Archie Miller's staff at Indiana will be Bruiser Flint, Tom Ostrom (Dayton) and Ed Schilling (UCLA),

[LamarCheeks]

22 minutes ago, Josh said:

There was media reporting about Billy Donovan too.

All I'm saying is it was pure speculation. It wasn't happening.

To be honest, I don't remember one legitimate media source reporting anything about Donovan. It was just websites and chat rooms going off their rockers. But I agree, Donovan to IU wasn't happening. 

[Alford Bailey]

Ed Schilling is a leap into the dark side of basketball recruiting. Which Im fine with by the way. What you have to do to win and the NCAA has become a joke so no fear there.

[AKHoosier]

1 hour ago, Alford Bailey said:

Ed Schilling is a leap into the dark side of basketball recruiting. Which Im fine with by the way. What you have to do to win and the NCAA has become a joke so no fear there.

That's a hell of a stretch to say that about Schilling.  What has he been penalized for by the NCAA?

From what I understand, he doesn't have a history of major or even minor transgressions with the NCAA, so why is hiring him considered "a leap into the dark side of basketball recruiting"?

[Alford Bailey]

13 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

That's a hell of a stretch to say that about Schilling.  What has he been penalized for by the NCAA?

From what I understand, he doesn't have a history of major or even minor transgressions with the NCAA, so why is hiring him considered "a leap into the dark side of basketball recruiting"?

Who said he was penalized? Schilling has a reputation of "getting things done" which Im fine with. Tells me we are "all in" when it comes to recruiting and I know his father in law well so all good.

[Brass Cannon]

Schilling exists in the grey area that you have to be in to have success on an elite level

[AKHoosier]

6 minutes ago, Alford Bailey said:

Who said he was penalized? Schilling has a reputation of "getting things done" which Im fine with. Tells me we are "all in" when it comes to recruiting and I know his father in law well so all good.

Well when someone says hiring him is a leap into the dark side of recruiting, to me that suggests that he's done some shady things and has been penalized for it.  I would reserve a phrase like that for Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, John Calipari, Eddie Sutton, etc.

Maybe you meant that he operates in the gray.

[Alford Bailey]

8 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Well when someone says hiring him is a leap into the dark side of recruiting, to me that suggests that he's done some shady things and has been penalized for it.  I would reserve a phrase like that for Larry Brown, Kelvin Sampson, John Calipari, Eddie Sutton, etc.

Maybe you meant that he operates in the gray.

Yea yea gray area......thats what I meant.

 

FWIW heard a local HS coach go on a 5 minute tirade recently about what went on at Park Tudor under Schilling. Really nothing that doesnt happen at most big time HS programs though.

[Hoosierfan2017]

If we gotta dance with the devil like the other top programs then so be it. The NCAA won't do anything to you so you're only hurting yourself if you don't want to go into the gray areas. 

[8bucks]

Yea yea gray area......thats what I meant.
 
FWIW heard a local HS coach go on a 5 minute tirade recently about what went on at Park Tudor under Schilling. Really nothing that doesnt happen at most big time HS programs though.

Wonder how many other Indiana coaches feel this way? Schilling, if brought in, would presumably be the guy to help us do better in the state.

[AKHoosier]

25 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

If we gotta dance with the devil like the other top programs then so be it. The NCAA won't do anything to you so you're only hurting yourself if you don't want to go into the gray areas. 

I think you can operate in the gray without being willing to dance with the devil, so to speak.

If all we were to do is foster the promise of a marketing or endorsement deal after a player decides to turn pro, then that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.  To me it's just business.  It's a business deciding to invest in its future by promoting a product via the likeness of a player.  As long as there's no money being exchanged, only a "handshake agreement", then that's different.

What I absolutely don't want us to do, though, is to become a magnet for the countless "advisors" and "uncles" of top-rated kids looking to score deals through the kid's pick of a school as well.  I don't want IU to become known as a place where one of those guys can cash in on a kid they simply see as their meal ticket.

[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Besides David Grace, Schilling was responsible for mostly all of UCLA's kids. Which is a bunch of highly ranked kids. I will not give anyone credit for the Ball's but USC was a contender. They wanted to be in LA. Plain and simple.

It seems like big bro and Calipari have been pretty good references for these guys. Schilling worked with Cal at Umass and Nets as well. I just want our staff to finally be announced so we can get these guys on the road.

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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Yea yea gray area......thats what I meant.
 
FWIW heard a local HS coach go on a 5 minute tirade recently about what went on at Park Tudor under Schilling. Really nothing that doesnt happen at most big time HS programs though.

Success brings plenty of hate sadly. Heck Southwood was an okay school and then we poached Marion's PG and made it to semi state to get beat by Yogi and Schilling. It happens EVERYWHERE. La Lumiere does it as well.

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[JSHoosier]

1 minute ago, Fkfootball1 said:

With IUs luck, we will give a kid $500 dollars to come to IU, and the NCAA will hit us with the death penalty.

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If we don't self report I doubt it.  Even with Sampson making too many phone calls IU self-reported and self-imposed the sanctions, the NCAA accepted.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Yeah private schools poach players EVERYWHERE, including here in Fort Wayne.

The public school coaches hate the process as they naturally would. It's just a fact of life and athletics.


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[Yogi's Picnic Basket]

Rabjohns shared a story to scout to show our staff but of course you have to pay. Anyone have it?

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[Hoosierfan2017]

I don't have access but "big-time strength and conditioning coach" seems to describe the guy that was named on here yesterday. 

[Uspshoosier]

Rabjohns shared a story to scout to show our staff but of course you have to pay. Anyone have it?

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Schilling, flint, ostrum. Strength coach clif marshal.


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[HinnyHoosier]

Like, a sure thing? Or a "this is very possible" thing?

 

Edit:  regarding the Rabjohns story. For some reason didn't quote you, Usps.

Edited April 8, 2017 by HinnyHoosier

[Tom White]

1 hour ago, Fkfootball1 said:

With IUs luck, we will give a kid $500 dollars to come to IU, and the NCAA will hit us with the death penalty.

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That isn't what I'd call luck. If IU were to pay a player they would deserve punishment. No, I don't care if other places do it or not.

[SteelerHoosier]

58 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Yeah private schools poach players EVERYWHERE, including here in Fort Wayne.

The public school coaches hate the process as they naturally would. It's just a fact of life and athletics.


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Literally have to recruit our own kids to stay at their home school anymore. It's ridiculous.