IUBB vs Texas - 12/1/20 @ 1:30 on ESPN

[JSHoosier]

20 minutes ago, Brass Cannon said:

Clearly still Creans fault 

I did the math and Miller's Dayton teams were decent but nothing special when it came to shooting.  About 36% from 3 and around 70% from the stripe, better than I recalled but nothing to write home about especially from the line; his first season was one of his better shooting teams.

[MikeRoberts]

4 minutes ago, Josh said:

Not a shock.  Somebody posted last year that a high percentage of IU games with Archie Miller have been blowout losses.  Does anybody have that stat?

It's ridiculous.  I can't believe people can accept this again and again and again.  He's the worst coach IU has ever had.

That was me. I did a look at 3 years under Archie the point spread of our losses and it was staggering. I don’t have those stats handy but it was something like our losses were by an avg of 10 points and 1/3 of all of our games played were losses by 10 or more points and a staggering number by 20+ points

[Brass Cannon]

1 minute ago, MikeRoberts said:

That was me. I did a look at 3 years under Archie the point spread of our losses and it was staggering. I don’t have those stats handy but it was something like our losses were by an avg of 10 points and 1/3 of all of our games played were losses by 10 or more points and a staggering number by 20+ points

When we compete we are very competitive. But a staggering number of our games we basically don’t show up for

[JSHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Josh said:

Not a shock.  Somebody posted last year that a high percentage of IU games with Archie Miller have been blowout losses.  Does anybody have that stat?

It's ridiculous.  I can't believe people can accept this again and again and again.  He's the worst coach IU has ever had.

I'm not the biggest Miller fan, but I wouldn't go that far.  I can think of a couple coaches I wouldn't trade him for; not really a compliment to him but more of how little I think of the others.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

6 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

That was me. I did a look at 3 years under Archie the point spread of our losses and it was staggering. I don’t have those stats handy but it was something like our losses were by an avg of 10 points and 1/3 of all of our games played were losses by 10 or more points and a staggering number by 20+ points

Try 1/5. We have lost like 20 games by 10+ in 101 games. 

[Aaron]

Good news: Stanford just had a bruising hard fought loss to UNC so hopefully they will be tired tomorrow and are the weaker talent of the two. IU should have plenty of energy after today's no show so hopefully the game between the Hoosiers and Cardinal sees better things. 

[Whoozhers]

When fans are allowed again in SSAH I don’t see it looking any different than it did for the Tennessee Tech game after today’s effort.
Really, really sad.


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[MikeRoberts]

27 minutes ago, Loaded Chicken Sandwich said:

Try 1/5. We have lost like 20 games by 10+ in 101 games. 

22 games under Archie have been 10+ point blowout losses and many of those were never a game from jump and a bunch of those were 20+ losses.

not sure if you were defending or trying to correct me but 22, that’s a ton no matter how you slice it

[ebridges24]

1 hour ago, mdn82 said:

Yep it was absolute embarrassment on ESPN.  No two ways around it.  They better show up tomorrow.  After the way they played yesterday if there are any other excuses, it better end with our effort was awful after we couldn’t get anything going early on.  Defensively they were really good for most of the first half and then just gave up.  That’s on the coaching staff.  That’s on the players.  Show up tomorrow like you didn’t hang out at the socially distant strip club until 3 am pretty please. 

Maybe they need to hang out at the socially distant strip club until 3 am....

[ebridges24]

4 minutes ago, MikeRoberts said:

22 games under Archie have been 10+ point blowout losses and many of those were never a game from jump and a bunch of those were 20+ losses.

not sure if you were defending or trying to correct me but 22, that’s a ton no matter how you slice it

But, but, those were with Crean's players Mike. yuck, yuck

[NashvilleHoosier]

This was probably the most discouraging loss of Archie's tenure for me. I was willing to overlook some things in the first 3 years b/c I still felt there was overall progress from year to year. I'm still not willing to bail after one game alone, but it was extremely concerning to see an overall effort like this already. Trayce looks terrible, slow, and weak, and we haven't shown a single ounce of improved shooting, even in a really solid win yesterday. 

Hopefully there was some serious soul searching in the locker room b/c we have only one choice at this point which is to come out with a spirited response, and win, tomorrow. Going 2-1 in this tourney will be fine. Another clunker tomorrow and things could spiral. 

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Most often talent trumps less talent. It generally does. But not always, see Kentucky.

Davidson played Texas much better than us with lesser talent than we have. They looked like a team with a purpose and game plan.

I have no idea what Indiana was doing today. No purpose, no game plan, no confidence. Really pathetic effort across the board.

I always fall back to recruiting because talent usually wins. Archie isn’t a basketball strategist savant. His strength is getting guys to play hard and tough, which most Crean players are allergic to. But these are Archies guys now and they aren’t playing to his strengths.

Another flawed roster. We go 3 guard sets with guys that can’t shoot and now we can’t rebound either. Go big with guys who can’t shoot and the lane is clogged. We were never going to out athlete Texas. There goes your 20 point blowout.

If I wasn’t already in the dumps about Archies recruiting, the product on the court put me there to stay.


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[kreigh8]

9 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Most often talent trumps less talent. It generally does. But not always, see Kentucky.

Davidson played Texas much better than us with lesser talent than we have. They looked like a team with a purpose and game plan.

I have no idea what Indiana was doing today. No purpose, no game plan, no confidence. Really pathetic effort across the board.

I always fall back to recruiting because talent usually wins. Archie isn’t a basketball strategist savant. His strength is getting guys to play hard and tough, which most Crean players are allergic to. But these are Archies guys now and they aren’t playing to his strengths.

Another flawed roster. We go 3 guard sets with guys that can’t shoot and now we can’t rebound either. Go big with guys who can’t shoot and the lane is clogged. We were never going to out athlete Texas. There goes your 20 point blowout.

If I wasn’t already in the dumps about Archies recruiting, the product on the court put me there to stay.


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With the three guards - why not try and force the tempo. Saw a little against Providence and Tenn Tech but nothing today. Not sure how much of that was Texas and how much was us just getting in our own way. This has been bad shooting still and I fear things only get worse when Brunk returns as the lane will be even more clogged. TJD and Brunk on the floor together gives me nightmares from last season and sadly TJD doesn’t look improved enough for that rotation to work in my eyes this season. I’m still hopeful for improvement as we play 3 freshman regularly but this looks more of the same from the past few years. Not seeing much change in the offensive game plan, but it’s early

[NRT137]

So what we lost by 22. Texas is probably better than what they’re currently ranked. And we had Brunk out.
However, we need to play Galloway more and Lander less. Lander doesn’t play defense and can’t make any shots. He’s too inconsistent to be a 5 star recruit.
At least we play again tomorrow. Even if we frequently lose it’s still fun to tune in.

[Trish]

 

11-46 from the field. 20-29 from the line. 2-10 from 3. 

 

You can't tell me we're not getting clean looks. We have an offense, we're moving without the basketball more. But the amount of bunnies we missed today was BAD. Our players have to play better and make the  shots, that's the bottom line. 

Texas is good. We played a cupcake, a below average Providence team, and FINALLY a good team. 3rd game of the year folks. 3RD GAME. Third Game. Let's relax. We're a team made up of underclassmen and one really good forward (Who happens to be an underclassmen). 

 

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

1 hour ago, MikeRoberts said:

22 games under Archie have been 10+ point blowout losses and many of those were never a game from jump and a bunch of those were 20+ losses.

not sure if you were defending or trying to correct me but 22, that’s a ton no matter how you slice it

It's been pathetic. That was kinda expected in Creans first 3 years. Sort of. That shouldn't be happening so commonly under Archie. Yet the tone seemed to be set in his very first game.

[Loaded Chicken Sandwich]

7 minutes ago, Treesh said:

 

11-46 from the field. 20-29 from the line. 2-10 from 3. 

 

You can't tell me we're not getting clean looks. We have an offense, we're moving without the basketball more. But the amount of bunnies we missed today was BAD. Our players have to play better and make the  shots, that's the bottom line. 

Texas is good. We played a cupcake, a below average Providence team, and FINALLY a good team. 3rd game of the year folks. 3RD GAME. Third Game. Let's relax. We're a team made up of underclassmen and one really good forward (Who happens to be an underclassmen). 

 

We don't have an offense. It's still god awful. Too many pick and rolls with guard who aren't aggressive or intelligent enough to run a pick and roll.

[Southside]

9 hours ago, NashvilleHoosier said:

Totally. I hope this sparks an annual holiday tournament there. If fans were allowed and times were normal, I'd absolutely be in Asheville for a tournament IU was playing in during the fall. It's a really cool place. 

Yup. Just a pretty place. I'm surprised they haven't done something like this before. 

[Southside]

Welp, the game was ugly.

At least FT shooting wasn't that bad...

[RaceToTheTop]

34 minutes ago, NRT137 said:

So what we lost by 22. Texas is probably better than what they’re currently ranked. And we had Brunk out.
However, we need to play Galloway more and Lander less. Lander doesn’t play defense and can’t make any shots. He’s too inconsistent to be a 5 star recruit.
At least we play again tomorrow. Even if we frequently lose it’s still fun to tune in.

Well, Galloway has played 21 minutes per game over the three games and Lander has played 13.  I'm not sure how much more you are going to see Galloway play than that.

IMO, Lander's going to have to play minutes.  Only way he improves and it's not like we have any natural point guard after Rob.