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Just my opinion, but in terms of analogies, I’d say IUBB is more like a dilapidated abandoned mansion or awesome sports car that has been left in a barn for 30 years. There is still something unique and great here, but a lot of difficult restoration work is needed. And probably some modern upgrades.

Bilas shouting out IUs DeVries as one of the best hires of the cycle along with Sean Miller and Will Wade. Nice optics for the program

Woody owes every penny he made at IU to Trayce Jackson Davis. He was just insane down the stretch that year.

It probably won't, but if it makes anyone feel better, it sure seemed like Ben didn't want the IU job. And yea perhaps it's Scott's job to sell him on it, but not sure that was possible. Also, yes, maybe Scott offered CDD first as his preferred candidate. Anyways, it's water under the bridge now. TBD if we add Ben to our long list of what-if hires: Coach K, Pitino, Beilein, Boy Wonder, Dusty, I can't even remember them all at this point there are so many. I like CDD. He wanted the IUBB job. He's a good coach.

Can’t lie, even as an old man I am crazy excited about this game. New HC, new team, new style of play. Dawn of a new era. I’m having that moment in Risky Business when Tom Cruise looks up at the clock in class and it goes backwards. 2 hrs can’t get here fast enough. As much as I love what Cig and IUFB have done, Woddy was right about 1 thing: IUBB is the $hit.

Still leading the B1G in attendance the last couple years and top 6 nationally despite being a middle of the pack B1G team on the court and no tournament success shows me IU is still a basketball school. Either way, call it a football school or basketball school but the outside perception will be IU is a basketball school. During their football games, announcers go out of their way to bring up the basketball history. For me IU will always be a basketball school first (shocker I know)

Basketball may be good, even great, again under DDV. But will they be so great they outshine IUFB, about to go 2/2 on CFP appearances under Cig? Very possibly the first undefeated season... Stadium renovations/expansion being talked about more and more. For the AD to grow, football needs to succeed. It's more important than bball success, flat out. I wonder how often they will talk about the football team during basketball games this year. Plenty probably. Won't be surprised if they talk about basketball less and less during football games unless we turn it around fast. Totally fine by me... and I'd bet Cig too. Changing the way people think around here and what not. I prefer basketball to football on a personal level. But IUFB is way more fun to root for and follow right now. I buy that IUBB is a sleeping giant. But I don't think it's going to overtake the momentum football has built without huge, nearly immediate success. Historically a basketball school. Currently a football school. Potentially an "everything" school if IUBB gets it figured out. If the basketball program starts to wake up, this is a good "problem" to have. And money will flow.

The attendance thing is a good point, even though due to stadium size there’s only a couple schools that can possibly claim the top spot. In any event, we have amazing fans. Both loyal and patient. It’s why it always irks me when one of these coaches goes south that some contingent of the athletic department, coaching community, or blindly loyal fans blames the fan base. It’s nonsense. With that said, I was kind of thinking more along the lines of what we’ve been, where we’re at, and where we’re going. At some level people will always associate IU and the state of Indiana with basketball. But looking at the money IU and its donors are pouring in on Cig and the football program and you have to at least raise the question. That’s not happening at Duke, UK, Uconn and Kansas. I’m not sure where that leaves IU. But another failed coach and 4-8 years lost in the wilderness for IU basketball while Cig goes to a couple more playoffs (or wins a title) and all the nostalgia in the world won’t matter. The balance of power will be firmly with the football program. Everyone inside and outside will recognize it. And I’m in your camp—as far as sports go IU basketball will always be my first choice.

As an aside on this FB vs BB topic, I'd hate to be an athletic director. You got to: Manage all these programs that all want more resources, especially in this rev share/NIL era Keep the donors giving, and my goodness do we have some pain in the @$$ donors lol Get money from the university/BoT (thankfully our President is into sports) Deal with the fans, and there will always be some angry fans Get coaching hires right Manage the operations of the athletic dept Deal with periodic PR issues Do the politics thing within the conference and broader college sports landscape to advance IU's interests When an AD does well they don't get much credit, and when something goes wrong people get mad as hell at them. ADs do get paid a lot, but it's a tough gig.

It took me a second. But yes interesting comment. We only have 1 common opponent. By the end of the year we will have 4. We get to play all the remaining after OSU. So Cig knows what to do. Beat PSU by 50, Wisconsin by 50 and the Purdue we should just break the scoreboard

Who's "Purdue Linda"? :D edit: he fixed it.

Oh dear lord. If you close your eyes, you’d swear that the coach you’re listening to in this clip is Robert Montgomery Knight. Pretty much a dead ringer for RMK‘s philosophies and vocal inflection.

In other words ... these sh!tty teams really hate seeing: Khobie Martin run off tackle for 15 yards at a pop behind our backup offensive lineman in the fourth quarter. Backup QB Alberto running off tackle for 53 yards behind our backup offensive line. Backup DB Reese recovering a fumble caused by backup DB Baldwin. 'Cause it runs up the score!!

I've never been happier with IU athletics, at least in the modern era -- let's call that after the late 90's so we don't debate old eras that were different. Are we a BB or FB school? Doesn't really matter. I'd say BB, that's still what we know best. Can FB be the dominate focus at a BB school? Yes. CFB is 4-5x bigger than CBB. IU fans fundamentally love FB like the whole country does, so when IUFB is good it's very easy to get very into CFB and the magnitude of the games and the huge gameday experiences. As long as IUFB is a ranked program in the playoff mix (I know we're a bit more than that right now!), it's going take fan attention away from MBB until the IUFB season ends. But the trade off is worth it. CFB makes basically all the money and creates the most exposure, and if you want to be a relevant school in college sports it's 95% down to your CFB program. And IUBB will have enough support to get by. I'm pretty pleased with what's happening with MBB. Okay, first off, Scott and IU have somehow turned our football program into a good one that competes with programs that have 2x our resources. Absolutely amazing. Literally. And to do that, IU is putting a lot more into the IUFB staff and donors are putting more into FB NIL. Now, despite doing all that, work is still being done on MBB. It's pretty clear there was a political struggle, and when he could, Scott fired Woody's sorry behind midseason(!) and paid him a $6.5M lump sum to get out (that was the negotiated buyout). Then he selected CDD and paid a $6M buyout to cryin' West Virginia to get him. He's paying CDD 5th most in the conference and he gave CDD a top-5 or 10 staff budget (definitely tops the conference) and ~$10M for players (#10-20 in the country). That's enough to build a strong program. This is serious effort on MBB, especially given what's happening across the parking lot in the most important college sport. Of course the jury is still out on CDD. I'm not sure how well he'll do here. And some of our fans more interested in MBB may want more resources poured into MBB and a faster turnaround. But, with CFB being the dominant sport and IU still being a fairly small athletic department in the P4, that's unlikely. What I see right now with our MBB program is our AD appears to be more in control, it's been given legit resources, and the new coach appears to be good at coaching. This could work, not sure I can ask for more than that. Fixing 30 years of mediocrity and four recent years of serious Woody damage is going to take two to three years. I get some don't like that timeline, but rebuilding any sort of organization, be it a company or a sports program, takes a few years 99% of the time. The last 30 years of IU athletics have stunk and I complained a lot and often grew apathetic. I don't know the future, I'm sure there will be ups and downs, but overall I see an athletic dept being run pretty darn well. I don’t want to be someone never happy with IU sports, so my approach here is I may as well enjoy this and hopefully it lasts a long time.

https://x.com/lavarkeys5/status/1985876904943968372 This seems fairly promising

IMO the "drop to normalcy" became a given with Archie's 20 point loss to IPFW. Fans have found a few glimmers of hope since then, but on the whole it's been a slow and painful descent for decades. That felt like a moment that really deflated the fanbase though. IU is absolutely a football school now. Ask any student there... they'll tell you. We are a football school with a rich basketball history. We have the potential to be an "everything" school if DDV can get us on the right track on the basketball side.

It was supposed to be a romp and it was.

Galloway touts Texas AM body of work. They have beaten ND by a point (on the road, I’ll give them that), 2 non-conference nobodies and then SEC wins against Auburn, Ms State, Florida, Arkansas and LSU all of whom are bad. I’d put at Iowa and Oregon, plus Illinois win at home, above what AM has done.

Seth Tow - Indiana men’s basketball opens a 25.5 point favorite over Alabama A&M tomorrow. Over/under 145.5.

"Coach Cig is starting to rub many B1G programs and coaches the wrong way." LOL! Welcome to our pain and suffering for the 100+ years prior to having an actual football coach. Here's the thing though, I don't see our curb stomps as running up the score. We basically put it in cruise control once the game is in hand. Yeah we have the foot on the gas but it's not like IUFB is going full throttle. Breaking a team's will is something this coaching staff is accustomed to and coached to the players. Am I wrong? He's been this way since day one. Break his opponent's will. Since day one. "Football's a very humbling game and there's always someone out there that can get the measure of you." -Bill Parcells

This is hilarious. Wisconsin fans spent the entire afternoon victory lapping their beer numbers. Those poor folks can't catch a break.

Twenty years later, Bowling Green is still trying to drink away the memory that Dakich was their basketball coach.

GAME DAY!!!!! Hey, Coach DV... And all you fans! We have been waiting for this. A new era of basketball at Indiana University, a big ten school with a rich history and a bunch of National Championship banners. Fans that are incredible! What do you do to get ready? Do you put on your game face?

The CFP committee chairman (who, by the way, got his masters at THE Indiana University) must hate Penn State.

Joey Galloway claiming A&M has the best win in CFB this year at #10 ND, while looking at a graphic that has Oregon at #9 is an all-timer. Or how about everyone agreeing that “everyone is entitled to one close game” regarding TWO LOSS NOTRE DAME last week against Boston College. This show has not lost its fastball.

We made it!!!!!! Hoosier basketball is here! Man this year has flown by!

Exactly. Guessing it has been discussed here but I haven’t posted much on this side so not aware- but the Cig running it up is such a false narrative by opposing fans and media in general. We all watch so we know but just looking at the scoring of all the blowout games (no Iowa/Oregon), IU has a 4thQ scoring margin avg of 7 points. Seven. In quarters 1-3, margin is over 35pts on avg. and mostly in quarters 2 and 3. The backups play Q4, Fernando rarely, and mostly just run the ball. IU has ONE passing touchdown in those games in the 4th and that was last week with 11min to go by Alberto. What else do they want him to do? Take a knee for 15 minutes??

Went to actually check on the state of PSU fans. In a thread titled "Can PSU win 3 more games" we have this beauty: And then last night someone said: "In a fascinating turn of events given what is happening tonight...this thread also applies to Penn State basketball" So yeah, things aren't great up in the hills.

I don’t. Even Iowa preferred our coach

https://x.com/FingerWAGHoyas/status/1986153264040321380 Oh look, another 21yo international freshman PG.

this is my nightmare

Reportedly 31 on Caesar's per Andershock.

Must be a basketball renaissance in Hawaii because one of their D2 schools beat Boise State on Monday night.

That was over a decade ago. Also, I have to say that our high point in the last 25 yrs being the one time we were ranked #1, a celebrity picked us to win the tourney, and we flamed out in the S16 is kind of sad. That would be something a school like Nebraska or Florida St would look back fondly on. Schools like UConn, Duke, UK, etc…would consider that a low-light. I don’t know what we are, but it’s hard to make the case we’re a basketball school. I kind of think we nominally are based on facilities/budget, etc… but I am not sure that’s even the case. We’re pouring a ton of money into football. If Cig and CDD get into a battle of resources, I am not sure wins out. I think probably Cig, which is a notion that would’ve been laughable 5-10yrs ago.

It’s a new way of football life to look at IU point spreads. Each week IU is favored by approximately 2 to 4 tds…..It’s just flipped over from what the past once was traditionally. Often IU covers the spread. (Working way out of most college football losses category).

Oregon got about 15 chances and finally slopped one in to win 60 - 59. Ugly offense all the way around.

Welcome to the late night edition of the college bball thread. Oregon finds itself in a dogfight with Hawaii - tied with 5 minutes left.

I hope you are right. I started watching IU basketball in the McCracken years with Jimmy Rayl and those guys. Then the VanArsdale years were great. I saw the entire Coach Knight tenure. I think Coach DeVries has a chance to be the "guy". It's going to take me a while to get my enthusiasm back for IU basketball. For now, I'm enjoying the hell out the Cig era.

Would bet that line increases tomorrow

Iowa at 20 is evidence the committee may not be complete ****heads!

Caffey looks like she’s 12 lol

All that to say...Robbie Hummel sucks, actually. (And Brian Butch rocks, actually.)

PSU will be ready to play. We must bring our best and be limit mistakes.

Dorn should be available Wednesday

Ehh... Purdue or BTC would be my bet.

You forgot Bardo and Jess Settles.

I get the same uneasy feeling as you, just from the historical aspect of it and looking at the seasons in general. But then when you start thinking about the game being played on the field...their offense is only somewhat dangerous when they can run the ball, which we're elite at stopping. They can't throw AT. ALL. If they're stuck playing in 3rd and medium/long all day they'll be in hell. They also don't stop the run worth a crap either, which...we do pretty well. A sleepy Beaver Stadium against a team that we match up pretty well with? I feel pretty good.