NCAA MBB Transfer Portal

[MikeRoberts 7,995]

1 hour ago, 94Bulldog said:

Not being argumentative, but I don’t think so….I mean he closed JHS and Malik.  Tipton I’m guessing isn’t hired by the schools. They have their own marketing dept for those things.   Your suggestions sound like a hard close.  Being in sales for 25 years, I’ve been far more successful with the opposite approach.  

Also as someone that runs a sales team, I have sales people that are always excited to celebrate the conversation, the expressed interest and then I have some that celebrate the close.

more just throwing that out about our staff as a conversation, I have no idea if they are the former or the later but as you likely agree, that later group is smaller yet accounts for the lions share of the success.

 

[Brass Cannon 25,445]

34 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I highly suggest everyone listen to Eric’s Twitter spaces from last night. A great window into the thought process of the staff on recruiting.

Also mentioned we don’t really lead for the ‘24s. The way things went with Bates has caused some pause in the staffs recruitment of freshman in his opinion vs the pro/con of getting transfer guys. It’s interesting. No one really knows the best strategy right now but our staff appears to be leaning transfer portal.


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I’m all for it. Without having to sit a year the portal will be more reliable by far. 

[Dave from Dayton 4,020]

2 hours ago, 94Bulldog said:

Not being argumentative, but I don’t think so….I mean he closed JHS and Malik.  Tipton I’m guessing isn’t hired by the schools. They have their own marketing dept for those things.   Your suggestions sound like a hard close.  Being in sales for 25 years, I’ve been far more successful with the opposite approach.  

I agree with 94B.  Marketing an intangible is different from marketing a product that is in a box.  A soft and genuine pitch and follow through is paramount.  One has to show that the buyer's best interest is paramount. What do they want?  Can we and will we make that available and help them.  Present that.  Listen with the intent to understand. This does not mean that the sales effort is disorganized.  On the contrary, it has to be well orchestrated and specific.

 A hard close, to me, implies that the seller's needs outweigh the buyer's needs.  The buyer is usually aware of that perspective.  It's a bum rush.

But different young adults will have different motivations that require different approaches. if the buyer is confused...clarify the points both good and bad.   Ascertain who is going to make the decision or lead the decision making of the buyer.  Target market that.  

One point is true, whether tangible (like a car) or delayed intangible (like a service or scholarship)...if you don't ask, you don't get.

If the young adult has it in his mind to walk away and think about it, it is a delayed, delayed intangible.  That is a toughie.  A continuing helpful relationship and personal contact usually is the ticket.  But old habits and old ways are hard to break.  Comfort areas are hard to pierce. Especially if the prospect walks away.

But if the person wants to just get it done.  Sign him up.

Indiana is a hard sell if one comes from either coast. The expansion of the B1G to the coasts just may help that a little.  Woody and Ya and Schifino and Anunoby and TJD sure help there.  Fans that think that Indiana stands head and shoulders above the crowd of universities chasing these prospects are deluded. That is part of the reason why having a great basketball coach and staff are so very important.   And that is coming from an IU grad that married an IU grad.  

[Honkyman 1,670]

15 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

Fans that think that Indiana stands head and shoulders above the crowd of universities chasing these prospects are deluded

Absolutely. As an IU grad living on the East Coast, I hear basketball fans laugh at the suggestion that Indiana University is "blue blood." For them, Indiana basketball has been irrelevant since the 1980s.

[Henryville Hoosier 1,445]

I was watching some Ledlum highlights and he reminds me of Ron Harper Jr.

[Class of '66 Old Fart 90,714]

 

[RaceToTheTop 31,102]

9 minutes ago, Henryville Hoosier said:

I was watching some Ledlum highlights and he reminds me of Ron Harper Jr.

Hasn’t been much talk about him since his visit but he would be a really good get.  Hard nosed, motor running kid.

[cthomas 6,618]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

I highly suggest everyone listen to Eric’s Twitter spaces from last night. A great window into the thought process of the staff on recruiting.

Also mentioned we don’t really lead for the ‘24s. The way things went with Bates has caused some pause in the staffs recruitment of freshman in his opinion vs the pro/con of getting transfer guys. It’s interesting. No one really knows the best strategy right now but our staff appears to be leaning transfer portal.


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The time investment in high school recruits is absurd compared to recruiting the portal. Given his coaching background, I could see CMW liking the portal option much better. It has that NBA free agency feel all over it. The upside is experience, maturity, performance record, and greatly reduced time expenditure. From a coaches viewpoint, what's not to like.

[RaceToTheTop 31,102]

3 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

 

He’s going to be good.  Didn’t really fit Penn State’s system that well.  Am interested to see if he goes to Notre Dame if Shrewsbury’s system last year was run to match his personnel.

[kreigh8 2,111]

Is Essegian to IU still a thing? Athletically is he the type of player IU is looking for? His shooting numbers are pretty decent which combined that with 3 years of eligibility and being from Indiana, I can see the appeal

[Home Jersey 16,042]

1 minute ago, cthomas said:

The time investment in high school recruits is absurd compared to recruiting the portal. Given his coaching background, I could see CMW liking the portal option much better. It has that NBA free agency feel all over it. The upside is experience, maturity, performance record, and greatly reduced time expenditure. From a coaches viewpoint, what's not to like.

I guess as long as we bring in ~2 HS kids a year who will stick around a while so we have some form of a core from year to year, I don't hate it... Gotta adapt to survive in the modern era of college basketball. Going to be pretty tough to build a program/culture with any real continuity taking a portal first approach though, I'd think. Hope we can make it work each season 

[Alford Bailey 13,228]

6 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The time investment in high school recruits is absurd compared to recruiting the portal. Given his coaching background, I could see CMW liking the portal option much better. It has that NBA free agency feel all over it. The upside is experience, maturity, performance record, and greatly reduced time expenditure. From a coaches viewpoint, what's not to like.

Downside is you may only get a guy for 1 year but yea it’s gonna be the way things go unless rules change.

[Hoosierfan1901 8,308]

8 minutes ago, kreigh8 said:

Is Essegian to IU still a thing? Athletically is he the type of player IU is looking for? His shooting numbers are pretty decent which combined that with 3 years of eligibility and being from Indiana, I can see the appeal

Never a thing in the first place 

[cthomas 6,618]

9 minutes ago, TeeterInNJ said:

I guess as long as we bring in ~2 HS kids a year who will stick around a while so we have some form of a core from year to year, I don't hate it... Gotta adapt to survive in the modern era of college basketball. Going to be pretty tough to build a program/culture with any real continuity taking a portal first approach though, I'd think. Hope we can make it work each season 

For the record, I don't love the portal. But as things stand, we have embrace it or get buried by it.

[kreigh8 2,111]

8 minutes ago, Hoosierfan1901 said:

Never a thing in the first place 

Thanks, saw it in another thread and was generally curious

[Golfman25 6,789]

26 minutes ago, TeeterInNJ said:

I guess as long as we bring in ~2 HS kids a year who will stick around a while so we have some form of a core from year to year, I don't hate it... Gotta adapt to survive in the modern era of college basketball. Going to be pretty tough to build a program/culture with any real continuity taking a portal first approach though, I'd think. Hope we can make it work each season 

The portal won’t get you studs like TJD.  Those guys go pro when they want to leave, whether after 1-4 years.  

[Stuhoo 89,506]

The portal gets you mentally strong 22 year olds, who will regularly kick the crap out of 18/19 year olds.

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To my line of thinking, if there was anything to Ward, Ledlum AND DeLoach all coming to IU that might mean Reneau would be transferring.  Zero knowledge of anything like that and I don’t see all three coming but the truth is I like all four of those players including Reneau.  Anyway, it will all get sorted out.

[RaceToTheTop 31,102]

Just now, Stuhoo said:

The portal gets you mentally strong 22 year olds, who will regularly kick the crap out of 18/19 year olds.

On the reverse side, it does get low to mid majors some talented players that would not likely have left a major to go there.  And last season’s tournament showed that it actually created more parity not less.  The losers still seem to be the incoming freshman though.

[WayneFleekHoosier 51,413]

35 minutes ago, cthomas said:

The time investment in high school recruits is absurd compared to recruiting the portal. Given his coaching background, I could see CMW liking the portal option much better. It has that NBA free agency feel all over it. The upside is experience, maturity, performance record, and greatly reduced time expenditure. From a coaches viewpoint, what's not to like.

I agree 100%.  Those that adapt to the changes in the best way reap the rewards.  Kentucky was early and the best in the one n done era of recycling top talent. They had pretty good results with it. The landscape has changed. More options out there to roster build.  
 

I also hope it somewhat tamed the dramatics of the high school kid having ALL the power and brings recruitments back to life a little.  
 

id say you always have roster spots 11-13 to play with.  But you want 1-10 to be dudes.  At least 1-8.  Anyway.  Scouting becomes even more important.