(2019) SF Keion Brooks Jr. to Kentucky

[Bailey7878]

Cal has whiffed on 4 straight recruits so now he's all over Keion as a last resort I've heard. Again I still think we're in the drivers seat thanks to TJD, Armaan, and Keion being so close and Keion being made a priority instead of a last resort. I remember Keion posting something cryptic on Twitter a little while ago saying "I'm going to go to whoever needs me, not who wants me..."
 
 
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Who has cal whiffed on? Have not followed it.

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[Uspshoosier]

Who has cal whiffed on? Have not followed it.

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Carey, Stewart, and Tshiebwe off the top of my head


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[Uspshoosier]

Carey, Stewart, and Tshiebwe off the top of my head


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Edwards, Antoine, Scottie Lewis, Nnaji, Wiseman


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2 hours ago, jbell833 said:

Cal has whiffed on 4 straight recruits so now he's all over Keion as a last resort I've heard. Again I still think we're in the drivers seat thanks to TJD, Armaan, and Keion being so close and Keion being made a priority instead of a last resort. I remember Keion posting something cryptic on Twitter a little while ago saying "I'm going to go to whoever needs me, not who wants me..."

 

 

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Not a tea leaves guy. But as cryptic tweets go, I can’t really imagine a much more positive one than that.

[mark1981]

Not a tea leaves guy. But as cryptic tweets go, I can’t really imagine a much more positive one than that.

He wont have to worry about playing time at IU

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[TheWatShot]

Has college basketball gone back to having media timeouts even if a team calls one? PSU took a timeout just under the 12 minute mark, one play, whistle, now the media timeout. I thought they did away with that crap.

[JHoosier914]

3 hours ago, jbell833 said:

Cal has whiffed on 4 straight recruits so now he's all over Keion as a last resort I've heard. Again I still think we're in the drivers seat thanks to TJD, Armaan, and Keion being so close and Keion being made a priority instead of a last resort. I remember Keion posting something cryptic on Twitter a little while ago saying "I'm going to go to whoever needs me, not who wants me..."

 

 

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I looked for this tweet on his timeline and couldn’t find it. Probably deleted, I’d guess

[mdn82]

Haven’t followed much about his outside recruiting- is it Calipari you’re referring to about wanting him to go to UK?


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His dad wants him there.


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[mdn82]

What within my post is not a surprise?  
The fact that there is someone who knows which college leads at any point in time and can call it a tie because this person can tell when Keion's "feels" are perfectly equal for two schools?  That would be a surprise to me.  I doubt his family even knows what his final decision will be, as they seem to be tugging in two directions...and, it's quite possible Keion doesn't even know yet, as it's a major decision for an 18 year old kid to make.
Or, do you mean it's no surprise that people claimed he already signed with Indiana?  I would agree with this being no surprise.
I'm guessing you mean it's no surprise it's down to those two schools, which was not the question I was asking...although, I do appreciate your input.  It's his dad wanting him to enroll at UK and his mom wanting him to enroll at IU, correct?  Do you know the family, or have you just heard the rumors?  There are plenty of them flying around, which was my point in the previous post.
Again, many thanks!

No I do not know his family, but I am friends with a couple of his ex coaches. Which is why I said months ago this will come down to UK and IU. Dad wanted UK for his draft prospects for a long time. Keion at the time want IU and to play with TJD. Dad has had him hold off. This season has hard for IU and hasn’t exactly helped us here. I don’t know what percentages you speak of but there is nothing that deals with absolutes in recruiting until there is pen to paper.


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11 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

No I do not know his family, but I am friends with a couple of his ex coaches. Which is why I said months ago this will come down to UK and IU. Dad wanted UK for his draft prospects for a long time. Keion at the time want IU and to play with TJD. Dad has had him hold off. This season has hard for IU and hasn’t exactly helped us here. I don’t know what percentages you speak of but there is nothing that deals with absolutes in recruiting until there is pen to paper.


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First question...Does Keion fit at Indiana?  

Second question....do we want another player worried primarily about his draft prospects?

Third question....do we want a kid who looks at a season and runs away instead of wanting to be the reason it gets better?

I dunno'.  I'm sick of Noah Vonleh.  Thomas Bryant.  Romeo Langford.  I want Indiana Hoosiers...not minor league basketball players and a stack of talented players who will never be a team.

[mdn82]

First question...Does Keion fit at Indiana?  
Second question....do we want another player worried primarily about his draft prospects?
Third question....do we want a kid who looks at a season and runs away instead of wanting to be the reason it gets better?
I dunno'.  I'm sick of Noah Vonleh.  Thomas Bryant.  Romeo Langford.  I want Indiana Hoosiers...not minor league basketball players and a stack of talented players who will never be a team.

1. He is very talented so I would say yes.

2. Every kid that comes to IU as a top 150 kid thinks they are or will be draft material.

3. I don’t even know how to answer that and I am guessing that was rhetorical.


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1 minute ago, mdn82 said:

1. He is very talented so I would say yes.

Talented doesn't mean a kid fits.  Stockpiling talent hasn't worked.  At all.  

2. Every kid that comes to IU as a top 150 kid thinks they are or will be draft material.

I know....but Cody Zeller wasn't concerned about his draft prospects as a reason he chose a school.  As an example....  We've had enough talented kids who don't fit.  

3. I don’t even know how to answer that and I am guessing that was rhetorical.

It was a serious question.  Why do we want kids who see a bad season without them on the team and run away instead of saying "I want to be a reason that gets better" ?


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[Hoosierfan2017]

9 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I always say you are much quicker than most people on here give you credit for. 

Ok I was just asking a question because there's nothing out there about him being down to two teams, no need to be a jerk about it. 

[DChoosier]

36 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

Dad wanted UK for his draft prospects for a long time. 


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In a way I don’t have a problem with this train of thought  because I understand a business student picking IU because of Kelly (ie the school will help me get the job I want).

On the other hand I cannot believe how overblown the “”Cal will get you to the NBA “ mantra is. He has a lot of players in the NBA because he successfully recruited NBA talent.  I could have coached Davis, Rose, Wall etc into the pros while drinking beer, rubbing my belly and watching TV.  How many UK players are in the league that no one thought had a chance? My guess is virtually no one, That should be the marker.

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13 minutes ago, DChoosier said:

In a way I don’t have a problem with this train of thought  because I understand a business student picking IU because of Kelly (ie the school will help me get the job I want).

On the other hand I cannot believe how overblown the “”Cal will get you to the NBA “ mantra is. He has a lot of players in the NBA because he successfully recruited NBA talent.  I could have coached Davis, Rose, Wall etc into the pros while drinking beer, rubbing my belly and watching TV.  How many UK players are in the league that no one thought had a chance? My guess is virtually no one, That should be the marker.

I think kids have realized this hence his recruiting drop off. Still gets some studs just because the benefits of UK. The Dorms, book reports on the Cat in the Hat(In the honors college) and sorority girls with no teeth are all benefits with appeal. 

[Walking Boot of Doom]

First question...Does Keion fit at Indiana?  

Second question....do we want another player worried primarily about his draft prospects?

Third question....do we want a kid who looks at a season and runs away instead of wanting to be the reason it gets better?

I dunno'.  I'm sick of Noah Vonleh.  Thomas Bryant.  Romeo Langford.  I want Indiana Hoosiers...not minor league basketball players and a stack of talented players who will never be a team.

Thomas Bryant?? If anything that kid played with too much heart.

 

Like it or not, you need all of those guys and all the guys to come who you will likely not be a fan of in order to win it all. It’s going to take a combination of the old school upperclassmen heavy teams with some new age star power. Villanova is damn near the best example out there.

 

Also, what’s wrong with a kid looking out for his own best interests? Did you go into work every day for the name on the front of your time card? No. Like it or not, it’s a business now. Indiana needs to be a place that creates mutually beneficial opportunities for these kids. Kentucky, like it or not, has done a great job of this. Probably in an unsustainable fashion, but they did it well.

 

In short, no need to answer your three questions, the only one that matters is do we need Keion Brooks? That my old friend, is a big hell yes.

 

 

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26 minutes ago, Walking Boot of Doom said:

Thomas Bryant?? If anything that kid played with too much heart.

 

Like it or not, you need all of those guys and all the guys to come who you will likely not be a fan of in order to win it all. It’s going to take a combination of the old school upperclassmen heavy teams with some new age star power. Villanova is damn near the best example out there.

 

Also, what’s wrong with a kid looking out for his own best interests? Did you go into work every day for the name on the front of your time card? No. Like it or not, it’s a business now. Indiana needs to be a place that creates mutually beneficial opportunities for these kids. Kentucky, like it or not, has done a great job of this. Probably in an unsustainable fashion, but they did it well.

 

In short, no need to answer your three questions, the only one that matters is do we need Keion Brooks? That my old friend, is a big hell yes.

 

 

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Villanova IS the best example, but not for the reasons you think.   Jay Wright was 52-46 in his first 3 years at Villanova,  NIT all 3 seasons and ended one of them with a losing record.  He built his team the way he needed it.  He didn't just stockpile talent.  And he continues to recruit to what he needs over the course of time.   Which is my point.  Do we need a kid who's priority is his NBA draft prospect?  Does that help build a team like Archie needs to build it, or is he just a talented player who really doesn't fit the long term goals of the program?   So yeah....Villanova is an excellent example; but we're not talking about the same thing.   Wright did the same thing at Hofstra.  The formula is there.  My question is whether or not Brooks fits that formula and I'm not sure he does.   Maybe

Nothing is wrong with a kid looking out for his own bets interests.  I never said anything was wrong with that.   If his priority in choosing a school is how or if it helps his draft prospects, he doesn't fit the culture at Indiana.  Or Purdue.  He fits just fine at Kentucky.  Square peg, round hole.   If he wants to play at Indiana and be part of what Archie is trying to build?  Great.  Bring it on.  But I will never believe Indiana is a place for one and done players unless we get 2-3 every year.  We have one now.  How's it working out?  His agenda is different than every other kid on the team.  That's a problem, and I know you can see it as clearly as I can

We agree absolutely on the fact that Indiana needs to be a place to create mutually beneficial opportunities for kids.   But...those opportunities don't necessarily need to be the same opportunities Kentucky offers.  I like juniors and seniors.  I like experienced teams.  Like Iowa.  Purdue.  Michigan State.  Michigan.  (and yeah, "experienced" now means kids with 2+ years in a program.  I understand that and completely agree with it.)  Going back to Villanova...when they won it last season, Brunson was a junior,  Bridges a redshirt junior, Paschall a redshirt junior, Booth a redshirt junior, DiVencenzo a redshirt sophomore. You see my point... Brooks, if his priority is his NBA draft prospect will never BE a redshirt sophomore.  So he'll never BE part of a solution.  He'll be a ship that passes through.

Okay....why?  Why do we need Brooks?  A year ago, you'd likely have told me we "need" Romeo, too.  Not working out so well for the reasons stated above.  I'd love him if he wants to be part of the solution.  But if we're just a necessary stopover on his way to the NBA and he'll never be invested here?  We don't need him.  You may want him, but I don't see a need at all.

[mdn82]

We need Brooks to have the best talent. You bash the Romeo thing, but talent is looking at IU due to the spotlight a name like Romeo Langford shined on IU. You may not like that but that’s the way it is. I will continue to disagree in that we need talent to win. I want the best players available.


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[Walking Boot of Doom]

Not quoting just to save space...

 

Villanova has been signing the top talent in recent years, including McDAAs. They have exactly what you described PLUS the one/two and dones. My argument is that we need both. A heavy hand of juniors and seniors with the added bonus of a Romeo or Keion. I see your point, but I don’t think Brunson nor Spellman not Quiverly nor Swider had plans to be in school longer than it took to get drafted.

 

Romeo was never going to fix the problems of this roster. He’s not a primary ball handler and he’s not a dominant post presence. Not his fault, but he wasn’t the answer. I’d still say we needed him. Good for Indiana in the long run. Hope it turns out to be a good thing for him as well.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, mdn82 said:

We need Brooks to have the best talent. You bash the Romeo thing, but talent is looking at IU due to the spotlight a name like Romeo Langford shined on IU. You may not like that but that’s the way it is. I will continue to disagree in that we need talent to win. I want the best players available.


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I want the best players available if they're going to be here more than one year.   One year rentals, regardless of talent aren't going to build this or any program in a sustainable way.

It's why Tom Crean's Big Ten champions were followed by 8th and 10th place finishes.   Do you think Anthony Edwards will make Georgia a successful program?   Do you think Georgia will win the SEC with him or make a deep run in the NCAA tournament?

If we get Brooks AND a bunch of others like Duke did this season?  Yeah...I see that argument.  But him by himself as a one and done?  I don't see that as helping anything as a program.  You have to build consistent teams....not stockpile talent that doesn't fit together as a team.