General Coach Candidate News

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1 minute ago, Hovadipo said:

Can’t imagine an 18 year old kid is gonna be trusted with that info. He’ll be on the list of day one calls for the new coach, but he’ll find out who that is when we all do. 

And in case it needs to be said, that isn’t a knock on anyone.

Sisley's dad is only 18!? Holy crap, how'd that happen?

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17 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

Might win a **** ton of games? Based on what? Certainly not his record to date. He'll magically become a better coach at IU which is also in a better conference?

I'm not convinced Collins would win a ton at IU, either. Better than at NW? Maybe, but that's not saying much. I don't think he would be significantly better.

At some point, their records pretty accurately reflect their talent. I think that is the case with both.

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference.

And based on their ability to improve as they become more experienced.

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Just now, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

If making the tournament 5 times in 15 years is overachieving, sign me up for the Clemson job.

He's done exactly what a middling coach does at a middling university. Occasionally make the tournament and occasionally go about .500.  

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16 minutes ago, HoosierHoopster said:

OK I know who it is, but I'm not going to tell. My source: a little birdie. 

Too bad so sad.

Larry Bird?  Non-college coach.  Here we go!

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1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

I don't see what he's done as overachieving. What Scott Drew has done at Baylor is overachieving, even if you don't count the NC. 

What Brownell's done I call just enough to not get fired from a school with low expectations.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Hopefully, neither he nor Collins gets hired as the next IU coach so it's all moot.

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11 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

I am certainly not advocating that Brownell should be one of our first few choices.

However, he is absolutely one of those guys that would be met with open revolt by the fan base, but might win a **** ton of games. Kind of like Chris Collins, who I prefer to Brownell. Guys like that would put their very heart and soul into the job, and are fully versed power five coaches with solid, on court schemes, and are much less likely to flame out than lotto ticket guys like Schertz or McCollum who have never schemed against and recruited against guys like Izzo, Painter, and Underwood.
 

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

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2 minutes ago, go iu bb said:

I don't see what he's done as overachieving. What Scott Drew has done at Baylor is overachieving, even if you don't count the NC. 

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this. Hopefully, either he nor Collins gets hired as the next IU coach so it's all moot.

Seriously, go look at Baylor's basketball history before Drew got there, and compared it to post Drew.  It looks like 2 different schools. They had made the tournament one time since 1950!

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7 minutes ago, Mopladysman said:

Larry Bird?  Non-college coach.  Here we go!

That would be giving us the Bird.

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3 minutes ago, VFury said:

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

Look at how NW has trended since he took over. Do you have the imagination to picture a coach doing better at Indiana than Northwestern? I mean, Collins is not my top choice and I doubt he leaves, but the guy is a good coach IMO. The results are the most important thing but W-L record hardly ever tells the whole story IMO.

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5 minutes ago, VFury said:

Chris Collins has a .500 winning percentage and 37 percent in the big ten. I don't have the imagination to think how a coach who has been that bad can somehow win at a rate that we want.

Northwestern has 3 tournament berths in its history and he’s the coach for all 3. And they won a game each time.

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6 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Based on his ability to overachieve at what should be a bottom feeder basketball school in a really tough conference
 

Not really. His success at Clemson isn't all that earth shattering. Besides, great coaches make the program, it's usually not the other way around. Look at Baylor or Virginia.

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3 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Look at how NW has trended since he took over. Do you have the imagination to picture a coach doing better at Indiana than Northwestern? I mean, Collins is not my top choice and I doubt he leaves, but the guy is a good coach IMO. The results are the most important thing but W-L record hardly ever tells the whole story IMO.

No, obviously I don't. Which is why I said I didn't. A 37% won rate doesn't magically turn into 70% just because the recruiting standards change.

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There's this thing called the Brad Stevens train. I'm still on it. Get er' done Scott! 

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2 minutes ago, VFury said:

No, obviously I don't. Which is why I said I didn't. A 37% won rate doesn't magically turn into 70% just because the recruiting standards change.

Seems to me like having access to a greater pool of talent could feasibly make a big positive impact on a coach’s ability to win. Agree to disagree. 

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Just now, Home Jersey said:

Seems to me like having access to a greater pool of talent could feasibly make a big positive impact on a coach’s ability to win. Agree to disagree. 

It doesn't, but you can keep believing that if you want.

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Re: Archie, I think in retrospect it was always going to fail, but it’s surprising how badly it failed. I think a big issue is that Archie couldn’t find the right point guard to compensate for his bad (yet hyper controlling) offenses. At Dayton he had Schoochie Smith, and he really kept those teams afloat in March. I always loved and rooted hard for Rob Phinisee, but he was never what Archie needed him to be. 
 

I think something similar happened with Woodson and Reneau. Woodson was always going to play two bigs, and when one of them can neither shoot nor rebound nor defend the rim, he was screwed. 
 

Archie and Woodson were bad coaches. But I think things got worse, and got worse faster, because they didn’t have the right players at key positions for their team building—and of course couldn’t adapt. You get the key position wrong (PG for Archie, PF for Woodson), you never have a chance. 
 

So let’s hope for a new coach who is more flexible and better at evaluating. 

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13 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Look at how NW has trended since he took over. Do you have the imagination to picture a coach doing better at Indiana than Northwestern? I mean, Collins is not my top choice and I doubt he leaves, but the guy is a good coach IMO. The results are the most important thing but W-L record hardly ever tells the whole story IMO.

I’ll go with the Bill Parcels “you are what your record says you are “ school of thought.

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Just now, Jet812 said:

I’ll go with the Bill Parcels “you are what your record says you are “ school of thought.

That’s reasonable. 

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13 minutes ago, VFury said:

Not really. His success at Clemson isn't all that earth shattering. Besides, great coaches make the program, it's usually not the other way around. Look at Baylor or Virginia.

Baylor is a good example, but Virginia isn't. They were a good program in the past before Bennett.

Terry Holland won over 300 games there and made 2 elite 8s and 2 final 4s. 

They had a good basketball history before Bennett...

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7 minutes ago, Jet812 said:

I’ll go with the Bill Parcels “you are what your record says you are “ school of thought.

Yep and before he got to Northwestern they had 0 ncaa tourney appearances for the entire program.  He has taken a program that had 0 history and gave them a history.  Maybe he isn’t good enough for most to take over IU however I know one thing, if he was the coach of IU I wouldn’t have to worry about whether or not the team I’m invested in would play hard.   Personally i would be interested to see how he would do at a program that actually has a little basketball history and resources