IUBB vs Wisconsin - 02/15/22 @ 9:00 on ESPN2

[Trish]

18 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

I still doubt Trayce gets drafted. What position will he even play?  He can’t play the 4 cause he can’t or won’t shoot the 3.  And he definitely can’t play the 5. 

This is a very weak draft class. He's a second rounder. He can play the five in the NBA G-League. A team will draft him and hope he develops into something in the G-League. He'll be just fine in the G- League. Now it's up for his future coaching staff and trainers to develop his shooting ability. He still has potential. 

[IUFAN1976]

8 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

She can go shove it. #MackBetterAnyways

I feel the same!  She’s an IU graduate and I think should could still cheer for her fiancé but at least wear IU stuff

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, IU - Kaulie said:

I would take Gallo over any of those six.

I like Galloway but the dude can’t make anything outside a floater consistently 

[Trish]

Rewatching the final play Woodson drew up with 19.2 seconds left in the clock.

 

Kopp threw the basketball in. TJD, Johnson, and Race set 3 screens for Parker to get the basketball. (Someone who can't handle the basketball or put the basketball on the ground)

Parker catches the basketball way to close to the sideline. Kopp comes off the Iverson screens from Race and TJD (Ideally to hit Kopp for a 3 while Johnson goes and sits in the corner. 

Parker doesn't have a good pass and Wisconsin chases the screen actions without switching. 

Parker is left to handle the basketball with screens coming from TJD and Race.

Why not switch Parker and Johnson at the very least? At least Johnson can sometimes create for others. 

 

Very hard to watch from Woodson. I'm sure he didn't sleep well last night after drawing that up. 

[Hovadipo]

8 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

I feel the same!  She’s an IU graduate and I think should could still cheer for her fiancé but at least wear IU stuff

Or at the very least just shut up. She kind of made an ay ess ess out of herself last night with the help of ESPN.

[IUFAN1976]

1 hour ago, HoosierAloha said:

Another annual IU tradition around this time, wait until we get shooters! Fast forward to the off-season, we landed player y (couldn't use X that wouldn't be accurate) and he's a shooter. Player a, b, and c will increase their percentage and be shooters next season. We'll get there in time, it might be wise to use the pieces you have.

But that was an entirely different coaching staff.  The roster is flawed and CMW and staff are trying to piece things together.  Like it or not, he will be our coach next year and the following year like it or not. Your words won’t get him fired this year!

[HoosierAloha]

9 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

But that was an entirely different coaching staff.  The roster is flawed and CMW and staff are trying to piece things together.  Like it or not, he will be our coach next year and the following year like it or not. Your words won’t get him fired this year!

Where are you getting that I want him fired? I would hope my words have zero effect on his employment status. Hopefully, Woody will decide how long he remains employed as the men's head basketball coach at IU.

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

But that was an entirely different coaching staff.  The roster is flawed and CMW and staff are trying to piece things together.  Like it or not, he will be our coach next year and the following year like it or not. Your words won’t get him fired this year!

Honestly you could say the exact same thing 4 years ago about Archie, and there are probably posts that are nearly identical to this one. “Those are Crean’s guys, we can’t blame that on Archie. Wait until he gets his own guys.” We heard that over and over again. 6 of our 13 scholarship players never played a minute for Archie, but the offense is probably worse than it was last season. The flawed roster isn’t the only problem we’ve had this year. Woody has exacerbated the flawed roster with his poor rotations and his offensive game plan. The team is absolutely talented enough to be a tournament lock. 

[LamarCheeks]

Probably comparing apples 

31 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Honestly you could say the exact same thing 4 years ago about Archie, and there are probably posts that are nearly identical to this one. “Those are Crean’s guys, we can’t blame that on Archie. Wait until he gets his own guys.” We heard that over and over again. 6 of our 13 scholarship players never played a minute for Archie, but the offense is probably worse than it was last season. The flawed roster isn’t the only problem we’ve had this year. Woody has exacerbated the flawed roster with his poor rotations and his offensive game plan. The team is absolutely talented enough to be a tournament lock. 

Probably a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison, but I'm still astounded by the job Joe Tiller did with PU's football team years back. Before he got there, their records:
1993: 1-10
1994: 4-5-2
1995: 4-6-1
1996: 3-8

And in his first season -- 1997 -- they were 9-3. The next season: 9-4. 

One offseason is not enough time to overhaul an 85-man roster, so he pretty much had to make do with what he had. That's fantastic coaching. I think truly good coaches can make a difference. I'm not necessarily saying Woody is not a good coach, and I don't by any stretch think this is a BIG championship roster. But I think there are enough good players to at least make the NCAAs. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 minute ago, LamarCheeks said:

Probably comparing apples 

Probably a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison, but I'm still astounded by the job Joe Tiller did with PU's football team years back. Before he got there, their records were:
1993: 1-10
1994: 4-5-2
1995: 4-6-1
1996: 3-8

And in his first season -- 1997 -- they were 9-3. The next season: 9-4. 

One offseason is not enough time to overhaul an 85-man roster, so he pretty much had to make do with what he had. That's fantastic coaching. I think truly good coaches can make a difference. I'm not saying Woody is not a good coach, and I don't by any stretch think this is a BIG championship roster. But I think there are enough good players to at least make the NCAAs. 

And honestly, Archie didn’t leave a great roster obviously, but he did leave a pretty good front court. Race + Trayce is more than what a lot of teams is working with in that department. We’re getting 30 ppg and 16 rpg from those two. If literally any of our guards could be consistently above average we’d be looking at a different basketball team. And part of that is on Woody. He brought in 3 guards/wings in X, Bates, and Kopp, + we added Stewart as well. They’ve all been underwhelming. 

Out of curiosity, I went and looked at my preseason prediction for us. This is where I had us. 

I feel like that was a reasonable expectation for this team based off our roster. 17 days ago we were sitting at 16-5 and 7-4 in the conference.  Heck, if we had just taken care of business against PSU and northwestern we’d be sitting at 18-7 and 9-6 in the conference. That’s before we get into games like @Wisconsin that we absolutely should’ve won but for epic collapses. We can’t help but get in our own way. 

[HoosierHoopster]

1 hour ago, IU - Kaulie said:

As a player I think Gallo is just scratching the surface.  Chase is what a senior playing big minutes.  He’s a fine player but a finished product.  Without looking it up I doubt his shooting is all that much better.  
I guess it just depends on how you value Gallo.  I see I a kid that knows how to play and that still has a lot of potential to improve if he puts in the work and I believe he will.  He is a young player that has just started playing bigger minutes and missed a lot of time with injury.

Dang it - I said I was done defending Gallo.  Thanks Stuhoo.  
 

1st team all-Big hair team for sure!

Largely agree. Galloway brings it on both ends, and  he's really just scratching the surface.

I don't think he's ever going to develop a good jump shot though -- think the wrist/hand injuries have done in his shot. 

That said, he's just going to get better in most aspects of his game, and he's a guy I almost always want out there. He's one of those guys who raises the level of play -- he's a key piece, imo, and a guy I really enjoy rooting for.

On the others, Bates and Geronimo are going to be studs, they're already well on their way but they're still young/developing. I expect Leal to take a step up next season and provide us with more shooting. I would definitely take Race and Rob back -- and man are we missing Rob's D -- though I don't expect either back at this point.

We need to get back to being a guard-oriented team. We have a young stud coming in in Hood-S, but we need more athletic shooting wings and guards. The focus on the inside game is killing us.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, Hovadipo said:

Or at the very least just shut up. She kind of made an ay ess ess out of herself last night with the help of ESPN.

She kinda came off as the exact person she was anyways... The personalities match well between the two. But also acted like her 4 years here were worthless. It was weird. 

[Hovadipo]

15 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

She kinda came off as the exact person she was anyways... 

An excellent way to put it.

[str8baller]

3 hours ago, IU_FanClub said:

Serious question: If we are going to get basically zero production from Kopp and Stewart then why not play Leal and Bates more and at least get them reps to improve for the future. They can't possibly produce less than Kopp and Stewart

Serious answer: your best player is a pure post guy who needs a little space to operate. The thinking has to be that Kopp and Parker provide that because they can knock down 3’s.   
 

When teams crowd TJD, like wisky did at the game, our offense grinds to a halt. What did we get out of it? Wide open 3’s for Galloway and XJ that barely drew iron. Otoh, you saw what happened when Davidson tried to cheat to TJD and TJD kicked the ball out: made 3ptr.   The flip side is that TJD’s shot blocking erases some of their matador defense. 
 

Trust me, I’m as frustrated by those two as anyone. But Woody thinks they pair better with TJD than the second unit, and I tend to agree. 

[IU_FanClub]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Serious answer: your best player is a pure post guy who needs a little space to operate. The thinking has to be that Kopp and Parker provide that because they can knock down 3’s.   
 

When teams crowd TJD, like wisky did at the game, our offense grinds to a halt. What did we get out of it? Wide open 3’s for Galloway and XJ that barely drew iron. Otoh, you saw what happened when Davidson tried to cheat to TJD and TJD kicked the ball out: made 3ptr.   The flip side is that TJD’s shot blocking erases some of their matador defense. 
 

Trust me, I’m as frustrated by those two as anyone. But Woody thinks they pair better with TJD than the second unit, and I tend to agree. 

I understand the philosophy behind it but at this point those 2 haven't been a good fit because they either don't shoot or don't make why not try the younger more athletic guys that have higher potential to grow into something not just later in the future but also throughout the season

[str8baller]

11 minutes ago, IU_FanClub said:

I understand the philosophy behind it but at this point those 2 haven't been a good fit because they either don't shoot or don't make why not try the younger more athletic guys that have higher potential to grow into something not just later in the future but also throughout the season

Respectfully, I don’t think you do understand the philosophy.  
 

Parker shoots 43% from 3 on over 4 attempts a game. That leads the team. By a lot. 
 

kopp shoots 37% on almost 3 attempts. That is second on the team. 
 

They’re our two best shooters. Period. They’re also currently 2 of our 8 best players so they have to play. 
 

Your solution is to surround TJD with worse shooters giving him more double teams? Or you want to make our bench unit worse by adding two players who can’t defend without interior shot blocking, or you want to give our two best shooters less open looks by not playing them with the only guy that commands a double team?  
 

Galloway and Bates are playing similar minutes, but they have a better chance at creating their own shot and defending their own position. They’re also not good 3pt shooters.  Pairing them with TJD doesn’t really net you as much. 

[IU_FanClub]

1 minute ago, str8baller said:

Respectfully, I don’t think you do understand the philosophy.  
 

Parker shoots 43% from 3 on over 4 attempts a game. That leads the team. By a lot. 
 

kopp shoots 37% on almost 3 attempts. That is second on the team. 
 

They’re our two best shooters. Period. They’re also currently 2 of our 8 best players so they have to play. 
 

Your solution is to surround TJD with worse shooters giving him more double teams? Or you want to make our bench unit worse by adding two players who can’t defend without interior shot blocking, or you want to give our two best shooters less open looks by not playing them with the only guy that commands a double team?  
 

Galloway and Bates are playing similar minutes, but they have a better chance at creating their own shot and defending their own position. They’re also not good 3pt shooters.  Pairing them with TJD doesn’t really net you as much. 

Kopp hasn't made more than 2 shots in a game since December 12th and Stewart's percentage is inflated from the early season game against the cupcakes. If they were doing as well as the picture you just painted with those numbers then this conversation wouldn't even be happening and we probably are not on a 4 game losing streak and on the bubble right now

[HoosierX]

4 hours ago, kreigh8 said:

Didn't watch the game too closely as friends convinced me to play Halo instead, but why on earth in crunchtime did IU have Kopp guarding Davis? That doesn't seem like a good recipe for closing out a win. Kopp may be a nice guy and provide leadership, but he leaves a lot to be desired on the court

He did a hell of a lot better than Stewart did when he was guarding him which was even more perplexing.

[IU - Kaulie]

1 hour ago, HoosierHoopster said:

Largely agree. Galloway brings it on both ends, and  he's really just scratching the surface.

I don't think he's ever going to develop a good jump shot though -- think the wrist/hand injuries have done in his shot. 

That said, he's just going to get better in most aspects of his game, and he's a guy I almost always want out there. He's one of those guys who raises the level of play -- he's a key piece, imo, and a guy I really enjoy rooting for.

On the others, Bates and Geronimo are going to be studs, they're already well on their way but they're still young/developing. I expect Leal to take a step up next season and provide us with more shooting. I would definitely take Race and Rob back -- and man are we missing Rob's D -- though I don't expect either back at this point.

We need to get back to being a guard-oriented team. We have a young stud coming in in Hood-S, but we need more athletic shooting wings and guards. The focus on the inside game is killing us.

I strongly agree and CMW has said it’s a guards game especially at the point.  He’s getting those kids recruited and going after them.  JHS like you said is a stud.  Everything I have seen on here screams that Cupps will be a special player for us.  I don’t know where we stand with Little but no doubt CMW knows what he needs and is going after them.

[Alford Bailey]

47 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Serious answer: your best player is a pure post guy who needs a little space to operate. The thinking has to be that Kopp and Parker provide that because they can knock down 3’s.   
 

When teams crowd TJD, like wisky did at the game, our offense grinds to a halt. What did we get out of it? Wide open 3’s for Galloway and XJ that barely drew iron. Otoh, you saw what happened when Davidson tried to cheat to TJD and TJD kicked the ball out: made 3ptr.   The flip side is that TJD’s shot blocking erases some of their matador defense. 
 

Trust me, I’m as frustrated by those two as anyone. But Woody thinks they pair better with TJD than the second unit, and I tend to agree. 

There just isn’t a better option.