	83	84	1	Bloomington
Jan '23	Penn State	66	85	19	University Park
Jan '23	Maryland	55	66	11	College Park
Feb '23	Northwestern	62	64	2	Evanston
Feb '23	Michigan State	65	80	15	East Lansing
Feb '23	Iowa	68	90	22	Bloomington
Mar '23	Penn State	73	77	4	Chicago
Mar '23	Miami	69	85	16	Albany,  NY
	AVG	68	80	12	8 of 12 Double Digits
Nov '23	U Conn	57	77	20	New York
Dec '23	Auburn	76	104	28	Atlanta
Dec '23	Kansas	71	75	4	Bloomington
Jan '24	Nebraska	70	86	16	Lincoln, NE
Jan '24	Rutgers	57	66	9	Piscataway
Jan '24	Purdue	66	87	21	Bloomington
Jan '24	Wisconsin	79	91	12	Madison
Jan '24	Illinois	52	70	18	Champaign
Feb '24	Penn State	71	85	14	Bloomington
	AVG	67	82	16	7 of 9 Double Digits