(2024) - PG Boogie Fland to Kentucky

[Hoosierfan1901]

1 minute ago, Banksyrules said:

Odds Calipairi get fired after this year?

He either gets fired or retires within the next 3-4 years in my opinion 

[RaceToTheTop]

It has been said that Cal would love a return to the NBA.  I expect it happens at some point.

[HoosierHoopster]

8 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

Staff had the option of making some of the other kids higher priorities but chose to go for the top end talent.  Seems like their gamble didn’t pay off.  That’s a whole  other argument on what the staff should have or could have done.    Can’t worry about that now they just have to deal with the hand dealt to them and continue to work.    They definitely are going to be able to offer someone a lot of PT at the lead guard position 

Last sentence is the key. Woodson is honest in recruiting, we hear it from all the guys who commit to him/IU, that they have the chance but have to work for it —

and the top recruits are looking for immediate and significant playing time, this year we have X and Gallo in the backcourt, even if someone might displace Gallo this year ( no one is displacing X), Gallo’s gonna play a ton, as he should. 
 

[Hoosier1984]

Reading that burner ball account….wonder if that was the same day Jasper said he wasn’t reclassifying right now for Kentucky. Wonder if he does in the spring/summer if boogie looks to get out.

[HoosierHoopster]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

It has been said that Cal would love a return to the NBA.  I expect it happens at some point.

We can all hope…

[Home Jersey]

4 hours ago, BGleas said:

I'd even argue a sophomore Cupps has more potential to impact winning at the college level next year as a point guard than a freshmen Fland. 

Had the exact same thought - obviously Boogie is incredibly talented. He'd still be a freshman guard though, and one of his primary criticisms in scouting reports I've seen is shot selection/at times, bad stretches of decision-making. Not saying Boogie won't help UK win games, but... come March, Cal's "stacked" rosters haven't really been doing better than ours - if at all. A sophomore Cupps, who has a year under his belt and can distribute like he can, gives me confidence assuming we fill out the roster with enough talent via portal/Spring. Hitting the portal really does not concern/worry me, at this point in the cycle anyway. We got a whole season of basketball to play first baby!

4 hours ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

This year is so important for the future. How big of a jump do Trey and Malik show? Is Mackenzie really a one and done? Can Cupps and Sparks be great additions to bring off the bench? Can CJ and Kaleb contribute? I am hoping the answer is positive for a lot of those. If not, that is where we might be in trouble. 

**Disclaimer - I am not a professional basketball scout. I do not claim to be an “expert” in assessing players… just a guy who enjoys watching the game/enjoyed playing back in the day. But any who… I have seen Mackenzie play in person a few times. Not a large enough sample size that I’d say I could give you a legitimate “scouting report” … ~6 games while he was a sophomore at GSB… an AAU tournament in Pittsburgh before his Junior year (purely by coincidence, was visiting a basketball junkie friend in town and we unexpectedly had some time to kill lol…) then the state championship game he won with Roselle Catholic this year. Have seen enough that I think I can add some conjecture to help us get excited again about who we DO have playing for us in just a few more days.

Physicals. When you walk in the gym, if you had to bet on who the NBA prospect was, a lot of dough would be waged on him… Says something, considering the caliber of the guys he played with and against. Elite.

Bball IQ - understands angles and uses his length/size well. Will take advantage of mistakes and exploit mismatches. Not really a physical player in the post but he is not usually shying away from contact. I expect his rebounding to steadily improve as the year goes on, but I think we may have a few tough games here and there on that front. (Gonna need Ware/Reneau/Sparks to do their thang.)

You will see a few savvy steals/blocks, but consistency on the defensive side is definitely a question for me…. When you consider our defensive schemes and the jump from HS/AAU to D1 in terms of complexity, I do think this will be what we point to as his weakness, at least early on, this season. That said, get ready for some athletic sequences where he blocks a shot against the backboard/disrupts a passing lane/brings a smart double team, then gets the transition slam or three.

Shot taker, shot maker - very above average rhythm shooter, great catch and shooter. Usually gets to his spot without a lot of dribbles. Has a high release point and usually gets the ball out of his hands quickly. Does have a tendency to bring the ball down fairly low as he’s getting into his motion, I’m hoping Woodson is cleaning that up in the offseason… Rarely caused problems for him from what I’ve seen, but if no change in the tendency since I’ve last seen him, I think that causes us a few frustrating turnovers.

You won’t hear anyone calling him a point forward, that’s not the really the primary skillset here… for the most part, anyway. Don’t get me wrong - not a “selfish” player and I’ve seen him make some of those passes that get the whole crowd “oohing-ahhing” or jumping out of their seats (depending on the venue if you know what I mean). But that is not usually what he is looking to do…

How he functions as a playmaker/facilitator is something I will be watching closely - can he put everything together and be a really versatile weapon… He’s used to looking for his shot first and getting buckets. And I fully expect that is what he’s going to be asked to do for us, too. But it’s different at this level. His shotmaking will translate, but can he be solid with his handle/decision-making/pass accuracy up to par by B10 play? The keys to your question IMHO boils down to his playmaking and situational decision-making… I’ll be looking at his AST:TO ratio and TS% … to be a one and done/first rounder, I think he has to avoid being labeled only a shot chucker that can't affect the game in other areas or fades into the background if he's not being aggressive/not having a good shooting night. 

Not that defensive consistency necessarily impacts whether he is one and done or not, but that is the other concern I have for this season. When I say “concern” I am holding him to a very high standard, keep in mind. You’re not going to mistake him for Miller Kopp at any point out there. His bball IQ and work ethic + Woodson’s coaching, make me very excited about what he will be able to contribute.

[Hornsby]

Don’t read it unless you’re one of those guys who enjoys watching your X girlfriend/wife with another guy or ripping off the band aid slowly…. Lol

Yep brutal

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[coonhounds]

Sorry but **** kentucky move on were good

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[Kentuckysucks]

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.

[go iu bb]

14 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.

So you think that missing on this one player will be the downfall of Woodson? I find that doubtful.

It would also be better for Woodson to be successful during his time at IU. That way he can hand off a team with talent and, hopefully, recent success in recruiting to his replacement whenever he does move on. 

So I'm not really seeing the "huge positive" that you are. I think IU will be fine without this guy but I don't think missing on him after prioritizing him instead of other guards is a positive. 

[AZ Hoosier]

22 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

So you think that missing on this one player will be the downfall of Woodson? I find that doubtful.

It would also be better for Woodson to be successful during his time at IU. That was he can hand off a team with talent and, hopefully, recent success in recruiting to his replacement whenever he does move on. 

So I'm not really seeing the "huge positive" that you are. I think IU will be fine without this guy but I don't think missing on him after prioritizing him instead of other guards is a positive. 

Agreed. There's no positive here. It always sucks to lose a top recruit, especially to the slime cats... it's not the end of the world, but there is nothing positive about it.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't post much but honestly this could be a huge positive.  Woody is old and will not be here long no matter what.  Better to rip the bandaid off quickly.  What if Cody had gone elsewhere and Crean was canned after year 3?  We'd likely be a lot better off today.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

After a day to reflect. It sucks to lose a very highly prioritized guard. Especially to Kentucky.

But, we have about 10 playable positions. Galloway and Cupps will be back almost certainly.

Transfer portal is always the saving grace because in the Crean days today would be panic time.

Now, we can regroup, get our Nil efforts ready to roll and find our pieces in the Spring and maybe/probably get a more mature PG in the mix.

I’d still like to get Queen and I’m not sure where we stand there but if we get McNeeley/Queen it’s a very solid group.

Adam Howard’s DreamBig24 goes to TransferSZN but not all hope is lost.


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[AKHoosier]

New names will pop up in spring after coaching changes and transfers. That includes Fland.

This will forever be the death of me getting excited about social media happenings during recruitments. Completely worthless to read too much into follows and such.

[Jeff Flabjohns]

13 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

I don't post much

Let’s keep it that way

[Artie86]

1 hour ago, AKHoosier said:

New names will pop up in spring after coaching changes and transfers. That includes Fland.

This will forever be the death of me getting excited about social media happenings during recruitments. Completely worthless to read too much into follows and such.

Sorry, this post started out with a short message, then I got carried away…..Please forgive me, I believe I’ve had too much coffee! Here goes…… Lol

- This is my only social media. I’m 55 years old and enjoy the simple things in life. I don’t do Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat or Tiktok….I only have a Facebook account because my wife and two daughters are always sharing beautiful photos/videos of my 3 wonderful grandchildren. I have vices like everyone does, but I choose to have my top social media of choices be HSN and BTB. 

- The point to all this is, because of all these various social media platforms, kids choices and decisions are so much more difficult to make these days. They are constantly being pulled one direction or another, moods/feelings change from one day to the next and outside influences factor in too. I imagine this was what Boogie may have been going through when he called off all coaches visits prior to his commitment. 

- I mean, Trilly mentioned he thought it was IU up until that Wednesday evening. I really wonder what the major, defining factor that had Boogie choosing the dark side? He mentioned the facilities and their convenience for players, Cal being funny and genuinely caring about his players. 
Was it a strong “used car salesman pitch” from Cal that lured him in or something as simple as the facilities or both? 

- I seriously think IU needs to take notes from some of these recruits, especially if praising player facilities and convenience are mentioned in the same sentence by a recruit. JMO! Lol

 The End! 

[JSHoosier]

45 minutes ago, Artie86 said:

Sorry, this post started out with a short message, then I got carried away…..Please forgive me, I believe I’ve had too much coffee! Here goes…… Lol

- This is my only social media. I’m 55 years old and enjoy the simple things in life. I don’t do Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat or Tiktok….I only have a Facebook account because my wife and two daughters are always sharing beautiful photos/videos of my 3 wonderful grandchildren. I have vices like everyone does, but I choose to have my top social media of choices be HSN and BTB. 

- The point to all this is, because of all these various social media platforms, kids choices and decisions are so much more difficult to make these days. They are constantly being pulled one direction or another, moods/feelings change from one day to the next and outside influences factor in too. I imagine this was what Boogie may have been going through when he called off all coaches visits prior to his commitment. 

- I mean, Trilly mentioned he thought it was IU up until that Wednesday evening. I really wonder what the major, defining factor that had Boogie choosing the dark side? He mentioned the facilities and their convenience for players, Cal being funny and genuinely caring about his players. 
Was it a strong “used car salesman pitch” from Cal that lured him in or something as simple as the facilities or both? 

- I seriously think IU needs to take notes from some of these recruits, especially if praising player facilities and convenience are mentioned in the same sentence by a recruit. JMO! Lol

 The End! 

A long list of high end guards going pro helps a lot.  We see him as a slimey used car salesman, but recruits Fland's age see that Cal's guards go on to make a lot of money.

[Stuhoo]

3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Does anyone off hand know of a guard in college with a brother or dad that played for Woody?

could be reading way to much into this but Goodman posted about how IU is in good shape, good NIL, recruiting momentum etc. said they can land an even better or equal guard to Boogie in portal but “might need a hook like Gonzaga had with Nembard” - Nembard went there looking for better development like “his brother got” fir NBA. 

Slater also liked this post by him. 

could be taking it too literal but these guys tend to hear rumblings and may already have a target in mind. Sure staff could as well if that is the case and further proves they didn’t miss “with no backup plan” 

In other words…

“It’s not who you miss on, it’s who you get.”

[RaceToTheTop]

16 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Does anyone off hand know of a guard in college with a brother or dad that played for Woody?

could be reading way to much into this but Goodman posted about how IU is in good shape, good NIL, recruiting momentum etc. said they can land an even better or equal guard to Boogie in portal but “might need a hook like Gonzaga had with Nembard” - Nembard went there looking for better development like “his brother got” fir NBA. 

Slater also liked this post by him. 

could be taking it too literal but these guys tend to hear rumblings and may already have a target in mind. Sure staff could as well if that is the case and further proves they didn’t miss “with no backup plan” 

And keep in mind that Goodman has previously been very negative toward IU.  

All I know is that when Woodson came in, pretty much everyone on the team was entering the transfer portal and all of the important pieces (except Armaan Franklin) came back + incoming recruits recommitted.  And this spring when it looked like we really were set to lose a lot of talent and not being bringing in much, IU was able to bring in one of the premier rated transfer player, a five star decommit, a useful big man who could surprise, an a depth player.