IUBB Shot Chart Thread

[HoosierCoop]

1 hour ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Woody would have had a stroke if we'd ever had a shot chart like that while he was coach.

2-13 from 3-point range won't win you a semi-state.

I'm so glad he's gone.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

2 hours ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Woody would have had a stroke if we'd ever had a shot chart like that while he was coach.

Half of woody’s play were set up to get an open mid range look.  lol.  
 

 

[TheWatShot]

Last night, KSU had a player step inside the arc for a long 2 after an IU defender closed out on him. I found myself thinking "good, we want them shooting that" then realized how many times our opponents probably said that over the last four years. 

[Demo]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The IU shot chart against K State is another gawddddamnn thing of beauty:

That is legitimately as good as you can reasonably do it.

[iu eyedoc]

5 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

The IU shot chart against K State is another gawddddamnn thing of beauty:

It's alright if you couldn't find the actual shot chart from last night, no need gaslight us by just using copy and paste of the UW-M chart... which I, also, strongly believe you just copied and pasted from the AL A&M game.

 

Also I suspect that midrange made "shot" was just a poorly executed ally oop until proven otherwise.

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, TheWatShot said:

Last night, KSU had a player step inside the arc for a long 2 after an IU defender closed out on him. I found myself thinking "good, we want them shooting that" then realized how many times our opponents probably said that over the last four eight years. 

fify

And I agree.

[Shooter]

6 hours ago, Uspshoosier said:

The one midrange was an offensive rebound by DeVries and then he  did a  Floater push shot.    

Good thing he made it. Or else straight to jail

[Scotty R]

I guess I am to old school because I see no problem seeing players shoot open 15 foot shots. We have the all time leading scorer in big ten history who made a living on those shots. To me if you use the whole court it makes you harder to defend. I saw many IU teams score over 80 a game without shooting 35 3's. To me it isn't about where you shoot the ball but the quality of the shot and how you get those shots. Guys like Devries and Wilkerson should hit 58+% from an open 15 footer.

[Stuhoo]

12 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I guess I am to old school because I see no problem seeing players shoot open 15 foot shots. We have the all time leading scorer in big ten history who made a living on those shots. To me if you use the whole court it makes you harder to defend. I saw many IU teams score over 80 a game without shooting 35 3's. To me it isn't about where you shoot the ball but the quality of the shot and how you get those shots. Guys like Devries and Wilkerson should hit 58+% from an open 15 footer.

It’s all about points per possession.

If guys like Wilkerson and Devries hit 60% of open 15 footers and 50% of open three-pointers, they are scoring far more by shooting three-pointers. And that’s without including that the offensive rebounding percentage is higher on missed three-pointers than on missed two pointers.

That’s why three pointers and 75+ % shots at the rim are the most efficient and productive ways to score.

[str8baller]

12 hours ago, Scotty R said:

 

I guess I am to old school because I see no problem seeing players shoot open 15 foot shots

 

There’s nothing wrong with OPEN 15 footers.  Best shot still remains an open shot for a good shooter.  
 

But unless a team is really good at protecting the rim and running you off the 3pt line—and KSU isn’t—you can get more optimal open shots at the rim or 3pt line with good ball movement. Stuhoo provided the math above. 

[Hoosierfan2017]

15 hours ago, Scotty R said:

I guess I am to old school because I see no problem seeing players shoot open 15 foot shots. We have the all time leading scorer in big ten history who made a living on those shots. To me if you use the whole court it makes you harder to defend. I saw many IU teams score over 80 a game without shooting 35 3's. To me it isn't about where you shoot the ball but the quality of the shot and how you get those shots. Guys like Devries and Wilkerson should hit 58+% from an open 15 footer.

 Virtually nobody in the history of basketball has ever shot 58% from the midrange. Kevin Durant, one of if not the best midrange shooters is a career 48.1% from 10-16 feet. He’s shot over 58% from that range once in 18 seasons. If you happen to be completely wide open then sure, take one of those shots I guess, but there’s no reason to ever prioritize that shot. Virtually nobody is good enough at them to make it more efficient than a 3 or a paint shot. 

[Scotty R]

2 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

 Virtually nobody in the history of basketball has ever shot 58% from the midrange. Kevin Durant, one of if not the best midrange shooters is a career 48.1% from 10-16 feet. He’s shot over 58% from that range once in 18 seasons. If you happen to be completely wide open then sure, take one of those shots I guess, but there’s no reason to ever prioritize that shot. Virtually nobody is good enough at them to make it more efficient than a 3 or a paint shot. 

What I am saying take the open shot no matter where you are on the court. Just catch it and shoot and not worry where you are on the court because you shoot better when you are not thinking about it.

[Stuhoo]

3 hours ago, Scotty R said:

What I am saying take the open shot no matter where you are on the court. Just catch it and shoot and not worry where you are on the court because you shoot better when you are not thinking about it.

That’s where scheme comes in.

Our actions are designed to free players in certain areas and to draw the defense to certain areas. In very basic terms, we screen, space, and move to open spots behind the three point line, and then flash bigs or drive guards all the way to the rim once the defense gets far extended.

You are a guy that appreciates RMK: He had a motion offense that freed up shooters all over the court; that is, until the 1987 addition of the three point line and Alford. At that point, his motion offense turned into a scheme to free up Alford in deep space. That’s what he used for Jay Edwards and Evans too. Problem is, RMK never really had a shooter of that caliber after those three.

[str8baller]

18 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Our actions are designed to free players in certain areas and to draw the defense to certain areas. In very basic terms, we screen, space, and move to open spots behind the three point line, and then flash bigs or drive guards all the way to the rim once the defense gets far extended.

That’s all well and good. But the defense gets a say in the matter too. For example, with Edey and a set of not all that athletic guards, Painter would just abandon the mid range to keep his guards contesting the 3’s while Edey tried to stay close to the paint. That’s why even though Woodson was no strategic genius his strengths played well vs Painter and despite having inferior teams Woodys IU squads more than held their own vs Purdue. A good example is a guy like Hood-Schafino who was happy to take all the midrange shots Purdue gave him and feasted both games.  
 

If you can consistently out execute your opponents scheme matters less anyways; otherwise sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you. When our execution breaks down we seem to settle for long 3’s which are also inefficient shots because the same math that applies to long 2s apply equally to long 3s. 

[Stuhoo]

28 minutes ago, str8baller said:

That’s all well and good. But the defense gets a say in the matter too. For example, with Edey and a set of not all that athletic guards, Painter would just abandon the mid range to keep his guards contesting the 3’s while Edey tried to stay close to the paint. That’s why even though Woodson was no strategic genius his strengths played well vs Painter and despite having inferior teams Woodys IU squads more than held their own vs Purdue. A good example is a guy like Hood-Schafino who was happy to take all the midrange shots Purdue gave him and feasted both games.  
 

If you can consistently out execute your opponents scheme matters less anyways; otherwise sometimes you have to take what the defense gives you. When our execution breaks down we seem to settle for long 3’s which are also inefficient shots because the same math that applies to long 2s apply equally to long 3s. 

For sure — good coaches find ways to adjust. But a guy like Edey could struggle; our bigs do a lot of perimeter screening; planting a big under the basket could create a two v one game on perimeter actions. And Edey on the perimeter and having to drop cover a flashing big is a good situation for this offense.

[Josh]

To the metrics guys, what are our numbers on shots from 5 feet behind the 3 point line?  Can we at least cut those dumb shots out?  Please?

[WayneFleekHoosier]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

To the metrics guys, what are our numbers on shots from 5 feet behind the 3 point line?  Can we at least cut those dumb shots out?  Please?

While I’ll normally agree, there’s a chance that being willing to jack a few of those a game is extending defenses early and allowing more space in transition and otherwise.  Or maybe not.  We don’t hit many of them, that’s for sure. 

[HoosierHoopster]

On 11/27/2025 at 6:21 PM, Scotty R said:

What I am saying take the open shot no matter where you are on the court. Just catch it and shoot and not worry where you are on the court because you shoot better when you are not thinking about it.

A good 3 point shooting team beats a good midrange shooting team every time, it’s simple math and why the game is now highly dependent on outside shooting. Shooting lower percentage 3’s beats shooting good percentage 2’s it’s straight math

[Josh]

8 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

While I’ll normally agree, there’s a chance that being willing to jack a few of those a game is extending defenses early and allowing more space in transition and otherwise.  Or maybe not.  We don’t hit many of them, that’s for sure. 

If we're making 7% of those shots, would it really extend the defense?

[Stuhoo]

5 minutes ago, Josh said:

If we're making 7% of those shots, would it really extend the defense?

Yes it does.

And we’re making more than 7% of those shots—probably about 20%. Also, while I don’t have stats to back it up, it seems logical that the offensive rebounding % is higher on those shots.