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[NOLA Hoosier 1,267]

I’m losing confidence, and rapidly.

And guys, I didn’t even think about this: not only will IU not be in the tournament held in their own state...Zaga could be perfect. HOW could we possibly come back as a program after that without an immediate coaching change???

[HoosierFan1994 4,778]

10 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I still can't believe that Archie and staff failed in their four years here. Maybe not so much last year.. but man.

Lots of articles that people have pointed out here all discuss the same disappointments in the program currently. Most of it comes down to recruiting. How are we striking out on recruits? Is it because no one wants to come to Indiana outside of Indiana kids? We had one of the best recruiters on staff and our recruiting was still... ehh.

Even prior this years performance, it doesn't appear recruits are lining up outside the doors of Assembly Hall. Do we need better assistant coaches? Do we need dirtier assistant coaches? Was it Archie? Was it Indiana that kept us from getting good recruits outside the State? 

Archie didn't know Flint prior to coming to Indiana. His brother recommended we get Ed Shilling. Perhaps it's Archie's personality that doesn't strike it with recruits? 

I hope we get an Archie Miller book one day to find out what went wrong in his mind. 

I think I said this last week but I wish Terry Hutchens was still around. He would for sure write a book about this and it would be terrific. I have a few guesses as to why it failed. 

1) I think (key word think) Archie was afraid to coach Romeo. I think that ultimately pissed off the team and set the tone for the last few years. Say what we want about Calipari, but I think the reason Romeo didn't consider UK was because Cal wouldn't kiss his a$$.

2) He inherited a terrible roster and for whatever reason kept a lot of these guys here. Now was that Archie's choice, admins? Who knows. He just didn't inherit a big ten roster. 

3) That being said, he missed on recruits. Jake Forrester, Damezi Anderson...it's looking like Jerome and Rob were overrated . Archie had to hit on that 2018 class. Imagine if Jake, Damezi, Jerome, and Rob lived up to the expectations of the staff. This team would be pretty good with the addition of Trayce and Armaan. Outside of Romeo that class is almost as bad as the movement. 

4) I think he lost the fan base losing 12/13 in the 2018-2019 season. Each of the last three coaches have lost the fan base and it's hard to recover from that..right or wrong... Davis lost it by missing the tournament two years in a row, Sampson by the NCAA Violations (Although those seem minor now), and Crean losing to Syracuse in 2013. 

[Trish 11,888]

7 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think. 

I agree. The roster isn't too bad. It's not unrealistic to think Lander will take a major step this summer. We've seen things from Jordan and Trey that shows that can play for Indiana. Every freshman has their own ways to go but there's something there. Archie's best recruiting class hands down and I know that's not saying much but they have some skill.

 

 

[monskisprodigy 2,043]

15 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

What's crazy..I think under the right circumstance this isn't a bad roster. I just have zero faith in this coaching staff.

If Parker Stewart is as good as we think and Armaan improves a little, you have two potential All-Big Ten guards. When was the last time IU had that? Add Brunk coming back if he's healthy and the addition of Duncomb that's not a terrible frontcourt with Race (I expect TJD to leave). 

Add in improvement from our freshmen and yes Rob playing better this is probably a tournament team. I didn't expect much from the freshman class this year. Leal has been disappointing because I thought he would bring more shooting wise but Trey and Jordan are contributing about what I expected. I really can't judge Lander yet. He should be in high school still.

By no means is this an endorsement for Archie Miller. I just don't think the roster is as bad as we think. 

My biggest gripe with CAM is his roster management. Left two scholarships open, while bringing in 4 freshman...one of whom should still be a senior in high school and preparing for prom. Coming into this season this roster only had one point guard (outside of Lander), in Rob, who has underachieved in his career, struggled to shoot and has zero confidence for whatever reason. Further, the remainder of our roster, outside of TJD, is rounded out with players who aren't talented enough IMO to be starters or get significant minutes in this league on top half teams.

Oh, and did I mention we have 2 SCHOLARSHIPS OPEN! CAM failed to address the 2 primary issues in the off season (Understand he brought Parker in for his shooting, TBD), find a proven knockdown shooter, and a point guard who can show up more than 2 games a season. I understand that some of the freshman were supposed to be shooters and contribute because of a star ranking, but relying on a freshman to do anything is a risk he shouldn't have been willing to take in year 4.

[HoosierFan1994 4,778]

1 minute ago, Treesh said:

I agree. The roster isn't too bad. It's not unrealistic to think Lander will take a major step this summer. We've seen things from Jordan and Trey that shows that can play for Indiana. Every freshman has their own ways to go but there's something there. Archie's best recruiting class hands down and I know that's not saying much but they have some skill.

 

 

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

[Bowhunter 2,721]

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

Unfortunately he still could chose Michigan.


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[Trish 11,888]

8 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I 100% expect Lander to make a jump. I'm from Evansville so I've seen him play. He doesn't strike me as a 5 star recruit/one and done like the media thought. But he can be an All-Big PG. He totally should be in high school still. In fact his Reitz team would've had a legit shot at State. But that being said had he stayed at Reitz and waited to commit, I think he would've ended up choosing Michigan. 

Looking at his recruiting profile right now. This kid had MAJOR offers. Nice grab for Archie and staff. It stinks he hasn't had that great of a year but he's going to be good. He's shown flashes, he just needs to find the speed of the game and some confidence. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,160]

10 minutes ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

4) I think he lost the fan base losing 12/13 in the 2018-2019 season. Each of the last three coaches have lost the fan base and it's hard to recover from that..right or wrong... Davis lost it by missing the tournament two years in a row, Sampson by the NCAA Violations (Although those seem minor now), and Crean losing to Syracuse in 2013. 

That’s when he lost me. I wasn’t at “ok we need to fire this guy now” levels when that happened, but the honeymoon was over at that point. Going from 12-2 and ranked #21 in the country to 13-14 over a month and a half was the biggest wtf moment of my IU fandom.

[ap2345 8,730]

Dolson and Archie being on the same page could mean any number of things. For example on Friday after IU loses to Rutgers it could be announced that IU and Archie are mutually parting ways. That would mean that they were in fact on the same page but yet the program is going in a different direction. 

[Hoosierfan2017 22,160]

11 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Dolson and Archie being on the same page could mean any number of things. For example on Friday after IU loses to Rutgers it could be announced that IU and Archie are mutually parting ways. That would mean that they were in fact on the same page but yet the program is going in a different direction. 

Archie has definitely looked/acted like a guy who knows his time here is done the past few games.

[KzooHoosier82 972]

25 minutes ago, Bowhunter said:

Unfortunately he still could chose Michigan.


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I’d be completely shocked if that offer was still on the table. Indiana St has some open spots if he really does want to transfer 

[Magnanimous 4,631]

It’s going to be weird when Brad Stevens leaves the Celtics with a month left in the regular season to become our coach....

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,854]

54 minutes ago, Treesh said:

I agree. The roster isn't too bad. It's not unrealistic to think Lander will take a major step this summer. We've seen things from Jordan and Trey that shows that can play for Indiana. Every freshman has their own ways to go but there's something there. Archie's best recruiting class hands down and I know that's not saying much but they have some skill.

 

 

It's his best class, but one he doesn't need to be coaching anymore. Why? They'll never improve. Just like everyone else on the roster. 

[Chris007 46,967]

2 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

It’s going to be weird when Brad Stevens leaves the Celtics with a month left in the regular season to become our coach....

NBA playoffs are intense situations. It's good for Brad to leave early so it doesn't affect his health. 

[Trish 11,888]

2 minutes ago, Magnanimous said:

It’s going to be weird when Brad Stevens leaves the Celtics with a month left in the regular season to become our coach....

They are a second round exit team so it's really no big deal. Brad is just walking the sidelines watch Tatum and Brown chuck up 3's. He won't be missing too much!

[Hoosier Guy 7,562]

1 hour ago, HoosierFan1994 said:

I think I said this last week but I wish Terry Hutchens was still around. He would for sure write a book about this and it would be terrific. I have a few guesses as to why it failed. 

1) I think (key word think) Archie was afraid to coach Romeo. I think that ultimately pissed off the team and set the tone for the last few years. Say what we want about Calipari, but I think the reason Romeo didn't consider UK was because Cal wouldn't kiss his a$$.

2) He inherited a terrible roster and for whatever reason kept a lot of these guys here. Now was that Archie's choice, admins? Who knows. He just didn't inherit a big ten roster. 

3) That being said, he missed on recruits. Jake Forrester, Damezi Anderson...it's looking like Jerome and Rob were overrated . Archie had to hit on that 2018 class. Imagine if Jake, Damezi, Jerome, and Rob lived up to the expectations of the staff. This team would be pretty good with the addition of Trayce and Armaan. Outside of Romeo that class is almost as bad as the movement. 

4) I think he lost the fan base losing 12/13 in the 2018-2019 season. Each of the last three coaches have lost the fan base and it's hard to recover from that..right or wrong... Davis lost it by missing the tournament two years in a row, Sampson by the NCAA Violations (Although those seem minor now), and Crean losing to Syracuse in 2013. 

The Romeo thought isn’t far fetched. Archie allowed Justin that type of leeway last season. Can’t coddle certain players and command respect as a coach. Doesn’t work that way

[Class of '66 Old Fart 86,199]

3 hours ago, Chris007 said:

He mentioned inconsistent several times. I thought to myself men's basketball hasn't been inconsistent, it's been pretty consistent the whole year

More than once I've used the phrase consistently inconsistent or inconsistent consistently.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich 8,854]

9 minutes ago, Hoosier Guy said:

The Romeo thought isn’t far fetched. Archie allowed Justin that type of leeway last season. Can’t coddle certain players and command respect as a coach. Doesn’t work that way

People like to throw around Romeo's name a lot for a lot of blame. I don't know why we'd blame a kid who could have just gotten his surgery at the beginning of the season, sat out and been a top 5 pick. Instead he battled through the injury on a crappy team and in an offense that only hurt him more. There is only 1 very consistent thing that's been around all 4 years during all of this teams problems. 

[Golfman25 5,864]

Just now, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

People like to throw around Romeo's name a lot for a lot of blame. I don't know why we'd blame a kid who could have just gotten his surgery at the beginning of the season, sat out and been a top 5 pick. Instead he battled through the injury on a crappy team and in an offense that only hurt him more. There is only 1 very consistent thing that's been around all 4 years during all of this teams problems. 

Agree.  The offense sucks.  And then sucks some more.  Why would anyone want to play for a coach, any coach, with this sucky offense.  Hint, they don't.  So that leads to bad recruiting, which leads to losses, which lead to the toilet bowl.  And here we are.  

[Trish 11,888]

https://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach/

 

Dana Altman has a buy-out of $18million? He's off the list. 

Tony Bennett has a buy-out of $21 million. He's off the list. 

Rick Barnes and Chris Beard? $15 and $16 million dollars.

Nate Oats is $14 million

Steve Alford has a $9million dollar buy-out? Thank god. Too rich for our blood right now. LOL