Adam Howard No Longer On Staff

[Hovadipo 55,440]

21 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

True but then the bosses boss wanted to keep him lol

For me that doesn’t complicate things, it provides clarity. Assuming that’s true (and I have no reason to believe it isn’t) that just further clears up how Dolson feels about things and shows where it’s headed. 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,121]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Adam Howard is a 23 year old operations assistant. Woody is the head of the program.

If you don’t like the way the big boss does things, you’re supposed to respectfully ask to make a recommendation. If the boss hears you out and decides otherwise? It’s a settled issue.

If the boss is the type that won’t hear you out or hears you out and you think still makes terrible decisions? Then it’s your decision to find alternate employment or get on board.

What a 23 year old junior employee should never do? Gripe about the boss’s final decisions behind his back. If you’re going to do that you should’ve taken that offer from Dusty May at Michigan.

Period.

Everything you have posted here is absolutely true.  But as an alum and a fan, I want what's best for the program.  We lost a guy that knows more about recruiting than the head coach.  That can't be good for the program, and it says something pretty damning about the head coach.

[ap2345 7,600]

26 minutes ago, Hovadipo said:

For me that doesn’t complicate things, it provides clarity. Assuming that’s true (and I have no reason to believe it isn’t) that just further clears up how Dolson feels about things and shows where it’s headed. 

That’s fair 

[ap2345 7,600]

5 minutes ago, IUHoosierJoe said:

Everything you have posted here is absolutely true.  But as an alum and a fan, I want what's best for the program.  We lost a guy that knows more about recruiting than the head coach.  That can't be good for the program, and it says something pretty damning about the head coach.

Not just that but a guy that loves Indiana University. That’s the part that really sucks to me. 

[IUHoosierJoe 1,121]

2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Not just that but a guy that loves Indiana University. That’s the part that really sucks to me. 

Absolutely.  I hope he might be offered (and interested in) coming back in some capacity when a change is made.

[HoosierHoopster 6,873]

^^ What's both comical and unfortunate to me is the unnecessary drama and emotion. That's the recurring, and frankly silly issue.

Perspective - Similar stuff happened at my office (law firm) this week:

- a first-year associate (so 25 or so) was being somewhat thrown under the bus by the litigation partner she works for, and overheard him (standing outside his office) basically bad-mouthing her to another partner, including, well, lying or slanting what she had and had not done.

- She confronted him and in front of the other partner, basically calling him out. Good idea? Uh, no. Was she in the right? Uh, yes.

- Partner blows up and yells at her (out of character), slams his door.

- Associate goes back to her office and is really upset. She's now concerned that her job may be in jeopardy.

- Emotion and drama...

- I'm on my firm's Exec Committee so she comes to me and another of my partners to tell her side and try to figure out what to do.

- Now i get to have a meeting with my partners about this when I'm trying to handle some pressing cases...

- Resolution? I talk to both, smooth things over -- sh*t happens, you know -- and take her on as her managing partner. Everyone's now fine.

What I'd say to Woodson? -- Grow a pair. Young 20-somethings are going to do something you don't like. Own it, deal with it.

What I'd say to Adam? -- Grow up. Gotta work with the boss you have. You're part of a team.

This was unnecessary drama.

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,152]

Not just that but a guy that loves Indiana University. That’s the part that really sucks to me. 

No doubt. That’s the thing. The common ground is there. These problems should be reconcilable.

Re:Mullins. (Dad might have been Barrel Rick) It seems possible Dad can be a lot. But Barrel Rick said explicitly that Woodson was the reason, Indiana wasn’t the choice. The Haralson miss is just embarrassing imo, as he was clearly option 1A. But there also seems to be an unorganized and disjointed recruiting effort in general. I hate to point to the obvious but it seems like Hulls, Walsh, Howard recruit our white players and Yasir, Hunter recruit our black players. I don’t think it should be that way, and it feels disjointed to me almost like we have 2 teams. I’m kinda spitballing here but it’s something I’ve noticed over the past couple years.


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[Silat Player 293]

1 hour ago, Trish said:

Agreed. Especially him being so young in his career in basketball. You do what you're told at that age, you don't talk back or air your grievances. Last thing you want is to be let go at a P4 program with a title DURING the season. Not a great look on either end. 

A title? 

[Dave from Dayton 3,061]

9 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

A title? 

 Yes.

[Hovadipo 55,440]

7 minutes ago, Silat Player said:

A title? 

 

3 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

a little...typos are easy to spot, usually.  

He meant Howard has a title on the staff. No longer a background character, but a salaried staff member. 

[HinnyHoosier 4,853]

1 hour ago, ap2345 said:

True but then the bosses boss wanted to keep him lol

I think the boss's boss's boss wanted to keep him the most. 

[Hoosierfan2017 21,124]

17 hours ago, Trish said:

If I had to make random guesses without knowing the situation, I would maybe wonder if it’s a DUI, or something involving law enforcement, inappropriate relationship with a student.
 

Ive heard a lot of crazy **** in the coaching circles with coaches still not being fired. But maybe Woody has a short temper and Adam actually didn’t do anything serious? Maybe we will find out one day. Not a great look for Indiana basketball considering you don’t fire someone during the season typically. 

Dolson offering him another job pretty much confirms that it wasn’t something serious from Adam. I saw a post speculating that it could be Dolson trying to save IU from a lawsuit, but (1) as a young white male, Howard doesn’t fall into any protected classes, and he presumably was an at-will employee, so any lawsuit would be an uphill battle and (2) you don’t sue your former employee as a young guy with a very promising career ahead of him, he’ll have no difficulty finding another job immediately.

The most likely reason is the obvious one, imo. He did/said something that Woodson didn’t like and Woodson, being the petty, ultra sensitive guy that he is, fired Howard for it. 

[LamarCheeks 18,477]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Dolson offering him another job pretty much confirms that it wasn’t something serious from Adam. I saw a post speculating that it could be Dolson trying to save IU from a lawsuit, but (1) as a young white male, Howard doesn’t fall into any protected classes, and he presumably was an at-will employee, so any lawsuit would be an uphill battle and (2) you don’t sue your former employee as a young guy with a very promising career ahead of him, he’ll have no difficulty finding another job immediately.

The most likely reason is the obvious one, imo. He did/said something that Woodson didn’t like and Woodson, being the petty, ultra sensitive guy that he is, fired Howard for it. 

FYI, this was posted earlier from ap2345  ... 

Basically Woodson asked Adam to separate Anthony Leal and Trey Galloway in the locker room by moving their lockers and he refused, he said they're sixth year seniors and he didn’t want to do that. Adam did eventually do it though. Woody and Howard didn't talk for three weeks, when Adam pressed him on it Woodson blew up and said that he talks and shares too much with recruits and they got in an argument. Woodson also never got over Adam almost leaving to coach with May before Woodson came up with an official job for him. Woodson felt he wasn’t loyal. 

And also
 

This came from the Trilly discord from a well sourced individual as well. Both stories have been confirmed by Trilly after he did some digging for us.

What l've heard...
Adam was had been frustrated with Liam last year because of how it was handled post commitment. He then was even more frustrated with the Mullins recruitment because he felt like it was winnable if Woodson had got more involved. The overall feeling was Woody was involved heavily in the Haralson recruitment and they felt like it was less
winnable than Mullins. Woodson had heard about the frustration and decisions were made.

[AKHoosier 6,783]

1 hour ago, JSHoosier said:

They weren't serious when they hired him, refusing to move on when they should've just cemented that.

He doesn't have the track record or coaching ability to have that much of an ego.

Woodson's perception of himself vs the reality of how others perceive him are so far apart.

He clearly thinks he swings a much bigger stick than he he actually does. It's not to hard to see why, as he played under Bob Knight, won a championship here, and played/coached in the NBA. 

So it's understandable if you get an ego. 

But you've got to do some self reflection and try to judge yourself objectively once in a while. It's a good leadership trait to have confidence, but it's also important to be humble.

[Hoosierfan2017 21,124]

12 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

FYI, this was posted earlier from ap2345  ... 

Basically Woodson asked Adam to separate Anthony Leal and Trey Galloway in the locker room by moving their lockers and he refused, he said they're sixth year seniors and he didn’t want to do that. Adam did eventually do it though. Woody and Howard didn't talk for three weeks, when Adam pressed him on it Woodson blew up and said that he talks and shares too much with recruits and they got in an argument. Woodson also never got over Adam almost leaving to coach with May before Woodson came up with an official job for him. Woodson felt he wasn’t loyal. 

And also
 

This came from the Trilly discord from a well sourced individual as well. Both stories have been confirmed by Trilly after he did some digging for us.

What l've heard...
Adam was had been frustrated with Liam last year because of how it was handled post commitment. He then was even more frustrated with the Mullins recruitment because he felt like it was winnable if Woodson had got more involved. The overall feeling was Woody was involved heavily in the Haralson recruitment and they felt like it was less
winnable than Mullins. Woodson had heard about the frustration and decisions were made.

Thanks! What a strange situation. Aren’t Trey and Leal good friends? Maybe I’m just imaging that, but I thought they were roommates or something. If two players’ lockers need to be separated for team chemistry issues then that’s one thing, but it sounds like this was Woodson just wanting to flex his control. 

Mediocre Mike could not be more different from Cool, Calm, and Collected Cignetti. Cignetti doesn’t have time for petty drama. He’s too locked in.  Woodson could learn a thing or two from our premiere program’s coach. His recruiting is going to tank even harder now that he canned one of his hardest working staff members. 

[ap2345 7,600]

3 minutes ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

Thanks! What a strange situation. Aren’t Trey and Leal good friends? Maybe I’m just imaging that, but I thought they were roommates or something. If two players’ lockers need to be separated for team chemistry issues then that’s one thing, but it sounds like this was Woodson just wanting to flex his control. 

Mediocre Mike could not be more different from Cool, Calm, and Collected Cignetti. Cignetti doesn’t have time for petty drama. He’s too locked in.  Woodson could learn a thing or two from our premiere program’s coach. His recruiting is going to tank even harder now that he canned one of his hardest working staff members. 

Woody thought they were to buddy buddy 

[WayneFleekHoosier 48,152]

5 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Woody thought they were to buddy buddy 

That’s wild.  Did he feel undermined by them?

 

oh BTW, PS to coach, Gallo is better than Carlyle and needs to play 28-30 a game.  And Leal is better than Cupps and should play almost all of his minutes. There is my coaching tip to staff if they want to take it.  

[Stuhoo 80,102]

Just now, WayneFleekHoosier said:

That’s wild.  Did he feel undermined by them?

 

oh BTW, PS to coach, Gallo is better than Carlyle and needs to play 28-30 a game.  And Leal is better than Cupps and should play almost all of his minutes. There is my coaching tip to staff if they want to take it.  

That’s a post I want to double emoji; like and laugh

[raorIU 320]

3 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

Adam Howard is a 23 year old operations assistant. Woody is the head of the program.

If you don’t like the way the big boss does things, you’re supposed to respectfully ask to make a recommendation. If the boss hears you out and decides otherwise? It’s a settled issue.

If the boss is the type that won’t hear you out or hears you out and you think still makes terrible decisions? Then it’s your decision to find alternate employment or get on board.

What a 23 year old junior employee should never do? Gripe about the boss’s final decisions behind his back. If you’re going to do that you should’ve taken that offer from Dusty May at Michigan.

Period.

Wouldn't Dolson be Woody's boss? Sure doesn't seem like this dynamic plays out in that relationship. This hero worship nonsense is significant in why IU is in this situation with Woodson. That sort of thing has no place in high functioning teams, sports or otherwise. It's a cancer and we are seeing all of the expected symptoms.

[Dave from Dayton 3,061]

3 minutes ago, raorIU said:

Wouldn't Dolson be Woody's boss? Sure doesn't seem like this dynamic plays out in that relationship. This hero worship nonsense is significant in why IU is in this situation with Woodson. That sort of thing has no place in high functioning teams, sports or otherwise. It's a cancer and we are seeing all of the expected symptoms.

Did Dane Fife and Woody have issues because Fife was talking to recruits about things that he should not be talking to recruits about?  Yes.

Is the word out about Howard talking about things that he shouldn't and not doing things he was told to do?  Apparently.

So Woody kicked sand in the face of some fans.  Oh, got our feelings hurt? 

Woody has had issues in not getting point guards and shooters and platooning and matchups & etc.  But this year, being that he is on probation...heh...is likely make or break for the coach.  Seems to me he just isn't winning enough.  That is true.

So Woody can't fire or be mean without excelling.  Yeah, right.  

I say he has to really bring home the bacon this year or hasta la vista.  But that has nothing to do with Fife or Howard.  Or what he said to fans...