The Season Is Finally Over, Now Where Does This Program Go?

[jonz44]

7 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

I’d be lying if I said I felt comfortable with anyone involved with MSU athletics given the pervasiveness of the very serious rape situation at that campus over the decades.


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Honestly, watching their game earlier? After they won to reach the final four all I had was two thoughts. 1) we beat their a$$ twice this year!!! and 2) after all the s**t that's gone on in their program under Izzo's watch they're going to the final four and he, the media, and other coaches just act like life's grand and he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's really pretty pathetic. Makes a person think there is no justice and ya wanna vomit. I think Cal is shady but at least he doesn't have that crap happening! 

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Holtmann wasn't interested in the job.

Yet they stay with that narrative.

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[Feathery]

1 hour ago, Uspshoosier said:

Kyle Guy did. Just bad luck he didn’t feel a bond with Crean. There will always be kids that will be IU fans living in Indiana


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Well, when Crean doubted that he had the athleticism for this level.... was told this by someone close to Kyle Guy. He would have been a Hoosier had Crean came after him earlier and believed in him.  By the time IU showed interest in him, he wa sold on Bennett and Virginia. 

[Joe DeLow]

Kyle Guy did. Just bad luck he didn’t feel a bond with Crean. There will always be kids that will be IU fans living in Indiana


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Id say that’s the definition of slim to none. Kyle Guy and no one else.


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[WayneFleekHoosier]

Id say that’s the definition of slim to none. Kyle Guy and no one else.


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Not true.


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[Uspshoosier]

Id say that’s the definition of slim to none. Kyle Guy and no one else.


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So no other division 1 caliber player in the history of the IHSAA anymore will ever grow up being a Indiana basketball fan. Not one kid? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?


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[Whoozhers]

Well..... at least it looks like we beat the NCAA Champion twice this year. So, there’s that. [emoji848]


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[Brass Cannon]

2 minutes ago, Whoozhers said:

Well..... at least it looks like we beat the NCAA Champion twice this year. So, there’s that.


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Statistically Virginia is the most heavily favored from what I have seen. 

[Chris007]

On 3/31/2019 at 12:03 AM, RealIU said:

Agreed, on the mediocrity pertaining to coaching! Proof is in the pudding, see Ohio State last 3 mins at Assembly Hall! We missed on Holtmann!


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You sound like someone who played for many mediocre coaches or at UK either one. :-)

[pumpfake]

My 2¢:

- There will be kids that grow up liking IU.  Some will just be fans of the program, some because of certain players.  This is where Vic can be a factor, from being at IU and now starring for the local NBA team.

- Some kids will like the way the team plays and/or the personality of the coach.  This requires on court success.  We obviously have a way to go here. Because he's still establishing his 'culture', this is where Archie must (and Crean failed miserably at) establish a positive reputation with coaches throughout the state.

- Some kids will be influenced by what other players have chosen to play here - such as Langford & T. Davis. Also some will base interest on players who go on to the NBA. It's very early in the CAM tenure for there to be much here, with only one of his recruiting classes having played.

Regardless, of whether a kid has prior interest before his recruitment, Archie has to sell, and convince them that this is the place for them.  The two things I really want is for the staff to find kids with the right skill sets and mindset to fit the vision, and for the kids we recruit to want to be a part of the team and culture - not to string every thing out based primarily on their own future aspirations.

TL;DR

I'm not as concerned about kids growing up wanting to play here as much as making recuits really want to be part of the program.

 

[Joe DeLow]

So no other division 1 caliber player in the history of the IHSAA anymore will ever grow up being a Indiana basketball fan. Not one kid? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?


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Good enough to play at IU? I’m not talking Grant Gelons. Guys who can actually play at a high level. It’s going to be an incredibly small pool of players to pull from.


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[Uspshoosier]

Good enough to play at IU? I’m not talking Grant Gelons. Guys who can actually play at a high level. It’s going to be an incredibly small pool of players to pull from.


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Agree it will be a smaller pool then it once was 25 years ago but you said 0 players. 0 is different then a small pool of players. Absolute button problems? Dropping to the 42 in overall wins and 44 in overall winning percentage the last 25 years was going to impact the size of the pool but there will always be kids from Indiana that grow up wanting to play at IU


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[Hillsdale87]

[emoji23] but we both speak truth, no top 100 kid in America is excited to play for Archie and that boring methodical offense.


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Which is why Archie signed a McD AA in back to back years... [emoji849]


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[wirenuts]

30 minutes ago, RealIU said:

Nope never played for Archie, Mr. Insider
Just calling it how it is. You can travel to any gym in Indiana, California, North Carolina etc and they are saying the same thing about Archie. I will give you an example I seen first hand Archie attempted to recruit Cole Anthony and The Family immediately **** that down, due to coaching philosophy differences.


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Have you ever played for a coach by the name of deez?

[MoyeNeeded]

1 hour ago, RealIU said:

Nope never played for Archie, Mr. Insider
Just calling it how it is. You can travel to any gym in Indiana, California, North Carolina etc and they are saying the same thing about Archie. I will give you an example I seen first hand Archie attempted to recruit Cole Anthony and The Family immediately **** that down, due to coaching philosophy differences.


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What was the philosophy difference? Let me guess...CAM won't let a privileged ball hog kid come in and run the show. I watched alot of Anthony and it is all about him!

[mdn82]

Hopefully wherever this shitty season went it takes some of these shitty posters with it.

 

 

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[rebelcc]

I find it interesting how a random poster goes to all of these AAU events and hears all this info about how IU could have done better with their hire but yet every known media outlet gave IU an A for their hire.  Whether this hire works out or not is up in the air.  A couple of iffy seasons brings out all the naysayers with the “see, told ya.”  

I credit IU with going after Miller because, by most accounts, this was a big time hire.  If this works out then...jackpot!!  If not, then back to the drawing board unfortunately.  

I can agree, this season was a big disappointment.  Why?  It could be a number of things and probably a lot of things we don’t know and will never know.  That’s for the team to know and figure out.  For now, I trust they can figure this out.  If not, then I’m also hopeful IU will do what is necessary to get us on the right track.

FWIW, I wanted Bennett but if we would have hired him...it would have been “he can’t win in the tourney and can’t recruit...he sucks!”  Now he is in the final 4.  We can probably do this with plenty of other coaches.

Some of you must literally spend your entire life complaining about everything.  You should try and find some other hobbies to enjoy.  Might bring some happiness to your life other than whining about something you can’t control.  

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan]

Which is why Archie signed a McD AA in back to back years... [emoji849]


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Pesky facts

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[Stuhoo]

RealIU ... You just got yourself a co-shared ChiSox theme song!

 

 

 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

On 4/1/2019 at 6:48 AM, Uspshoosier said:

So no other division 1 caliber player in the history of the IHSAA anymore will ever grow up being a Indiana basketball fan. Not one kid? Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?


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If he knew how ridiculous he sounded he would have stopped posting before he even started.