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[deserthoosier]

1 minute ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Behind a paywall.

IUFB quote...on the door being shut on BS: "Just my opinion. I’m not entirely convinced. We’ll see."

[Jeff Flabjohns]

[Jeff Flabjohns]

IU message boards are great because nobody actually has sources, we all just engage in various degrees of sh*tposting. 
 

That said, go get Dusty May. He’s always been the real grand prize. 

[Hoosierfan1901]

8 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Behind a paywall.

Yea I know, I was hoping for someone to mention what it was

[Hoosierfanyuh]

14 minutes ago, RaceToTheTop said:

Behind a paywall.

Quoted it on my response because i mentioned i didn’t see it which insinuated i had an account 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

14 minutes ago, HinnyHoosier said:

How reliable?

Enough i have notifications for their posts

[Hoosierfan2017]

1 hour ago, HinnyHoosier said:

Himself because he shouldn't have anyone in his way any longer. It seems like you have it out for Dolson (not sure why) but its fairly well known he was shooting hoops with handcuffs on last time around. There are only a handful of boneheads out there who really believed Woodson was a legitimate hire and one of them so happened to be sitting at the head of the table.

I just think he’s getting a major pass in this situation and don’t fully buy all the “he had no power” stuff. He’s also continuing to show questionable tactics with the way the Woodson “retirement” played out. Quinn Buckner may be on his way out, but there are plenty of other folks still meddling with IU basketball. What happens when the next person steps up to the plate and tries telling Dolson what to do? I don’t see him going from being completely powerless to wielding all the power. 

[Stuhoo]

Richard Pitino goes to 14-1 in conference after their win today. And the Mountain West is a pretty solid conference.

At 38 in KenPom (and that’s before the win over top 50 Utah State).

Richard Pitino runs a heck of a good program. And he’s only 42 years old.

[Rico]

1 minute ago, Stuhoo said:

Richard Pitino goes to 14-1 in conference after their win today. And the Mountain West is a pretty solid conference.

Little Ricky is on my radar.

[BtownStrength]

2 hours ago, tyappleg said:

If I were Brad Stevens, this NBA all star weekend would be enough to push me back to college.  What a **** show. 

The All Star weekend is such a joke. I don't know how anyone even has interest in it anymore. 

Brad to IU

[Magnanimous]

38 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Richard Pitino goes to 14-1 in conference after their win today. And the Mountain West is a pretty solid conference.

At 38 in KenPom (and that’s before the win over top 50 Utah State).

Richard Pitino runs a heck of a good program. And he’s only 42 years old.

We’ve seen him coach in the Big Ten already…eight seasons and finished higher than 7th place once.

[HoosierDYT]

It’s all probably meaningless but the one thing I don’t logically understand is forcing Woodson to retire when we still may have had a chance at making the tournament. I really don’t think you do that unless you have your guy lined up, and if your guy is locked up he probably isn’t coaching at the moment. I’m sure there are trivial reasons, such as not fans not booing, but still doesn’t make much sense to me. And then obviously our insiders shared what they were hearing which made us all feel optimistic, but for me it was their comments coupled with the logic of the overall timing that made the possibility of Stevens plausible, and it’s why I haven’t fully given up even if that makes me crazy.

 

Excited to see what this week brings, but firmly comfortable with Stevens and May, of course, as options 1 and 2.

 

Doubt Drew, Few, TJ, Wright, Oats, Lloyd, or Pearl are in play. Beard isn’t happening.

 

McDermott and McClasland are both extremely intriguing and would probably be my next calls.

 

I probably differ from other posters but I would likely put Collins in right here.

 

Cronin I guess would be solid but I would almost personally take a stab at McCollum and Byington last, leaning slightly toward Byington.

 

And of course, the one thing we can all agree on here is that Brownell would be a lazy and sad hire.

 

 

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[Rico]

10 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

Even if he was powerless, at IU I could see there always being that type of crap when it comes to basketball. Basketball is king here, while football looks like a good hire it's always been lousy so no one really cared much.

I cared.

[OKHOOSIER]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I just think he’s getting a major pass in this situation and don’t fully buy all the “he had no power” stuff. He’s also continuing to show questionable tactics with the way the Woodson “retirement” played out. Quinn Buckner may be on his way out, but there are plenty of other folks still meddling with IU basketball. What happens when the next person steps up to the plate and tries telling Dolson what to do? I don’t see him going from being completely powerless to wielding all the power. 

I tend to agree with you here. While there’s no doubt QB and others exert and have exerted considerable influence over the hiring at IU—

Ultimately, good or bad, Dolson is in charge and the results fall squarely on his shoulders. That’s why this hire is make or break for Scott’s job.

QB is never going to come out and say “Scott is not the reason we hired or gave Woody a fourth year, give him some grace on this hire.” because it isn’t QBs job to hire and fire. He isn’t Woodys boss. Dolson is. I like Scott— he’s a smart guy and he knows that the last four years, particularly if it also costs us Dusty, are going to be laid at his feet (not Quinn’s, not Ferguson, not anyone else) if this hire is a failure. That’s just the reality in corporate America. 

I have faith he’s gonna get it right, but acting like Mike Woodson’s boss is completely blameless for Mike Woodson is not something I’m willing to do. Also the “retirement” letter was an absolute farce and an embarrassment to the school, another thing Dolson was ultimately responsible for. He’s getting way too much of a pass here IMO. 

[Pagoda]

1 hour ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I tend to agree with you here. While there’s no doubt QB and others exert and have exerted considerable influence over the hiring at IU—

Ultimately, good or bad, Dolson is in charge and the results fall squarely on his shoulders. That’s why this hire is make or break for Scott’s job.

QB is never going to come out and say “Scott is not the reason we hired or gave Woody a fourth year, give him some grace on this hire.” because it isn’t QBs job to hire and fire. He isn’t Woodys boss. Dolson is. I like Scott— he’s a smart guy and he knows that the last four years, particularly if it also costs us Dusty, are going to be laid at his feet (not Quinn’s, not Ferguson, not anyone else) if this hire is a failure. That’s just the reality in corporate America. 

I have faith he’s gonna get it right, but acting like Mike Woodson’s boss is completely blameless for Mike Woodson is not something I’m willing to do. Also the “retirement” letter was an absolute farce and an embarrassment to the school, another thing Dolson was ultimately responsible for. He’s getting way too much of a pass here IMO. 

I don't think that's quite how this is playing out.

- First off, I don't get the frustration with Scott.  Last year he was the only person at IU that wanted to move on from Woody.  The BoT, the key donors, and Pam didn't want to move on.  Scott was the one guy at IU on our side, he would have fit in well in the Fire Mike Woodson thread. 

- If we miss on Dusty, it's going to be blamed on Quinn and Ferguson.  There is a whole IndyStar article, among other reports, detailing how those two protected Woody last year.  That will be referenced.  And everyone knows Quinn effectively hired Woody to begin with. 

- The BoT controls approvals for big hires like a new coach.  In reality, Scott can't just do whatever he wants because he is Woody's boss.  And it sucks, but Scott also has to factor in when our biggest donor likes Woody, we need those many millions of dollars for the athletic dept and to be a bball NIL powerhouse into the future.

- Maybe there is room for criticism on how Woody is being let go.  I don't know.  While the letter is annoying, Woody still has a lot of powerful friends at IU, and Scott still managed to shitcan him midseason.  Things behind the scenes are very political and Scott will need people onside for the next hire, so maybe consider Scott has to work that bigger picture angle.  Plus of course Woody is a total @$$ to deal with which makes this separation 100x harder.

- I doubt this next bball hire makes or breaks Scott's job.  His job rides on football, which is 3x+ bigger than bball and drives basically the entire athletic dept.  If football does well, Scott probably survives a bad bball hire.  The tens of millions of extra dollars Scott is bringing in from football is what IU really notices and cares about.  If football declines, a good bball hire may not save Scott.  But let's hope it doesn't come down to this...

- The next bball hire is all Scott as far as I'm concerned.  Scott is the guy to blame good or bad.  He seems to be leading this process thanks to the political capital and influence from building up football, plus it helps Quinn and the donors were proven to be 100% wrong on Woody and clearly incompetent.  

Scott isn't perfect, but I defend him on here because big picture he has done some very good things while having to work with a lot of difficult people at IU.  And when I look around IU and the athletic dept, when it comes to making hires, he is quite literally all we've got.  Hopefully he gets this bball hire right.

And of course, it is a free country, so if anyone wants to dislike Scott, that's up to you.  This is just how I look at it.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

9 hours ago, Magnanimous said:

I think McCollum is coaching in the Big Ten next season. 

Only way that happens is if Indiana hires him.

[Asha’man]

20 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Only way that happens is if Indiana hires him.

Iowa if they move in from Fran. 

[OKHOOSIER]

42 minutes ago, Pagoda said:

I don't think that's quite how this is playing out.

- First off, I don't get the frustration with Scott.  Last year he was the only person at IU that wanted to move on from Woody.  The BoT, the key donors, and Pam didn't want to move on.  Scott was the one guy at IU on our side, he would have fit in well in the Fire Mike Woodson thread. 

- If we miss on Dusty, it's going to be blamed on Quinn and Ferguson.  There is a whole IndyStar article, among other reports, detailing how those two protected Woody last year.  That will be referenced.  And everyone knows Quinn effectively hired Woody to begin with. 

- The BoT controls approvals for big hires like a new coach.  In reality, Scott can't just do whatever he wants because he is Woody's boss.  And it sucks, but Scott also has to factor in when our biggest donor likes Woody, we need those many millions of dollars for the athletic dept and to be a bball NIL powerhouse into the future.

- Maybe there is room for criticism on how Woody is being let go.  I don't know.  While the letter is annoying, Woody still has a lot of powerful friends at IU, and Scott still managed to shitcan him midseason.  Things behind the scenes are very political and Scott will need people onside for the next hire, so maybe consider Scott has to work that bigger picture angle.  Plus of course Woody is a total @$$ to deal with which makes this separation 100x harder.

- I doubt this next bball hire makes or breaks Scott's job.  His job rides on football, which is 3x+ bigger than bball and drives basically the entire athletic dept.  If football does well, Scott probably survives a bad bball hire.  The tens of millions of extra dollars Scott is bringing in from football is what IU really notices and cares about.  If football declines, a good bball hire may not save Scott.  But let's hope it doesn't come down to this...

- The next bball hire is all Scott as far as I'm concerned.  Scott is the guy to blame good or bad.  He seems to be leading this process thanks to the political capital and influence from building up football, plus it helps Quinn and the donors were proven to be 100% wrong on Woody and clearly incompetent.  

Scott isn't perfect, but I defend him on here because big picture he has done some very good things while having to work with a lot of difficult people at IU.  And when I look around IU and the athletic dept, when it comes to making hires, he is quite literally all we've got.  Hopefully he gets this bball hire right.

And of course, it is a free country, so if anyone wants to dislike Scott, that's up to you.  This is just how I look at it.

I don't disagree with you here, and stated as much in the OP. I am just not willing to hold Scott completely blameless in this, and I think it is shortsighted to do so. He obviously did not and does not have the autonomy that ADs and some schools do. To reiterate, I literally said I like Scott and have faith in him to right by the program, but that doesn't mean I believe his hands are completely clean of the Woody era. What I probably didn't state correctly is that he will be blamed if this hire goes south whether he deserves it or not. 

Educated fans on message boards know QB is mostly responsible. The average IU fan does not. Read through the thousands of Facebook comments if you do not believe me, Dolson bunks this, any goodwill from football will not matter. For now, basketball is still king at IU. I know we joke about being a football school now, but one successful football season does not change that, and social media interaction on each sport clearly shows that. 

I may have been too harsh on him in the original post ill admit (its early and I am stuck in an airport so I am starting the day salty lol), but the whole "retirement" letter stuff and media blitz that took place to garner sympathy for Woody really rubbed me the wrong way. 

[Asha’man]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

I don't disagree with you here, and stated as much in the OP. I am just not willing to hold Scott completely blameless in this, and I think it is shortsighted to do so. He obviously did not and does not have the autonomy that ADs and some schools do. To reiterate, I literally said I like Scott and have faith in him to right by the program, but that doesn't mean I believe his hands are completely clean of the Woody era. What I probably didn't state correctly is that he will be blamed if this hire goes south whether he deserves it or not. 

Educated fans on message boards know QB is mostly responsible. The average IU fan does not. Read through the thousands of Facebook comments if you do not believe me, Dolson bunks this, any goodwill from football will not matter. For now, basketball is still king at IU. I know we joke about being a football school now, but one successful football season does not change that, and social media interaction on each sport clearly shows that. 

I may have been too harsh on him in the original post ill admit (its early and I am stuck in an airport so I am starting the day salty lol), but the whole "retirement" letter stuff and media blitz that took place to garner sympathy for Woody really rubbed me the wrong way. 

Not sure how you don’t hold him completely blameless. Unless he is ready to retire or quit his job, he had no option once Stevens said no. Even had he quit, the next person would have been forced to hire Woodson. You’re putting blame on a middle man for a decision made by top brass. Would it be your fault if your boss forced a decision on you and refused to listen to your opinion on the matter?

[OKHOOSIER]

4 minutes ago, Asha’man said:

Not sure how you don’t hold him completely blameless. Unless he is ready to retire or quit his job, he had no option once Stevens said no. Even had he quit, the next person would have been forced to hire Woodson. You’re putting blame on a middle man for a decision made by top brass. Would it be your fault if your boss forced a decision on you and refused to listen to your opinion on the matter?

Athletic Director a "middle man" for the department he is the director? I will go further, Whitten, who is his actual boss should have provided interference for Dolson. That is the job of the chief executive. The board should not be dictating the actions of a director level employee. I think we all agree on that. Good leadership does not do that. They trust who they have hired. 

Again, for the third time, I am not saying our administration is not a mess with outsized power given to those who should not have it, but Pam and Scott are not helpless lackeys either. I tend to believe if he and Pam really wanted to fight it, Woody could have been canned last season. Merely my opinion, but because the grand slam "Brad hire" was not there, they did not want to risk their careers on Dusty. That now looks like a MASSIVE mistake, and my guess is Scott regrets not forcing the issue. 

I will pose a reason you should hope that I am right. If Dolson and Whitten were completely helpless, and had 0% power in any decision making for the Woody era, we should be terrified about the next hire.

Dolson being a puppet and AD in name only four years ago would not magically stop being true because of a football hire no one cared about at the time or Woodson ineptitude. If things like the HH meeting are really true (I hope it was hyperbole in part), we should be very concerned with how this goes if Brad is a no again. In my experience, puppet directors being micromanaged by folks above their supervisor do not suddenly get full control after having none. Hence, I have to believe he was against a Woody fourth year or Woody hire, and could have risked his neck but ultimately signed off on it for it to happen in the interest of self-preservation. 

Interesting debate for sure. Cheers.