They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IUFAN1976]

9 hours ago, AZ Hoosier said:

He's been protected from day one by Quinn Buckner, Ferguson, Simons, Cooks, et al. And Woodson has acted exactly like he's bullet proof from that same first day on the job.

He’s hard to like in the first place but that entitlement right there is what makes me totally despise him and that group!

[IUFAN1976]

9 hours ago, Golfman25 said:

Who's they?  You think Quinn and that old man gave two chits?  Fife and Matta was Dolson's attempt to make a chit sandwich edible.  

Exactly!  That is the only that I felt how this thing hiring a guy with little head coaching experience and zero college experience was go into even come close to working.  But Woodson’s ego got in the way and the edible chit sandwich was not edible anymore.

[Ryno6284]

13 hours ago, Scotty R said:

How do you know what they are worrying about

They would have $hit canned him by now if they weren’t worried about “optics”!

[American HoosierX]

12 hours ago, Hoosierfan2017 said:

I actually agree with never been got Scott on this. We shouldn’t just take it as a given that Woodson is gone next year.

IU cares about optics more than anything else. They will care about the optics of firing an alum who made 3 tournaments in 4 years. It shouldn’t matter. Anyone with a pulse can see the issues over the past four years. But the IU administration will care. That’s why I’m so adamant that it’s vital we miss the tournament this year. 

What “optics”? You have NW students creating signs for us to keep Woodson. Anyone that follows college basketball at all thinks Woodson is an awful coach. And I don’t see anyone in the media defending him.

Who are the optics police? Honestly, who would even bat an eye at this point if we fired him? 

[Chris007]

13 hours ago, realTomCrean said:

I agree with you. I guess I’m thinking more from his part, with a coach who’s guaranteed to be fired. Question for anyone who may know: if a player signs an NIL deal & a coaching change occurs is the contract amount still valid or would it become negotiable?

Well, no one is signing an NIL deal till they get to campus. So August would be the earliest for this kid. But from what I'm told some deals make it that the player gets paid monthly, some have it that they are paid in a couple of installments. 

[Hoosierfanyuh]

We’re getting a commitment today and I’m not even excited. I used to set reminders for when people were committing. 

[IndianaSconnie90]

Their record has given more backing to the "optics" crowd than anything else. Frankly, it's a weak argument in the optics department to avoiding firing him. You have IU fans chanting to fire him, NW fans chanting/making signs. What are the IU fans going to do if Maryland comes in on Sunday and kicks our @$$? Not to mention PU fans are salivating at the idea of bashing the program with Woody at the helm. The negative optics associated with him on the sideline far exceed the optics of picking the right time, especially with the upcoming gauntlet 

[Chris007]

11 hours ago, Herotime said:

Let’s all dream together! @Chris007 how do you suspect we’ll hear about the firing initially?

Some national writer will announce that Woodson is retiring, and then Osterman will be right behind with a story. 

[Chris007]

15 minutes ago, HoosierX said:

What “optics”? You have NW students creating signs for us to keep Woodson. Anyone that follows college basketball at all thinks Woodson is an awful coach. And I don’t see anyone in the media defending him.

Who are the optics police? Honestly, who would even bat an eye at this point if we fired him? 

I think the optics are we are 14-6 overall and 5-4 in the Big Ten. People who don't know our schedule see a winning record and a winning conference record. 

[Home Jersey]

10 minutes ago, Hoosierfanyuh said:

We’re getting a commitment today and I’m not even excited. I used to set reminders for when people were committing. 

The King just doing his job… lol

[Scotty R]

37 minutes ago, Ryno6284 said:

They would have $hit canned him by now if they weren’t worried about “optics”!

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

[IUFAN1976]

23 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think the optics are we are 14-6 overall and 5-4 in the Big Ten. People who don't know our schedule see a winning record and a winning conference record. 

Isn’t it more about possibly scaring away the potential new coach if we fire a coach mid season with a winning record overall and in conference, with still 11 regular season games left that they could win many of them.  Also, isn’t the fact that the many coaches and normal fans don’t see all the detailed circumstances involved in this whole mess.

[Chris007]

10 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

He's getting booed off the court at Assembly Hall, and Fans home and away are chanting fire Mike Woodson, he has talked about the outside noise in two different press conferences and you don't think the athletic department is having discussions about his job? Come on now. 

[Chris007]

2 minutes ago, IUFAN1976 said:

Isn’t it more about possibly scaring away the potential new coach if we fire a coach mid season with a winning record overall and in conference, with still 11 regular season games left that they could win many of them.  Also, isn’t the fact that the many coaches and normal fans don’t see all the detailed circumstances involved in this whole mess.

It could be but I think most coaches think they would be much better if they had this roster. I'm guessing most coaches think we are underachieving just like we do as fans. 

[Ryno6284]

19 minutes ago, Scotty R said:

Or maybe there were never any discussions about firing him mid season. You believe something to be true and then it doesn't happen then you just think it is because the administration changed there minds. Maybe don't believe everything that is said on here and think it is true

I wasn’t even talking about what was said by some on here. I was talking about what I see with the IU athletic dept and how it is ran. Not how I run my business!

[Banksyrules]

Coaches recognize a bad coach. They also know how pitiful he is at high school recruiting.  Candidate’s won’t care because they talk to each other. We’re we might find problems is through the administration. If they’re too many cooks in the kitchen then elite candidates might shy away. 

[HoosierMatty]

I think it's just a general rule most schools don't like to fire a coach in the middle of the season versus at the end. And generally the optics probably look better. Only in extreme circumstances do they make that move.

Regardless of whether we think it should happen now clearly they don't feel they he's met that bar just yet. I think the plan is to definitely make the move at the end regardless. One thing to consider is the pressure of QB and Ferguson to protect Woody making firing him tough enough. Getting them out of the way may mean comprising and promising them they will wait until the end. As much as that makes me want to puke, I can totally see that.

That being said looking at the schedule remaining I see plenty of blow out losses to come. I honestly think he might not get a win until Washington. If he's loses bad the next 3 games maybe we see them finally pull the plug.

 

[Hoosierfan2017]

As long as he’s done at the end of the season, I’d rather IU not fire him mid season. He deserves all these boos he has coming his way. 

[Ryno6284]

We will win 1 or 2 games most of us think we shouldn’t!

[HoosierMatty]

8 minutes ago, Banksyrules said:

Coaches recognize a bad coach. They also know how pitiful he is at high school recruiting.  Candidate’s won’t care because they talk to each other. We’re we might find problems is through the administration. If they’re too many cooks in the kitchen then elite candidates might shy away. 

Exactly. People say our demanding fan base is a deterrent. I say it's always been our administration. Sure some coaches don't like a pressure cooker and others don't care. But what all coaches want is a competent administration that gives them the support you need to succeed