Adam Howard No Longer On Staff

[Golfman25]

7 hours ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

 

Woody has a right to doing things his way. If he wants to go portal heavy, just do that.

I think the lack of success and process just has everyone worried.

They act like they want to go HS heavy (Fland, Queen, McNeeley, others)(Haralson, Mullins, Reibe, Moreno). But then they miss.

I think the hit rate makes fans question the path and the direction as much as anything.

The perceived treatment of guys starts to become another problem.

He is definitely a loyalty guy. I can kinda get that.

It’s just bad vibes, because it seems like something that could have been easily handled with a system in place.


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Loyalty only works if your method produces something better than an 0fer.  

[Josh]

As a guy who has a large team of people working under me, I've had a number of people I've fired who tell stories about how they've been wronged.  Sometimes they run their mouths very openly about it even though they were clearly the one in the wrong.  When they do, it tends to sway the opinions of those who only hear their side.  In their stories they're so innocent 

Look, I want Woodson gone.  But this one sided story annoys me.  Sounds like a jaded employee whose side of the story has been made public.  Be careful making judgments based upon a fired employee's grumbles

[Golfman25]

7 hours ago, ap2345 said:

I was told there will be long term ramifications. There are players and other staffers that are not happy with this decision by Woodson 

Great way to start the season.  Especially after football is 10-0.  

[Stuhoo]

17 minutes ago, Golfman25 said:

From a previous post is sound like they had that discussion and Woody didn't like it.  No evidence that this was "behind his back."  

So if you read my post carefully, it’s not a defense of Woody. If you made your point with your boss and still think your boss is an @$$? Your choices are shut to your mouth or move somewhere else.

[Shooter]

13 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Adam Howard is a 23 year old operations assistant. Woody is the head of the program.

If you don’t like the way the big boss does things, you’re supposed to respectfully ask to make a recommendation. If the boss hears you out and decides otherwise? It’s a settled issue.

If the boss is the type that won’t hear you out or hears you out and you think still makes terrible decisions? Then it’s your decision to find alternate employment or get on board.

What a 23 year old junior employee should never do? Gripe about the boss’s final decisions behind his back. If you’re going to do that you should’ve taken that offer from Dusty May at Michigan.

Period.

It's true that Woodson makes the final call. It's also true that good leaders listen to their people.

Repeatedly mentioning Howard's age is petty. Either he's good enough for his role or he's not. Woodson hired him, he must have thought he was good enough. 

Ultimately it comes down to results. If Woodson was killing it in high school recruiting, he can say "my way or the highway" and people would be fine with it. When he's not, he's going to get second-guessed.

[Josh]

9 minutes ago, Shooter said:

Woodson hired him, he must have thought he was good enough. 

I've thought that everybody I hired would be great.  Truth is, some people interview well but are bad hires while some people who are great employees are bad interviews.  Nobody bats 1000

[Hoosierfan2017]

Woodson gets a massive pass from a contingent of the fan base because he’s a former player. If he was just judged on his tenure as head coach, it would be virtually unanimous that he needs to go. He deserves zero benefit of the doubt at this point. He’s a petty egomaniac who gets rid of anyone who doesn’t devote 100% loyalty to him. 

[RaceToTheTop]

13 hours ago, ap2345 said:

Not just that but a guy that loves Indiana University. That’s the part that really sucks to me. 

Tom Allen loved Indiana University.  

[RaceToTheTop]

22 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Woodson gets a massive pass from a contingent of the fan base because he’s a former player. If he was just judged on his tenure as head coach, it would be virtually unanimous that he needs to go. He deserves zero benefit of the doubt at this point. He’s a petty egomaniac who gets rid of anyone who doesn’t devote 100% loyalty to him. 

I would more likely say he gets a pass from a contingent of those pulling the strings and providing $ because he's a former player.  I wouldn't say fans in general do not or there would be a 23000 post thread here.

Bottom line is he doesn't do himself any favors with the way he has treated the media who have asked fair questions of him but statements about him 'not needing to answer them'.  His self-actualization is lacking.  Last year certainly would have gotten more of a break from fans if he was someone that they personally liked.

[J34]

1 hour ago, Josh said:

I've thought that everybody I hired would be great.  Truth is, some people interview well but are bad hires while some people who are great employees are bad interviews.  Nobody bats 1000

Our corporate model was a biannual internal eNPS. All employees remained anonymous and filled out a net promoter score. Overall  employee satisfaction, criticism, and areas of improvement. Then we broke it down into the department management and their teams. Great indicator of how our leaders were performing, based on the views from their own personnel. Maybe Dolson should conduct one of these, and see where things actually stand internally.

 

2 hours ago, Josh said:

 

 

[JSHoosier]

14 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

I know that I'm dreaming, but hopefully the ramifications include Woodson and unemployment insurance.

Give his and his staff's salaries to Cignetti and co., maybe they'll get the hint. Plus the football staff deserves it more.

[iu eyedoc]

6 hours ago, J34 said:

Our corporate model was a biannual internal eNPS. All employees remained anonymous and filled out a net promoter score. Overall  employee satisfaction, criticism, and areas of improvement. Then we broke it down into the department management and their teams. Great indicator of how our leaders were performing, based on the views from their own personnel. Maybe Dolson should conduct one of these, and see where things actually stand internally.

 

 

I think Dolson knows where things stand internally, he is just been neutered when it comes to being able to do anything about it.

[iu eyedoc]

10 hours ago, Josh said:

As a guy who has a large team of people working under me, I've had a number of people I've fired who tell stories about how they've been wronged.  Sometimes they run their mouths very openly about it even though they were clearly the one in the wrong.  When they do, it tends to sway the opinions of those who only hear their side.  In their stories they're so innocent 

Look, I want Woodson gone.  But this one sided story annoys me.  Sounds like a jaded employee whose side of the story has been made public.  Be careful making judgments based upon a fired employee's grumbles

Have any of those you've fired been offered another position not under your supervision immediately after you fired them by your superior?  I think that is a validation that the firing was more personal than professional.

 

[AZ Hoosier]

Tom Allen loved Indiana University.  

And Mediocre Mike Woodson loves him some Mike Woodson.

[str8baller]

10 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

So if you read my post carefully, it’s not a defense of Woody. If you made your point with your boss and still think your boss is an @$$? Your choices are shut to your mouth or move somewhere else.

That’s true in a vacuum with regards to Howard and Woody. Problem is I don’t live in that vacuum. And I only care about me. So from the fan’s perspective this is just another sign of internal dysfunction when viewed from the outside. 
 

I think a lot of people’s attempt to assess blame here—outside of general gossip—is frustration with general program dysfunction. And that falls on Woody ultimately. Howard could be 100% in the wrong, and he may be for all I know, but it’s a poor look for leadership that you’re dismissing staff mid-season.  

[iu eyedoc]

10 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

So if you read my post carefully, it’s not a defense of Woody. If you made your point with your boss and still think your boss is an @$$? Your choices are shut to your mouth or move somewhere else.

The problem is his position is unique, so there is no "somewhere else"  He was an IU grad that loved the university and the basketball program, so he tried to change what he saw as an anchor to the success of the program.

Just like it is silly to suggest that there is "somewhere else" for fans that want changes to the program, or that "true fans" are required to blindly root for the obviously low effort HC, suggesting a recruiter trying to improve his HC recruiting habbits, when told to bugger off, should move suck it up or just "somewhere else," when there is no emotionally equivalent position is a bit disingenuous.

[Stuhoo]

13 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

The problem is his position is unique, so there is no "somewhere else"  He was an IU grad that loved the university and the basketball program, so he tried to change what he saw as an anchor to the success of the program.

Just like it is silly to suggest that there is "somewhere else" for fans that want changes to the program, or that "true fans" are required to blindly root for the obviously low effort HC, suggesting a recruiter trying to improve his HC recruiting habbits, when told to bugger off, should move suck it up or just "somewhere else," when there is no emotionally equivalent position is a bit disingenuous.

After multiple years with the program under Woody, knowing what Woody is like for better of for worse, Dusty May offered him a job the past offseason.

He knows exactly what his boss is like and decided to stay for this year.

[Stuhoo]

1 hour ago, iu eyedoc said:

I think Dolson knows where things stand internally, he is just been neutered when it comes to being able to do anything about it.

Dolson is not neutered.
It’s Woody’s last year, win big or lose big. 
Let’s hope it’s a great one.

 

[iu eyedoc]

12 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

After multiple years with the program under Woody, knowing what Woody is like for better of for worse, Dusty May offered him a job the past offseason.

He knows exactly what his boss is like and decided to stay for this year.

yes "A" job when he already had "THE" job. And you are right he surely did know all of CMW's recruiting warts. Good on him trying for sticking it out at his dream job and trying multiple  avenues to improve CMW's poor recruiting habits. Bad on CMW for rebuffing them and petulantly firing a guy that the athletic department valued so highly.

[iu eyedoc]

17 minutes ago, Stuhoo said:

Dolson is not neutered.
It’s Woody’s last year, win big or lose big. 
Let’s hope it’s a great one.

 

So you are saying Dolson wanted CMW back this last off season? That QB and the mega donors didn't dictate retaining him?