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4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Wait, which really good year am I supposed to focus on? This year, last year, or 2017?

Because if he only had one good year, I have to know which one it is so that I can assess it appropriately.

You're not supposed on to focus on any of those. You're just supposed to focus on the fact that he played with Calbert in high school. 

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1 hour ago, Demo said:

I think you really need to chew that sentence down to the bone for a second, And yeah, I cut the rest of the post out because I thought the above deserved special attention, but a couple of other points: What Drew did there is 1 of the greatest reclamation jobs in the history of D1 college sports. That thing was stone dead. And it’s not like it was pre-Sampson IU before Dennehy. It was a $hit job with no resources and always had been. There was literally nothing to build on. And that guy put it on the national map and then some. And the Crean comp, stop it. Nobody alive, including Tom Crean, thinks they’re on a similar level. Drew would be a top 10-15 guy in the country by consensus. Not sure he’d be my guy because there’s some temperament stuff I’d need to get comfortable with, but the idea that maybe he’s not really that good, c’mon.

What are your temperament concerns? I think I know what you're alluding to but I am curious to hear it from you.

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8 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Wait, which really good year am I supposed to focus on? This year, last year, or 2017?

Because if he only had one good year, I have to know which one it is so that I can assess it appropriately.

Yep, he has multiple good years. Still, 3 out 15 is pretty underwhelming.

TBH, I think even 3 is a stretch. He had a good run in the tournament but the regular season wasn't spectacular. A good one for him but was still just 11-9 in the ACC for 5th place. The only year he had single digit losses was the COVID year when they played only 24 games and lost 8 of them. This current season is by far the best regular season he's ever had. 

Such a hard pass from me. He would be an incredibly disappointing hire. I'd view it as IU throwing in the towel on basketball and saying just being okay is okay.

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9 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Yep, he has multiple good years. Still, 3 out 15 is pretty underwhelming.

TBH, I think even 3 is a stretch. He had a good run in the tournament but the regular season wasn't spectacular. A good one for him but was still just 11-9 in the ACC for 5th place. The only year he had single digit losses was the COVID year when they played only 24 games and lost 8 of them. This current season is by far the best regular season he's ever had. 

Such a hard pass from me. He would be an incredibly disappointing hire. I'd view it as IU throwing in the towel on basketball and saying just being okay is okay.

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices. Pretty sure we won’t get that far.

However, while he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, he might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell.

Guys like that would put their very heart and soul into the job, are fully versed power five coaches with solid on court schemes, and are much less likely to flame out than lotto ticket guys like Schertz or McCollum who have never schemed against and recruited against guys like Izzo, Painter, and Underwood.
 

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3 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices.

However, he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, but might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell.
 

Might win a **** ton of games? Based on what? Certainly not his record to date. He'll magically become a better coach at IU which is also in a better conference?

I'm not convinced Collins would win a ton at IU, either. Better than at NW? Maybe, but that's not saying much. I don't think he would be significantly better.

At some point, their records pretty accurately reflect their talent. I think that is the case with both.

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Ya know who probably has a pretty good idea of who our next coach is going to be?
Trent Sisley and Harun Zrno.

I’ve actually talked to Trent’s dad about the hire and who we thought it would be. Unless he’s keeping it under wraps they have no idea just like us. He just mentions that Dolson calls them and keeps in touch often.


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2 minutes ago, Dillion said:

I’ve actually talked to Trent’s dad about the hire and who we thought it would be. Unless he’s keeping it under wraps they have no idea just like us. He just mentions that Dolson calls them and keeps in touch often.


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Can’t imagine an 18 year old kid is gonna be trusted with that info. He’ll be on the list of day one calls for the new coach, but he’ll find out who that is when we all do. 

And in case it needs to be said, that isn’t a knock on anyone.

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

Can’t imagine an 18 year old kid is gonna be trusted with that info. He’ll be on the list of day one calls for the new coach, but he’ll find out who that is when we all do. 

And in case it needs to be said, that isn’t a knock on anyone.

Sisley's dad is only 18!? Holy crap, how'd that happen?

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Might win a **** ton of games? Based on what? Certainly not his record to date. He'll magically become a better coach at IU which is also in a better conference?

I'm not convinced Collins would win a ton at IU, either. Better than at NW? Maybe, but that's not saying much. I don't think he would be significantly better.

At some point, their records pretty accurately reflect their talent. I think that is the case with both.

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference.

And based on their ability to improve as they become more experienced.

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

If making the tournament 5 times in 15 years is overachieving, sign me up for the Clemson job.

He's done exactly what a middling coach does at a middling university. Occasionally make the tournament and occasionally go about .500.  

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16 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

OK I know who it is, but I'm not going to tell. My source: a little birdie. 

Too bad so sad.

Larry Bird?  Non-college coach.  Here we go!

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

I don't see what he's done as overachieving. What Scott Drew has done at Baylor is overachieving, even if you don't count the NC. 

What Brownell's done I call just enough to not get fired from a school with low expectations.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Hopefully, neither he nor Collins gets hired as the next IU coach so it's all moot.

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11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices.

However, he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, but might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell. Guys like that would put their very heart and soul into the job, and are fully versed power five coaches with solid, on court schemes, and are much less likely to flame out than lotto ticket guys like Schertz or McCollum who have never schemed against and recruited against guys like Izzo, Painter, and Underwood.
 

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

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2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I don't see what he's done as overachieving. What Scott Drew has done at Baylor is overachieving, even if you don't count the NC. 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Hopefully, either he nor Collins gets hired as the next IU coach so it's all moot.

Seriously, go look at Baylor's basketball history before Drew got there, and compared it to post Drew.  It looks like 2 different schools. They had made the tournament one time since 1950!

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7 minutes ago, Mopladysman said:

Larry Bird?  Non-college coach.  Here we go!

That would be giving us the Bird.

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3 minutes ago, VFury said:

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

Look at how NW has trended since he took over. Do you have the imagination to picture a coach doing better at Indiana than Northwestern? I mean, Collins is not my top choice and I doubt he leaves, but the guy is a good coach IMO. The results are the most important thing but W-L record hardly ever tells the whole story IMO.

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5 minutes ago, VFury said:

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

Northwestern has 3 tournament berths in its history and he’s the coach for all 3. And they won a game each time.

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

Not really. His success at Clemson isn't all that earth shattering. Besides, great coaches make the program, it's usually not the other way around. Look at Baylor or Virginia.

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3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Look at how NW has trended since he took over. Do you have the imagination to picture a coach doing better at Indiana than Northwestern? I mean, Collins is not my top choice and I doubt he leaves, but the guy is a good coach IMO. The results are the most important thing but W-L record hardly ever tells the whole story IMO.

No, obviously I don't. Which is why I said I didn't. A 37% won rate doesn't magically turn into 70% just because the recruiting standards change.

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There's this thing called the Brad Stevens train. I'm still on it. Get er' done Scott!