LamarCheeks Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, kreigh8 said: I thought Hollis Price was so good that tourney and wish we had him at IU but I’m still thankful he picked the IU game in the tourney to have a stinker Jeff Newton was a beast against the Sooners! He won us that game. Josh, hoosierfan6157, thebigweave and 3 others 6
JSHoosier Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said: Not bashing anybody, but I've always found it hugely ironic that at the top of Kelvin Sampson's list of achievements is a trip to the Final Four. Where he lost to ... Mike Davis. Speaking of Davis, he was over .500 in conference in each of his last 2 seasons, something Miller hasn't even managed once. He's doing worse than Davis did with his own players, that should be cause enough. Also a reason to resign in embarrassment. Stuhoo, lillurk, Josh and 3 others 6
HoosierTrav Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 52 minutes ago, Indiana8585 said: I was a student when Sampson was there and he could flat out coach and didn’t even need the phone call problem. When you look at what has gone unpunished at UNCheat and other places it’s frustrating we got hit so hard for telling on ourselves. In ten years at OU he made the tourney 9 times, won 3 Big 12 conference tournament titles, and 1 Regular season title. Also made 3 S16’s, 2 EE’s, and 1 final four. Now at Houston he’s made four straight well three since last year tourney appearances barely losing in the S16 two years ago. We’d have an extra banner or 2 hanging alongside the other 5 of Sampson had continued being the coach. People can say what they want from their moral ivory tower. He was the best coach since knight and what he did at ok or IU doesn’t make him an immoral human, like many IU fans try to make him out to be. I wish we had him back honestly. thebigweave, Indiana8585, Josh and 4 others 7
LamarCheeks Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 17 minutes ago, HoosierTrav said: We’d have an extra banner or 2 hanging alongside the other 5 of Sampson had continued being the coach. People can say what they want from their moral ivory tower. He was the best coach since knight and what he did at ok or IU doesn’t make him an immoral human, like many IU fans try to make him out to be. I wish we had him back honestly. I'm not sure IU fans make him out to be immoral, but he committed infractions at Oklahoma and was told to knock that crap off when he got to IU. But instead, he continued and landed the program in a sh-t heap of trouble. Plus, he recruited some pretty questionable dudes to B-town. But I will agree with you on this -- "I wish we had him back honestly." ... If he did things honestly, we likely wouldn't be in the mess we are now. Indiana8585 and woodenshoemanHoosierfan 1 1
Trish Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 41 minutes ago, Feathery said: Fair enough. I can’t say I agree. He may know X’s and O’s to a degree but he doesn’t know roster construction or how to build for the modem game. Recruiting/roster construction is his biggest issue and it hasn’t been fixed for 4 years. We’ve discussed it to its death at this point but I think his recruiting just went the total opposite. Phin was a bust. Hunter, Anderson, Jake, and Evan all turned out to be busts. Losing Justin Smith didn’t help. Losing Joey Brunk didn’t help. Al being inconsistent and Kristian being not ready just didn’t help as well. Not excuses, he hasn’t won period. But the players were busts. This freshman class will be good so that’s good. Kristian will be fine. Recruiting comes down to luck as well. The players we got should’ve been better, they weren’t! MikeRoberts, Scout, Rookie33 and 1 other 3 1
JSHoosier Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 26 minutes ago, JSHoosier said: Speaking of Davis, he was over .500 in conference in each of his last 2 seasons, something Miller hasn't even managed once. He's doing worse than Davis did with his own players, that should be cause enough. Also a reason to resign in embarrassment. To expand on this, Davis was over .500 overall in 5 of 6 seasons (granted first couple were Knight's players), .500 or better in conference every year but 1, made the NCAA 4 times with atleast 1 win 3 times, and was in NCAA 2nd round his last year. We'd have people wanting to extend Miller for the results that we wanted Davis run out of town for. Archie Miller is worse than Mike Davis, a guy that had zero HC experience, and somehow he still has a job. taco corp, woodenshoemanHoosierfan, DChoosier and 3 others 6
Feathery Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, Treesh said: We’ve discussed it to its death at this point but I think his recruiting just went the total opposite. Phin was a bust. Hunter, Anderson, Jake, and Evan all turned out to be busts. Losing Justin Smith didn’t help. Losing Joey Brunk didn’t help. Al being inconsistent and Kristian being not ready just didn’t help as well. Not excuses, he hasn’t won period. But the players were busts. This freshman class will be good so that’s good. Kristian will be fine. Recruiting comes down to luck as well. The players we got should’ve been better, they weren’t! The opposite? Sounds like you agree it hasn’t been good enough. If a recruit is a bust, then that’s on the coach for misidentification or lack of player development. MikeRoberts, woodenshoemanHoosierfan and lillurk 3
DChoosier Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said: Not bashing anybody, but I've always found it hugely ironic that at the top of Kelvin Sampson's list of achievements is a trip to the Final Four. Where he lost to ... Mike Davis. Ha, That is funny. It is even more funny/puzzling (IT WAS GREAT) that Davis beat Coach K two games prior to the Okie game. Indiana8585 and lillurk 2
Popular Post 323SGrant Posted March 13, 2021 Popular Post Posted March 13, 2021 We’d have an extra banner or 2 hanging alongside the other 5 of Sampson had continued being the coach. People can say what they want from their moral ivory tower. He was the best coach since knight and what he did at ok or IU doesn’t make him an immoral human, like many IU fans try to make him out to be. I wish we had him back honestly. When Sampson persuaded Eric Gordon to decommit from Illinois and commit to IU, I was dancing a jig.Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app Indiana8585, lillurk, woodenshoemanHoosierfan and 6 others 9
lillurk Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 38 minutes ago, JSHoosier said: To expand on this, Davis was over .500 overall in 5 of 6 seasons (granted first couple were Knight's players), .500 or better in conference every year but 1, made the NCAA 4 times with atleast 1 win 3 times, and was in NCAA 2nd round his last year. We'd have people wanting to extend Miller for the results that we wanted Davis run out of town for. Archie Miller is worse than Mike Davis, a guy that had zero HC experience, and somehow he still has a job. Yes, hard to overstate that the ONLY comparable four year stretch in IU history in terms of poor outcomes is Crean’s first four years, and he inherited a much bigger mess. We’d all take Crean’s first four and where we stood then over Archie’s first four every day of the week. Josh, woodenshoemanHoosierfan, Loaded Chicken Sandwich and 1 other 4
lillurk Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 Just now, lillurk said: Yes, hard to overstate that the ONLY comparable four year stretch in IU history in terms of poor outcomes is Crean’s first four years, and he inherited a much bigger mess. We’d all take Crean’s first four and where we stood then over Archie’s first four every day of the week. *four year stretch under a single coach
Trish Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 50 minutes ago, Feathery said: The opposite? Sounds like you agree it hasn’t been good enough. If a recruit is a bust, then that’s on the coach for misidentification or lack of player development. Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. BGleas 1
Feathery Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Treesh said: Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. Yup. Such is the life of a coach. It’s win or go home. The guy making millions is always going to be the guy responsible for the losing over the 18-22 year old young men. Trish, Hoosier DaDa, Josh and 1 other 4
Hoosier Guy Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 48 minutes ago, 323SGrant said: When Sampson persuaded Eric Gordon to decommit from Illinois and commit to IU, I was dancing a jig. Sent from my iPhone using BtownBanners mobile app I was in 6th grade with the Midnight Madness that season. Assembly Hall was insane that night. The start of a new era and you had Eric Gordon flip from Illinois to IU that day. That was a fun night Chris007, thebigweave, lillurk and 2 others 5
MikeRoberts Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Treesh said: Yeah I’m saying Archie is responsible but the players are also responsible. Archie is the fall guy in the situation since he is the head coach. It’s not him being the fall guy, it is his job, he makes all the decisions and is paid $3+ million a year and if he actually won games he could be at $4 million a year with incentives that’s crazy to think how much money he has been paid to have the worst 4 year stretch in IU history. Think about that, worse than Mike Davis, worse than Tom Crean. Crean won 27 games in year 4 and almost knocked off eventual champion Kentucky in the Sweet 16. All that after only inheriting Kyle taber 3 years earlier. there is nothing, absolutely nothing to be excited about the past 4 years and as we go into year 5 with gaping holes and open scholarships and still can’t shoot or defend the 3, enough is enough Zero winning seasons in the bigten, zero lillurk, woodenshoemanHoosierfan, MoyeNeeded and 2 others 5
lillurk Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 Knight’s team was ranked top five at some point in each of his first six years, went to a final 4 in y2, undefeated until an injury y4, undefeated national champ y5. Davis was ranked at some point each of the first three years and went 6-3 in the tournament in those years. Sampson: ranked both years, won a tournament game in y1, 22-4 and top ten when fired. Crean: probably should’ve been better in y3 but y4 got into the top 10 and lost a great game to the champs in the sweet sixteen. No need to make the Archie excuses with the next coach. They don’t “need their guys” or “need to implement their system” in a way that takes years. Year one is almost always a transition of sorts but basketball isn’t football, you only need a small number of players to be pretty darn good. Michigan’s a good example: they’ve got six real Dudes (Smith, Brooks, Wagner, Livers, Dickinson, Brown) and some other guys who are either limited backups or youngsters who don’t contribute much but have some potential. pumpfake 1
RaceToTheTop Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 I'm scouting the Arkansas/LSU game for y'all to watch Musselman. It's currently Arkansas 29, LSU 24.....9 minutes into the game. IU didn't score 60 points in 40 minutes in our last four games. Chris007, kreigh8, IUc2016 and 1 other 4
Magisterium Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 21 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said: I truly don’t know how the trustees could watch this season, watch us get beat by Purdue every time we play them, and still be 50/50 of the money is there. Just makes me sad as someone who loves IU. We are our own worst enemy. some of these people, I suspect, are the same people who resisted the facilities updates and construction of Cook Hall since "Bob Knight won championships without them" and they thought the improvements were unnecessary this time around I additionally suspect they're more worried about the (supposed) national "bad optics" that might result from dismissing a coach in his 4th year than they are worried about wins and losses. Appearance over substance, in other words... Hoosierfan2017, lillurk and HoosierFan1994 3
Golfman25 Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 4 hours ago, Treesh said: Archie fans (just me I guess) we’re going to make it two full days with Archie staying! The train stays rolling! LOL Yeah. Can we start of Fire Donolson thread?
hoosierbannerd Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Golfman25 said: Yeah. Can we start of Fire Donolson thread? Mike Donolson..ran a power wash business, great pool player..he needs to be fired? mamasa, Chris007, thebigweave and 1 other 3 1
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