They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[Hornsby]

It gets be like an NBA free agency thing for Woodson. No need to do actual work and recruit building block players. Just pay the ones that are available to come play for you. Atta boy…

Clear to see why his age isn't really a factor. He does not have to pound the pavement and work hard. He goes has his assistants buy him some players.

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[Golfman25]

25 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

New team, takes time to learn the defense, blah blah blah. They kept him so his feelings didn't get hurt, they'll find an excuse.

IU has had plenty of experience making excuses over the last 20 years, one of the few things they've done well.

 

Can we hang an excuses banner?  :)  

[Sardinefarts1991]

It's gonna be a fun month after the season...lots of big spots to fill.  We better hit home runs on 3-4 guys..

[AZ Hoosier]

25 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Of all the guys that have reason not to transfer, Cupps tops the list. I mean why would he? He's starting, though he's not ready to even be a rotational player on a P5 team. He makes a killing on merch due to IU's fan base. What am I missing here!

Woodson. His style will keep Cupps and any other guard that they manage to get just feeding the post... 

[AZ Hoosier]

25 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

No. QB talked them into getting Woody a few years ago because he was an NBA coach. With their limited sports background, they think if you can coach the Knicks than you can coach IU. Then Fred made the switch aroo by hiring Archie with their money so now they're showing us by keeping Mike around for a 4th year and trying to give him everything he needs to be successful. 

Buckner: separating fools from their money since 2016.

[AZ Hoosier]

24 minutes ago, JSHoosier said:

They clearly don't realize the Knicks fired him after 3 years. 

Odd, the fired him in the time frame we should have.

And they fired him for the same crappy coaching style that he's foisted on Indiana... hello? McFly?

[HoosierMoore]

I love the sunshine-pumpers on twitter/x acting like we are the crazy ones for wanting a new coach.  We won 3 games in a row and now we are Duke, Carolina, UCONN etc.  We're Back Baby!  Back to NIT maybe 

[ib4iu]

2 hours ago, Five Prime said:

IF Woodson gets a GM for the basketball program maybe this could actually work.  I'm sure high level college athletics are messy to navigate with NIL and transfer portal, which is a full time job itself.  If he can get the players he needs to run the system he wants then maybe...?  I'm trying to find the positive here.  

He will have to go the portal route. If I’m the parent of a high school kid that is looking to make a decision on a top school to go to and the HC won’t come see my son and we meet with the GM. That’s a hard no. 

[Five Prime]

2 minutes ago, ib4iu said:

He will have to go the portal route. If I’m the parent of a high school kid that is looking to make a decision on a top school to go to and the HC won’t come see my son and we meet with the GM. That’s a hard no. 

Just for the sake of argument, isn't that sort of how professional sports are run?  Coach coaches and the GM manages the roster.  If we are in a new era of semiprofessional/pro-lite college sports, why can't that paradigm shift too?

[go iu bb]

1 hour ago, Ghost of Rick Majerus said:

Coming to this board and reading messages from "sources" is all part of the draw and fun. Even if they do not prove to be true. 

And I get it, rumors are just rumors, some prove to be true and others false. However, something is very odd in this whole situation. Where did all the smoke come from? 

What is with the weird timing of last night's press release? Why did they not name a specific source?

And most of all, how could anybody in leadership look at this program and think it's going in the right direction? Do they not understand the college game? Do they not understand that no other program would have hired Woodson in a million years?

Being 39 years old, I've experienced more turbulence from this program than good, but like all of you, I'm hanging in there. But I'm reaching my breaking point. Why should I be so passionate about a program in which the leadership is ok with mediocrity? It's absolutely infuriating. 

 

 

Wait a second... Rick Majerus has been dead only 11 years. I'm starting to think you might not actually be the Ghost of Rick Majerus...

[realTomCrean]

12 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Woodson. His style will keep Cupps and any other guard that they manage to get just feeding the post... 

I'm with ya AZ. Currently attending GCU for my Master's - Go Antelopes!

[AH1971]

2 hours ago, southernindianahoosier2 said:

Do I understand Glass’ tenure correctly?

- Hired because power vacuum filled by Aussie / Gonso (no other schools would have sniffed him)

- Didn’t fire Tom in 2011 after year 3 of Crean was worse than year 2 to hire Stevens 

- Extended Crean, outbidding only ourselves in 2013, and thus unable to fire after the Syracuse loss and losing out again with Brad Stevens 

- Was still unable to evaluate Creans tenure and may have been forced to fire Crean? (That’s scary)

- Disrespectful to old IU guard, thus leading us to being forced to hire Woodson years later

-Poor evaluation of Archie during interviews

-Missed 7 of 11 tournaments for bball under his tenure

- Skimped on budget leading to poor seeding in 2016, Apr issues / bill of rights unable to bring McKinley Wright… also hamstrung us with recruits

- IU pays $24.5M to fire all of his hires. 2X football coaches fired 2X Basketball coaches fired

- Wrote a book after he was let go that he rebuilt Indiana athletics

- 3 years after he left almost every program gets immediately better, basketball still in the thick of the mess that he created.

10 years of the Aussie and Glass and we’re still feeling the impact today. 

I didn't feel like typing this last night, but I don't have a busy day today and figure I'd share an encounter I had a few weeks ago with someone who I feel is qualified to say what they had to say.

So a few weeks ago I ran into Mike Berghoff at a Pacers game. For those who don't know, Mike is head of the Board of Trustees at Purdue. Mike and I go way back. Lived in the same neighborhood for many years and attended the same parish/school where some of our kids ran in the same circles. Hadn't seen him in awhile but small talk quickly turned into a conversation about IU/PU and the direction of both programs. After about 30 seconds of rambling on about Woodson he politely cut me off and said this:

"The problem isn't Woodson, look at your leadership. Look at who has been running your athletic department the last 10-15 years. Fred Glass? He's a lawyer. Scott Dolson? He's a fundraising guy. Who qualifications do either of those guys have in evaluating and conducting a coaching search?"

Of course I couldn't disagree with him and he went even further. Went on tell me that after being appointed chairman, his first big athletic task was naming a successor to Morgan Burke who had just announced his retirement. He said he along with the rest of the board, Mitch Daniels, and a small advisory group consisting of former Purdue athletes identified 5-6 candidates. He said the one qualification each candidate must possess was prior experience as an AD (shocking). Said Mike Bobinski was easily the most impressive interview despite not being the most qualified candidate and that was with Mike Bobinski already holding the title of AD at two other universities. He said only one time in nearly 10 years has Mike Bobinski come to him for permission to do something and that was firing Darrell Hazell mid-season. He simply said, "can't believe you didn't ask me sooner". He went on to tell me that during the search for Hazzell's replacement he gave 2 order to Bobinski:

1) This is your budget

2) Use your head

He wanted no part of stepping on Bobinski's toes because at the end of the day that was why they hired Bobinski in the first place. 

Just thought it was interesting to hear a perspective from a rival school from someone so close to the situation. Just goes to show how dysfunctional the leadership at Indiana has gotten. 

[IUrocker]

Then if all the players he chooses in the portal don’t work out he’ll get to say “well we’re a new team…” and just get to act like all he has to do is plug in different ones the following year. Hopefully it doesn’t get that far and he really does plan to just have a 4th year, using whatever new resources that get thrown at him to have a successful season to go out on. 

[Mopladysman]

3 minutes ago, Five Prime said:

Just for the sake of argument, isn't that sort of how professional sports are run?  Coach coaches and the GM manages the roster.  If we are in a new era of semiprofessional/pro-lite college sports, why can't that paradigm shift too?

Because the coach (getting paid 4.5 million dollar a year) should evaluate and convince the players he wants to COACH

[Five Prime]

Just now, Mopladysman said:

Because the coach (getting paid 4.5 million dollar a year) should evaluate and convince the players he wants to COACH

Is that how pro sports work? 

[OKHOOSIER]

Part of recruiting now is also building relationships for future chances at the portal. Not all the kids are moving up from lower levels. I have no doubt having his job secured now that the lack of HS recruiting is now going to slow to trickle. Woody and his plan have been validated by the money people. It is so short sighted it’s almost shameful. Money is not the only factor in portal recruiting, and we are treating as such now. Mark my words I have a feeling we are in for a rude awakening in the portal too. I actually have serious concerns about even fielding a full team of high major level players. We left a flipping scholarship unused this year. 

[Hornsby]

I love the sunshine-pumpers on twitter/x acting like we are the crazy ones for wanting a new coach.  We won 3 games in a row and now we are Duke, Carolina, UCONN etc.  We're Back Baby!  Back to NIT maybe 

They are acting liking like Woodson just won the big ten. Guys stating he needs much more time to get this going and this year isn't his fault. Boy I knew the expectations had gotten low but man it's worse than I even thought

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[Ryno6284]

2 hours ago, Hornsby said:

I wonder if the old guard who craved an iu guy who played for knight is loving this nba farm team approach Woodson has. I think Woodson and happy would be best friends if happy was a real person.

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[darB s'tI]

5 hours ago, Chris007 said:

Once again I feel like I have to share this every couple of years. I have never said I'm an insider, I've never said anyone should believe anything I say, I've never pushed anything I've heard as fact. I've never said you need to read anything I write or hear. All I have ever said is I will always share what I hear. If the mods want me to stop doing that I'm fine with that.

I didn't show up yesterday with an agenda. I've been here for many years. If you feel the need to take your shots at me, go for it, I'm a big boy. As someone told me yesterday I should disappear and come back with a different name. But I enjoy this board and the many friends I have made over the last 10 years. 

We need a few less "gotcha" people on this forum in my opinion....none of us get to ask for insider info from Chris007, Kathy/C, Jerry, or anyone else....and then point the finger when decisions change. If you don't want to believe what's being said behind closed doors, just take every post as a matter of opinion. But for those of you finger-pointing and chastizing users who have reliable sources close to IUBB, go find another board or simply block Chris/Kathy/Jerry/others. For me, I enjoy their insight and today's decisions often contradict yesterday's decisions, even at a BOT level. People (like the BOT) change their minds/positions on things often; don't destroy those who give us the only valuable line of sight we have.

[AZ Hoosier]

17 hours ago, AH1971 said:

I didn't feel like typing this last night, but I don't have a busy day today and figure I'd share an encounter I had a few weeks ago with someone who I feel is qualified to say what they had to say.

So a few weeks ago I ran into Mike Berghoff at a Pacers game. For those who don't know, Mike is head of the Board of Trustees at Purdue. Mike and I go way back. Lived in the same neighborhood for many years and attended the same parish/school where some of our kids ran in the same circles. Hadn't seen him in awhile but small talk quickly turned into a conversation about IU/PU and the direction of both programs. After about 30 seconds of rambling on about Woodson he politely cut me off and said this:

"The problem isn't Woodson, look at your leadership. Look at who has been running your athletic department the last 10-15 years. Fred Glass? He's a lawyer. Scott Dolson? He's a fundraising guy. Who qualifications do either of those guys have in evaluating and conducting a coaching search?"

Of course I couldn't disagree with him and he went even further. Went on tell me that after being appointed chairman, his first big athletic task was naming a successor to Morgan Burke who had just announced his retirement. He said he along with the rest of the board, Mitch Daniels, and a small advisory group consisting of former Purdue athletes identified 5-6 candidates. He said the one qualification each candidate must possess was prior experience as an AD (shocking). Said Mike Bobinski was easily the most impressive interview despite not being the most qualified candidate and that was with Mike Bobinski already holding the title of AD at two other universities. He said only one time in nearly 10 years has Mike Bobinski come to him for permission to do something and that was firing Darrell Hazell mid-season. He simply said, "can't believe you didn't ask me sooner". He went on to tell me that during the search for Hazzell's replacement he gave 2 order to Bobinski:

1) This is your budget

2) Use your head

He wanted no part of stepping on Bobinski's toes because at the end of the day that was why they hired Bobinski in the first place. 

Just thought it was interesting to hear a perspective from a rival school from someone so close to the situation. Just goes to show how much dysfunctional the leadership at Indiana has gotten. 

This is how it works at (almost) all universities that aren't named "Indiana"... and Berghoff is correct that Indiana's leadership is completely built on a house of cards... and when it crashes to the ground, they just stack the cards back up and do it again. Remember the definition of insanity? It's doing the same thing over and over and over again and expecting different results.