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[Home Jersey]

Just now, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Good luck getting that answer, it's "I know someone who said this about him" and "I heard from such and such about this thing he did that one time back in this one place".

Does it not stand to reason that those schools found something that disqualified him from their consideration? And therefore IU may reasonably draw the same conclusion?

[12345Brad]

1 minute ago, IndianaSconnie90 said:

Good luck getting that answer, it's "I know someone who said this about him" and "I heard from such and such about this thing he did that one time back in this one place".

Exactly.  But with that said, there just has to be some truth to something or else he’d be in the state of Kentucky somewhere.  

[Sobchak_Security]

53 minutes ago, bobknightsghost said:

I don’t think Cronin is a bad coach. He’s just in lower tier than beard IMO.

He was 16-17 last year (his 5th year) at UCLA

if Cronin goes 16-17 his fifth year at IU the student section will be chanting “fire Cronin” and leaving at halftime

Cronin just isn’t a fit IMO.  Personality is abrasive (can’t imagine Dolson would enjoy that in the athletic office everyday), he whines a lot, UCLA fans don’t show up to watch his teams.  Positive would be I am sure UCLA wouldn’t be too sad to see him leave, so might get a negotiated deal on the buyout.  But guys like him will wear on you.  And his personality isn’t going to change just by coming here.  I have heard that he was very interested in the Louisville job last season and they passed.

 

Having said that….I’ll take him anytime over Brad Brownell

[IndianaSconnie90]

Just now, Home Jersey said:

Does it not stand to reason that those schools found something that disqualified him from their consideration? And therefore IU may reasonably draw the same conclusion?

Like what? Police reports beyond the obvious or rumor and speculation? I'm not going to go too deep in the weeds on the Beard stuff but I'm not going to act like I know something about what other universities did or didn't do and why they didn't hire a particular coach. There are enough on this message boards that feel comfortable doing that

[spe317]

52 minutes ago, IU Prof said:

I'm convinced that the appeal of Beard for some people has nothing to do with coaching (because his record isn't that good). It's about the perception that he is an alpha, along with some kind of cultural/social signaling about not caring about the DV incident and his other baggage.

I’m torn between wanting to see Stevens at IU and hoping that meteor hits us 10 years early. Cannot tell you how much I’m self-medicating via this coaching search. 

[IndianaSconnie90]

2 minutes ago, 12345Brad said:

Exactly.  But with that said, there just has to be some truth to something or else he’d be in the state of Kentucky somewhere.  

Perhaps, maybe not though. I'm in no position to know why Kentucky didn't hire him or rather why they chose to go with someone else

[IUFAN1976]

19 minutes ago, IUGRAD06 said:

I can guarantee there are a ton of good coaches who have not choked their fiancée to passing out and spent the night in jail for it.   JFC.  If I ever do that, please nobody hire me.  

Allegedly!  Charges were dropped and I got news for you, we aren’t deciding who our next coach will be.  I believe that will be Dolson and staff!   

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild]

35 minutes ago, Home Jersey said:

Chris Beard (age 52) career record 275-117 (.703) conference records: 

• Heartland conference: 10-8 (.556) 
• Lone Star conference 19-9 (.679) 
• Sun Belt conference 17-3 (.850)
• Big 12 w/ TTU 49-40 (.551) 
• Big 12 w/ Texas 10-8 (.556) 
• SEC 15-16 (.484) 

Mick Cronin (age 53) career record 499-232 (.683) conference records:

• Ohio Valley: 42-10 (.808) 
• Big East / AAC: 135-87 (.608) 
• Pac 12 / Big 10: 78-35 (.690)

Another candidate for comparison

Buzz Williams (age 52) career record 370-223 (.624) conference records

• Sun Belt conference 9-9 (.500) 
• Big East: 69-39 (.639) 
• ACC: 44-46 (.489) 
• SEC: 54-41 (.568) 

It’s also a lot easier to win at UCLA than it is at Ole Miss which has to be taken into consideration. For me it’s 1. Who is a better recruiter 2. Who will target high school players because Indiana has wayyy too many good ones to be portal hunting only 3. WHO is good at X’s and O’s. IMO there is a reason Calapari isn’t great at Arkansas and it has to do with him being a bad X’s and O’s guy and now that playing field is even and he can’t cheat for 5 stars he’s struggling. 4. Who could be here for 15-20 years and not wear out their welcome. If IU got tired of Crean I don’t see how Cronin wouldn’t wear out his welcome 5-6 years into it since he’s not afraid to call out his players or the fans which won’t go over well here. 

[RoadRage]

I refuse to take the bait on Beard’s history, but I wonder if this forum should allow the bait in the first place. The charges were dropped and the complaint recanted, so it borders on defamation to allow people to accuse him as if he was found guilty. I am not even sure that legally the school can use these allegations against him?

That is all I am saying on the issue since I was not present and have no idea what happened that evening.

[Stuhoo]

25 minutes ago, IUFB said:

For my money if this gets by Drew at this point, I go straight to McCollum. 

I know his offense isn’t quite the change of pace we’re hoping for but his resume is something i’m absolutely willing to take a chance on. 

His resume is devoid of any P5 experience, and all but devoid of D1 experience.

Tell me why he’s not Ray Harper part 2.

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

18 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Popes in his honeymoon phase. At this point in Woodys tenure everyone loved him too. 
 

UK isn’t even in the top half of the SEC. Another yer like this one next year and we’ll see how good he is at the fishbowl aspect. They’ll run him out of town too. 

Eh not really. This day his first year IU was 16-10 and had lost 5 straight. His first year was real mid. 

[IvanRenkosillegitimatechild]

1 hour ago, RoadRage said:

That’s true, but you have to have a coach that can assess talent and find guys that fit into your program….Cignetti gave us all a master class in that in football, now we need to find someone to do it for our basketball team!

I don’t want someone with Cignettis personality though. I want someone a little more humble who can still demand a room. Cignetti has to win every year IMO to be able to maintain his level of cockiness and if he doesn’t then fans will turn on him quickly due to it.

[12345Brad]

18 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

Why? He’s literally done nothing impressive IMO

Really?  Im personally impressed what he’s done at NW. 

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, Demo said:

I don’t love the fit for him here, but his record speaks for itself and if he’s the guy would have no problem rooting for him and would be excited to see how it plays out. And since we’re back on the Beard thing, given a choice of Cronin or Beard I would take Cronin 10 times out of 10 because, and if it makes me holier than thou than I guess it does, but not beating women strikes me as a minimum expectation for the job. 

Let’s do a comparison:

Coach A: Great winning percentage for over ten years at top tier programs. NOT an alcoholic.

Coach B: Great winning percentage for over ten years at top tier programs. An alcoholic.

I’m picking ‘A’, (Cronin) over ‘B’ (Beard). And that’s even if Cronin is a bit cranky, and doesn’t even incorporate the domestic violence allegation.

[RoadRage]

5 minutes ago, IvanRenkosillegitimatechild said:

I don’t want someone with Cignettis personality though. I want someone a little more humble who can still demand a room. Cornett has to win every year IMO to be able to maintain his level of cockiness and if he doesn’t then fans will turn on him quickly due to it.

Wow….I love Cignetti’s personality, he had to change the culture here from a team that expected to lose to one that expected to win. I hope he doesn’t change a thing. I don’t think any of the coaches on our radar have that level of cockiness so I don’t think you have to worry. I wasn’t referring to his personality I was referring to his ability to assess talent and find the right players to plug into his system.

[Home Jersey]

19 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

His resume is devoid of any P5 experience, and all but devoid of D1 experience.

Tell me why he’s not Ray Harper part 2.

 

His one year in D1 is likely going to be better than any Ray Harper has had already. Harper’s D2 success was in the 90s, McCollum still has his fast ball. Biggest question IMO is can he recruit at p5. With our resources, I bet yes. Not saying we should jump straight to him but I don’t think this comparison is very apt.

[WRSMick55]

After reading these weeks of “ next coach” conversations, I think it’s fortunate that it’s not up to this board  to hire the next coach. One would never get hired. ( I have no favorite ) Luckily , Dolson is leading the decision process and not any of us participants. Hiring a coach is a subjective decision as Nostradamus is not hiring so it’s all a crapshoot of sorts.

[IUGRAD06]

33 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Allegedly!  Charges were dropped and I got news for you, we aren’t deciding who our next coach will be.  I believe that will be Dolson and staff!   

POS in aisle 5.  I am seriously not shocked how many people with zero standards live in this country anymore. 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

3 hours ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Thank you. Will know in a week if it's more of the same b-cell or not. Either way, I should get to see Stevens or Beard or whoever lead IU to Banner #6.

Praying

[J34]

1 hour ago, Dalton26 said:

McDermott gives me big fish in a small pond but would not survive in the big pond vibes. I have no reason why just my gut feeling

But a coach who admits he needs alcohol after a stressful day doesn't make you have concerns. Would this pond be too big for him to keep his stress reliever under control?