Unexpectedflash Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 I’m sure Ed Cooley is a great coach but his resume at Providence is worse than Archie’s at Dayton was. I don’t know if there’s anything either advanced stat wise or just w/l record wise that would lead me to believe he’d have sustained high level success here. Feels like a big risk and half the fan base would be unhappy with him before he even coached a game. Josh and lillurk 2
Unexpectedflash Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 I just don’t know if these are the results we’re striving for if we go with a change. KYHoosier, rcbowla, Defenserocks28 and 3 others 6
Stuhoo Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 I heard the podcast on the brink with Galen Clavio, and he made a good point about Archie. Said that Archie is far more a basketball coach than the head of a program. At IU you need to be both. lillurk, MemphisHoosier, Uspshoosier and 3 others 6
Trish Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Cooley doesn’t move the needle. Well maybe the needle to where it’s at now, but basically we’re getting CTC with worse results in March. I wake up in a new world everyday, similar to a duck, to the thought of who we should hire next. Today I’m leaning Dane Fife. He’s got the recruiting, somewhat coaching experience, and he’s a Hoosier. The fact at hand is we’re going to be discussing this topic for another year more than likely. I guess we should all be doing our homework on teams this month in the tourney and any other young coaches.
Uspshoosier Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 4 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: I heard the podcast on the brink with Galen Clavio, and he made a good point about Archie. Said that Archie is far more a basketball coach than the head of a program. At IU you need to be both. Really good point. The only negative thing I saw any national people say about the Archie hire was that some felt his personality wouldn’t fit well at IU. All he is worried about is coaching and they didn’t know how he would do at the other part of the job. Most said Mack personality fit better for a job like IU’s Class of '66 Old Fart 1
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said: I heard the podcast on the brink with Galen Clavio, and he made a good point about Archie. Said that Archie is far more a basketball coach than the head of a program. At IU you need to be both. And he's not even a good coach so... We didn't get anything. Which really sucks. lillurk and Feathery 1 1
8bucks Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: And he's not even a good coach so... We didn't get anything. Which really sucks. He actually is a good coach. He is in the lower middle of the toughest conference around. You have to be good to do that. But we are not after good. We probably aren’t after really good either. We are after excellent and it is harder to hit excellent but i would have hoped to have found more really good coaches along the way. woodenshoemanHoosierfan 1
Magisterium Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 4 hours ago, 8bucks said: I think there is a big difference between the recruiting violations of Sampson and Drew. Sampson came into IU carrying the baggage of recently having been caught doing this and was under sanctions. He then proceeded to repeat the offense. He took IU into the mud right away repeating the same violations right after having been caught. His crime was multiplied because he also brought in a culture of kids more interested in selling drugs than going to class. Now let’s look at Drew. Like Sampson he got caught violating rules. Did he repeat the crime right after and get caught again? No. Has he had reoccurring violations? No. Just because they committed the same violations does not mean their situations were similar. Of course he didn't repeat them since he was STILL AT THE SAME SCHOOL. In that regard the situations aren't totally analogous. And, for the 3,768th time: I'm not "pro-Drew" or "anti-Drew" I'm simply trying to anticipate how the Admin and BOT would react to a potential Drew candidacy. Especially the ones who were around (if not actively involved in) the hiring and subsequent firing of Sampson. I seriously doubt if they'd have any appetite for conducting that experiment a 2nd time. Maybe there aren't enough of those people involved any more for Drew's past to be an issue; it would definitely be interesting to know Dolson's take, not only on Drew, but also on the entire Sampson debacle itself. Stuhoo 1
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 39 minutes ago, 8bucks said: He actually is a good coach. He is in the lower middle of the toughest conference around. You have to be good to do that. But we are not after good. We probably aren’t after really good either. We are after excellent and it is harder to hit excellent but i would have hoped to have found more really good coaches along the way. No that doesn't make you good. That makes makes you mediocre at best. Mediocre isn't good. lillurk 1
Magisterium Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said: No that doesn't make you good. That makes makes you mediocre at best. Mediocre isn't good. I dunno, I've been told I'm rather good....at being mediocre.
Trish Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 I’d take Archie over CTC with our Zeller DIPO team. We would make it past the sweet 16. That was all coaching. Chris007, thebigweave and Jeff_Boy_Ardee 3
Loaded Chicken Sandwich Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Treesh said: I’d take Archie over CTC with our Zeller DIPO team. We would make it past the sweet 16. That was all coaching. We wouldn't have even made the tourney.
8bucks Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, Magisterium said: Of course he didn't repeat them since he was STILL AT THE SAME SCHOOL. In that regard the situations aren't totally analogous. And, for the 3,768th time: I'm not "pro-Drew" or "anti-Drew" I'm simply trying to anticipate how the Admin and BOT would react to a potential Drew candidacy. Especially the ones who were around (if not actively involved in) the hiring and subsequent firing of Sampson. I seriously doubt if they'd have any appetite for conducting that experiment a 2nd time. Maybe there aren't enough of those people involved any more for Drew's past to be an issue; it would definitely be interesting to know Dolson's take, not only on Drew, but also on the entire Sampson debacle itself. Yeah I would love to know what Dolson feels about Drew regarding Hanner as well. Same for how he feels about Alford and PP. I guess we will find out based on who he shows interest in. MemphisHoosier 1
Magisterium Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, 8bucks said: Yeah I would love to know what Dolson feels about Drew regarding Hanner as well. Same for how he feels about Alford and PP. I guess we will find out based on who he shows interest in. Don't know Dolson at all, so I guess I could envision him trying to "re-create" some history by hiring someone like Fife, OR wanting to go in a completely different direction, depending on how much $$$ he'd have to pursue some "name" w/ a proven track record in the latter case, it potentially could also require waiting another year (not only for financial reasons, but perhaps due to "availability factors" related to certain specific candidates)
TheWatShot Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Archie Miller is a mid-major coach who isn't multi-faceted enough to succeed in a Power-5 conference. He'd do fine at a place like Ball State if they ever get rid of their current coach. Loaded Chicken Sandwich 1
8bucks Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 17 minutes ago, Magisterium said: Don't know Dolson at all, so I guess I could envision him trying to "re-create" some history by hiring someone like Fife, OR wanting to go in a completely different direction, depending on how much $$$ he'd have to pursue some "name" w/ a proven track record in the latter case, it potentially could also require waiting another year (not only for financial reasons, but perhaps due to "availability factors" related to certain specific candidates) I am not an insider by any means but have met Dolson 2-3 times over the last few years. This was before he was the AD but he seemed quiet, willing to work out of the limelight to make sure the events we were at flowed well. Compared to some ADs who like to have the camera on them. Maybe that came from being a manager but I always go the impression he was an analytical, thoughtful guy who got things done. Does this mean he will analyze this well and make the right decision, who knows. I do feel better about him making the decision than Glass Parakeet Jones, lillurk and HoosierTrav 3
AKHoosier Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 I'd be fine with Ed Cooley, but like 12 other guys would have to say "No thanks" first for me to get on board. I'd also rather keep Archie than fire him and get Ed Cooley. Brad Stevens Billy Donovan Chris Beard Thad Matta Tony Bennett After that, I don't care. thebigweave, Trish, Feathery and 1 other 4
Class of '66 Old Fart Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 2 hours ago, Uspshoosier said: Really good point. The only negative thing I saw any national people say about the Archie hire was that some felt his personality wouldn’t fit well at IU. All he is worried about is coaching and they didn’t know how he would do at the other part of the job. Most said Mack personality fit better for a job like IU’s I had totally forgotten about the issue that he might not have the schmooze factor it took at IU.
Feathery Posted February 28, 2021 Posted February 28, 2021 Ed Cooley would be a backup option to me. I’d rather go get Drew than Ed. He said he would look at fit. I highly doubt he see’s Bloomington Indiana as “a fit”. But he might recognize the fertile recruiting grounds and think he could do well.
Alford Bailey Posted March 1, 2021 Posted March 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Stuhoo said: I heard the podcast on the brink with Galen Clavio, and he made a good point about Archie. Said that Archie is far more a basketball coach than the head of a program. At IU you need to be both. Agree but he is on the hot seat right now due to coaching. Hardwood83, MikeRoberts and lillurk 3
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