2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 
 
 

How long do you think I think his leash is?


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[JSHoosier 20,158]

50 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

After the 12 game stretch, there was quite a bit of positive momentum. No, they did not make the tournament, and came out really flat against wichita st but they also beat some really good teams in the next set of games after that stretch. There is no substitute for a strong work ethic. I feel as though quite a few players did not have that, and with the injuries that they had, I'm suprised that they were able to beat the teams that they did. This was one of the poorest shooting teams that I can remember at IU, hands down. Virginia just showed what the ceiling is for a team that can defend and shoot. This next year's team needs improvement in shooting in the worst way, and I believe that they will get that. Archie is the guy, we need patience.....

I agree the team needs shooting but I'm hesitant to say different players is the fix.  It's not at all unusual for Miller's teams to struggle with shooting and are always terrible at the line; that's a trend that tells me it's not all on the players.

[Uspshoosier 45,601]

How long do you think I think his leash is?


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I know a guy that knows a guy it’s longer than you think


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[RaceToTheTop 25,613]

2 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

I know somebody who has spoken to one of them.  Obviously we are not going to agree on this subject but I am just telling you his leash is not as long as you might think it is. Missing the tourney for a third straight year is not going to make for a good environment period. 

 

 

So you know a guy who knows a guy who to spoke to one person?  How many Dixie cups were there in the phone chain?

Purple monkey dishwasher.

[HoosierAloha 30,068]

I know a guy that knows a guy it’s longer than you think


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Now I’m thoroughly confused. Is the leash longer or shorter than I think it is?!


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[wirenuts 1,056]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

I agree the team needs shooting but I'm hesitant to say different players is the fix.  It's not at all unusual for Miller's teams to struggle with shooting and are always terrible at the line; that's a trend that tells me it's not all on the players.

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

[JSHoosier 20,158]

10 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

Am I supposed to believe that in his career he hasn't had players that put up shots on their own?  The fact it's a trend tells me something coaching wise needs to change.

Crean's teams have a trend of too many turnovers and lousy defense.  

[Hardwood83 4,770]

 

24 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Lots of examples in the tourney of teams that are tough on d and can still shoot. They don't tend to be run & gun, but make shots. 

And while you didn't ask me, I think the answer to "did Crean make Oladipo the player he became?" is yes. Obviously not 100%, but you can't blame coaches for not developing players and then deny them credit for players that do. Archie can't make the players want it for themselves, but he can push. Mostly he can get the right kind of players (hungry, motivated) in the first place, which is what I think most of us agree on. 

[Chris007 43,895]

26 minutes ago, wirenuts said:

Do you think crean made oladipo the player that he is today or do you think Victor was completely addicted to the gym and his craft? Crean had some to do with it im sure but the best way to be a shooter is to put up shots. I realize archies trends of bad shooting teams...but maybe he is emphasizing defense constantly, not a bad thing in my opinion

I know the answer to this. VO lived at Cook hall between his freshman and sophomore year. He got up at least 1000 shots a day, every day of the summer. Had nothing to do with Crean. I had VO talk to my son about getting shots up in the summer. Crean may have helped in other areas but not in shooting, that was all VO putting in work every day of the summer. 

[wirenuts 1,056]

31 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

 

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Lots of examples in the tourney of teams that are tough on d and can still shoot. They don't tend to be run & gun, but make shots. 

And while you didn't ask me, I think the answer to "did Crean make Oladipo the player he became?" is yes. Obviously not 100%, but you can't blame coaches for not developing players and then deny them credit for players that do. Archie can't make the players want it for themselves, but he can push. Mostly he can get the right kind of players (hungry, motivated) in the first place, which is what I think most of us agree on. 

Yes Archie can push. I'm not in his gym during his practices so I cant say one way or another. I have to assume that he does. 

[wirenuts 1,056]

33 minutes ago, Hardwood83 said:

 

They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Lots of examples in the tourney of teams that are tough on d and can still shoot. They don't tend to be run & gun, but make shots. 

And while you didn't ask me, I think the answer to "did Crean make Oladipo the player he became?" is yes. Obviously not 100%, but you can't blame coaches for not developing players and then deny them credit for players that do. Archie can't make the players want it for themselves, but he can push. Mostly he can get the right kind of players (hungry, motivated) in the first place, which is what I think most of us agree on. 

Also I didnt really say that anything had to be mutually exclusive...even though it sounded that way. Maybe archie does need to teach more offense, and less defense. I cant really argue that at this point. I just saw how good this team could actually be if shooters can consistently hit open shots. It gives me hope for this coach and system 

[RaceToTheTop 25,613]

For the record, I am in on Jalen Windham.

Sophomore season....scored a game high 15 points in Ben Davis's state championship title game against on 4 of 8 shooting (including 3 threes) and 4 of 4 from in a game that featured Keion Brooks' Fort Wayne Northside Team (Brooks scored just 8 points on 3 of 10 shooting) and Ben Davis' future Michigan State Spartan junior Aaron Henry, who scored 12 points on 11 shots and 2 free throws.  Windham also hit the three pointer that put Ben Davis up 49-46 in their 55-52 win.

And this year as a senior he helped lead Ben Davis to an improbable state final run where they lost 60-55 to Carmel where Windham once again was the leading scorer (22 points) in a state title game.  Seriously, how many times in the history of Indiana basketball has a player been the leading scorer in the state finals twice (not talking A or AA basketball, but either in one class basketball of two 4A finals)?

He obviously has some intangibles that aren't showing up in the rankings.  For one....the guy is a knock down free throw shooter.  I'm not able to find all of his statistics, but from the numbers I have found (from maxpreps.com as well as his AAU stats from last summer):

sophomore year (only 8 games listed):  7 of 8 from the line

junior year at Ben Davis (in the 15 games listed)  33 of 38 from the line.

senior year at Ben Davis (from the five games listed there -- the first five of the year -- plus the state title game where he was 13 of 14):   34 of 38

AAU ball (21 games):  32 of 36.

So that's a 42 game sample where he shot 106 of 120 from the line (88%). 

Three point shooting:

sophomore year (8 games listed):  9 of 27

junior year (15 games):  41 of 90

senior year (just five games -- don't have the state title game shooting listed):  11 of 26 

AAU ball (21 games)  46 of 103

Total:  107 of 246 (43%)

Two things stand out to me:  1.  People saying that he isn't that good of a shooter because he only shot 36% from three need to look at what the bigger shows -- that the data as a group says he a 40+% shooter from deep and 2.  One thing we know about guys that shoot an incredibly high free throw percentage:  both the mechanics and work effort are there.

[MemphisHoosier 2,136]

7 hours ago, Demo said:

I’ve really become fond of Windham and would be happy to add him. But I don’t think he’s physically ready to help now. To me, he’s a perfect redshirt candidate who could step into the rotation in ‘20 and be good for 4 yrs. That makes me less excited about the idea of taking both Leal and Galloway. A Windham with a year in the program is probably more ready to play than either of those kids.

But, big but, I don’t think a ‘19 backcourt of only Rob, Green, Al and Franklin gets it done. I really want another guard who can take Rob’s back up minutes and who’s ready to play this year. Windham’s not that. Green and Al have proven they aren’t facilitators.  So if there is only 1 scholarship and I have to choose between Windham and a guard who can play this year, I want the kid who can play. But if there ends up being another ride available,  or there isn’t a better short term option, would take Windham, no problem. 

This is where I am as well.  Fortunately I can see a world where we take Brunk, Windham and a traditional 1 yr Grad Transfer that can handle the ball next season.  The three would (1) shore up the front & back country while providing Windham an opportunity to RS as well as (2) provide class balance for 2020 forward.

[RaceToTheTop 25,613]

In terms of not trusting DeVonte to be a facilitator....yes, he turns the ball over too much....but factually he averaged more assists per game than RP and played fewer minutes per game.  If Rob isn't on the court (and sometimes when he is), DeVonte will be the primary ball handler.  If we are going to bring in another guard, it needs to be a shooter first and ball handler second.

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The only question I have left about Windham is, is he “timid”?


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[HoosierFan1994 4,744]

7 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I know the answer to this. VO lived at Cook hall between his freshman and sophomore year. He got up at least 1000 shots a day, every day of the summer. Had nothing to do with Crean. I had VO talk to my son about getting shots up in the summer. Crean may have helped in other areas but not in shooting, that was all VO putting in work every day of the summer. 

We need the whole team to live at Cook Hall this summer!

[Honkyman 1,670]

I don't see Windham playing meaningful minutes in 2019-2020. As pointed out, he is not physically ready and frankly he is not quick enough for the level of competition IU plays. If Windham isn't going to play next year, then why not save the scholarship for better guard prospects in the 2020 class? The enthusiasm for Windham is what often happens after a disappointing season when fans and sometimes coaches start grasping for solutions.

[BGleas 7,880]

I’m not usually a big grad transfer guy, but I think my preference would be Brunk, a grad transfer wing or guard shooter, and Windham. I don’t think IU needs two more freshmen right now. By getting a veteran guard/wing you then can even redshirt Windham. 

[Brass Cannon 24,704]

Just now, Iugradman said:

The top grad transfers want to go to a program where they think they can win. IU is not considered a program that can win right now. Don’t expect to land a high quality grad transfer.

Historically this post would indicate we are about to get several high quality grad transfers 

[Stromboli 6,076]

3 minutes ago, Iugradman said:

The top grad transfers want to go to a program where they think they can win. IU is not considered a program that can win right now. Don’t expect to land a high quality grad transfer.