2019 Off-Season IU Roster News and Moves

[ElectricBoogaloo]

This is also turning into a talent evaluation issue for the staff. Damezi and Jake are two guys in Miller’s first class who couldn’t find any way to contribute. How are we identifying Big Ten players?

Edit: talent evaluation AND development both

[RaceToTheTop]

You can't complain about there being a locker room and cultural problem and simultaneously be upset at a player transfeering whose dad is calling out his son's teammates by name on twitter 

[Hillsdale87]

This is also turning into a talent evaluation issue for the staff. Damezi and Jake are two guys in Miller’s first class who couldn’t find any way to contribute. How are we identifying Big Ten players?
Edit: talent evaluation AND development both

Don't give up on Damezi yet. As I remember, most people who had seen Jake in high school said he was a project who probably wouldn't play much as a freshman or sophomore. That doesn't mean he would have been worthless. We get 13 scholarships, so not all are going to contribute every year. His expectations may be different though, so he's free to leave and try to prove Archie wrong


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[Hillsdale87]

Yep, he either fouled or got beat every time someone went at him.


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The game was too fast for him too. He missed a bunch of rebounds by just not reacting quickly enough or being strong enough. He tried hard, but that's about all he could do.

I know Fitzner was frustrating, but he at least knew what he was doing on the court, even if he got pushed around on defense. He had 3 years of college experience, so he was just more prepared. Jake was behind from a physical and mental standpoint this year.


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[Kepner]

23 minutes ago, brumdog45 said:

You can't complain about there being a locker room and cultural problem and simultaneously be upset at a player transfeering whose dad is calling out his son's teammates by name on twitter 

This!! Seems that there are players that a lot on here want gone but now that a few of them have announced that they are in fact transferring it’s turned into bash Miller and the staff. A lot of people seem to be looking for reasons to complain

[Uspshoosier]

https://ncaaorg.s3.amazonaws.com/research/rep/NCAARES_REP-TrackingTransfersDIMBB.pdf


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[maharkn]

Good luck to Jake. He would be sitting 4th string here next year, maybe 5th, assuming Brunk comes. 
Brunk, Davis, TJD, and Race are all ahead of him on the depth chart. 

If Brunk does decide to come I could see him in the starting lineup. Would be a good weak side rebounder opposite of TJD. I think would be more dependable able to play started minutes over Davis.

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[MoyeNeeded]

21 minutes ago, Kepner said:

This!! Seems that there are players that a lot on here want gone but now that a few of them have announced that they are in fact transferring it’s turned into bash Miller and the staff. A lot of people seem to be looking for reasons to complain

Yeah, it's the same 3 or 4 as usual!

[RaceToTheTop]

21 minutes ago, Kepner said:

This!! Seems that there are players that a lot on here want gone but now that a few of them have announced that they are in fact transferring it’s turned into bash Miller and the staff. A lot of people seem to be looking for reasons to complain

There is something that Miller said when he was hired that he may have wished he hadn't ventured from:  he stated when he was hired that he didn't know if he would ever use 13 scholarships, that it could be 10 or 11.  He said that it wasn't possible to keep 13 players happy.  Even with all the injuries we had, we had a walk on getting more time that some of the scholarship players and several scholly players never figured into the rotation.

[Old Friend]

I'd look for a couple more to exit.  It sounded and often looked to me like Archie was learning this season.  Learning about the kids on his team; learning about the kids he sort of blindly recruited (see : Anderson); and learning what kind of program he needs.   Some don't/didn't fit.

Without naming names, I don't think this is close to done / "cleaned up" yet, and I think there are a whole lot of new faces waiting to join the fray next season; many of them with experience elsewhere.

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

This!! Seems that there are players that a lot on here want gone but now that a few of them have announced that they are in fact transferring it’s turned into bash Miller and the staff. A lot of people seem to be looking for reasons to complain

You are exactly right

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[8bucks]

I get Jake and his Pops frustration. So many times it seemed guys playing in front of him were either not productive (McBob, Evan, Race) or did not give effort (Smith). Even if you did not expect to play much, as the season unfolded and guys ahead of you struggled and yet you don’t see the court then you have to figure out why.

When he got in he seemed enthusiastic but lost. I think I would have played enthusiastic lost players vs uninspired players and would have been frustrated being a parent.

That being said, we don’t know what happened in practice, don’t know if he put in time on his own or did not follow the plan once in the game.

Not enough information for me to judge Archie or Jake. Wish him well and hope he finds a place where he can play a lot.


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[Crimson and Cream]

2 hours ago, Bailey7878 said:

Or maybe fitzner was simply better.


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I refuse to believe that. Fitzner was unproductive on both sides of the ball (that's saying it in a nice way). Moore and Forrester both showed flashes in their limited minutes that Fitzner never showed.

[A.j. Nigh]

I liked Jake and his energy and saw some potential as an upper class man but let’s be honest, we saw Jake for roughly 100 minutes (I admit I didn’t look it up).  Archie saw him 100 minutes every practice. You really think he purposely played a worse player over Jake?  Obviously Jake and Moore weren’t ready and Archie saw that in practice or they would have played.  

[Stuhoo]

4 hours ago, Joe DeLow said:

At this point he’s just a manager.


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[Joe DeLow]

And the class is not the movement. Get your head straight.

It’s almost comparable. We get a stud point guard(Rob and Yogi). A big guy that is playable(Thompson and Hanner). A wing that fizzles out(Anderson and Hollowell). A big that didn’t really even play(Forrester and Jurkin). And a guy that never even played at IU(Hunter and Patterson). Romeo is the outlier and it is debatable how much we ended up getting out of him outside of some good highlights and glimpses of what he can do on both ends of the court. This class didn’t have the hype around everyone, but the situations are comparable enough.


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[Dillion]

I liked Jake and his energy and saw some potential as an upper class man but let’s be honest, we saw Jake for roughly 100 minutes (I admit I didn’t look it up).  Archie saw him 100 minutes every practice. You really think he purposely played a worse player over Jake?  Obviously Jake and Moore weren’t ready and Archie saw that in practice or they would have played.  

Love....love....love...I dont know why people dont understand this. Coaches play the most talented kids they have on the roster. They play the kids they trust and they see them a lot more than we do. If Forrester was not getting time it's because he did not show enough in practice and he certainly didnt show enough in games. There is a reason Archie played Fitzner over him and its simply because Jake was even less ready than Fitzner.

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[Deserthoozier]

3 hours ago, Ohreally said:

He committed 10.7 fouls per 40 minutes.  That's not much less than twice the rate of the next most foul-prone player on the roster.  Seems like a reason to me.

That’s cause he was gettin after it!

[Alford Bailey]

31 minutes ago, A.j. Nigh said:

I liked Jake and his energy and saw some potential as an upper class man but let’s be honest, we saw Jake for roughly 100 minutes (I admit I didn’t look it up).  Archie saw him 100 minutes every practice. You really think he purposely played a worse player over Jake?  Obviously Jake and Moore weren’t ready and Archie saw that in practice or they would have played.  

Truth. If guys couldnt get minutes with the injuries and lack of effort we saw this year then I wouldnt expect much moving forward.

[RaceToTheTop]

3 hours ago, MikeRoberts said:

Nobody got abused more on defense than fitzner


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No, Jake did.  The bar was just lower for him since he was a freshman.