They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[IH8PU]

Over a nice hot cup of coffee with the sun rising behind the trees shining into my computer room window, reading threads from my last stop on Friday night .... my ignore list increased by one this morning.

Guess who?  

[IUCrazy2]

11 hours ago, AH1971 said:

Appreciate it, but if you don’t understand the importance of guard play

Nah, you don't get to claim objectivity and state that in defense of Mike Woodson.  Every one of Woodson's detractors understands the importance of guard play.  That is the reason they have been complaining about running Race and Trayce together.  Running Reneau and Ware in at the same time.  Failing to go and secure better guards to the point of leaving a scholarship open instead of landing one.

Mike Woodson doesn't deserve any kind of credit for doing the type of things that non-NBA coaching experienced, dumbasses on message boards have been saying needs done every offseason since he got here.  "Hey overpaid, arrogant dipshit, congrats on finally doing what everybody and their grandma has been telling you to do since you got here (at least when it comes to recruiting).  It only took enough people to seriously advocate firing you for you to figure out."

Why do we give out brownie points to a guy who HAS to fill up half his team and was kicked millions of extra dollars by billionaire buddies to go get players?  Of course he was going to get some guys.  He woke up and remembered to breath today, wanna give him an award for that too?

Here, Good job Mike.  You have apparently met the most basic requirements of your job by getting some what appear to be good players.  Now the real test comes in.  He has assembled what I am told are gourmet ingredients.  So I expect more than a classy ingredient Big Mac next year.  That is where chefs make their hay.  Anybody with money and access can acquire ingredients, the proof is in the taste and presentation.

[LamarCheeks]

This seems to come out of nowhere. 

Seth Davis, who seems to be somewhat well respected, had an interesting take -- seemingly revisiting the Brad Stevens to IU narrative. 

I don't want people to get all jacked up about the Masshole all over again, but this certainly was odd. Maybe he was joking? I don't know what led to this speculation. Davis says "Perhaps if there's a big job open in his native state next year ..."

Well, there WAS a big job open in 2021, and Stevens wasn't interested. Why would next year be any different? 

I just simply cannot imagine why the President of Basketball Operations of the NBA's most storied franchise, with the league's best record this year, would return to college and deal with coaching, recruiting and the NIL and portal messes. 

Maybe he's just trolling us? LOL! 

https://x.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1778858724360433687

[Dave from Dayton]

36 minutes ago, IH8PU said:

Over a nice hot cup of coffee with the sun rising behind the trees shining into my computer room window, reading threads from my last stop on Friday night .... my ignore list increased by one this morning.

Guess who?  

Dan Dakich?

Seth Davis?

Mike Woodson?

Edgar Allan Poe?

Stephen Bardo?

Class of '66 Old Fart?

[ap2345]

36 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

This seems to come out of nowhere. 

Seth Davis, who seems to be pretty well respected, had an interesting take -- seemingly revisiting the Brad Stevens to IU narrative. 

I don't want people to get all jacked up about the Masshole all over again, but this certainly was odd. Maybe he was joking? I don't know what led to this speculation. Davis says "Perhaps if there's a big job open in his native state next year ..."

Well, there WAS a big job open in 2021, and Stevens wasn't interested. Why would next year be any different? 

I just simply cannot imagine why the President of Basketball Operations of the NBA's most storied franchise, with the league's best record this year, would return to college and deal with coaching, recruiting and the NIL and portal messes. 

Maybe he's just trolling us? LOL! 

https://x.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1778858724360433687

I would counter argue and say that it’s probably because he’s getting the itch to coach again, he wants to win an NCAA championship, and his job of negotiating contracts in the NBA probably sets him up to deal with the NIL landscape better than most college coaches. 

[IUCrazy2]

35 minutes ago, LamarCheeks said:

This seems to come out of nowhere. 

Seth Davis, who seems to be pretty well respected, had an interesting take -- seemingly revisiting the Brad Stevens to IU narrative. 

I don't want people to get all jacked up about the Masshole all over again, but this certainly was odd. Maybe he was joking? I don't know what led to this speculation. Davis says "Perhaps if there's a big job open in his native state next year ..."

Well, there WAS a big job open in 2021, and Stevens wasn't interested. Why would next year be any different? 

I just simply cannot imagine why the President of Basketball Operations of the NBA's most storied franchise, with the league's best record this year, would return to college and deal with coaching, recruiting and the NIL and portal messes. 

Maybe he's just trolling us? LOL! 

https://x.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1778858724360433687

Seth Davis makes extra money from interactions on Twitter.  Have you seen the activity on the Trilly Donovan discord rooms?  Speculation like Davis did is a good way to juice his biweekly Twitter earnings.

I am not entertaining Stevens to Indiana ever again.  Furthermore, so much has changed since he was in college, that isn't necessarily the slam dunk it would have been even 5 years ago IMO.  He has been out of the coaching game for a long time too and quite a bit has changed since he left.  That being said, if I woke up one morning and pigs were flying, Purdue coeds were hot, and Brad Stevens was our coach, I wouldn't be mad.

[Dave from Dayton]

13 minutes ago, IUCrazy2 said:

Seth Davis makes extra money from interactions on Twitter.  Have you seen the activity on the Trilly Donovan discord rooms?  Speculation like Davis did is a good way to juice his biweekly Twitter earnings.

I am not entertaining Stevens to Indiana ever again.  Furthermore, so much has changed since he was in college, that isn't necessarily the slam dunk it would have been even 5 years ago IMO.  He has been out of the coaching game for a long time too and quite a bit has changed since he left.  That being said, if I woke up one morning and pigs were flying, Purdue coeds were hot, and Brad Stevens was our coach, I wouldn't be mad.

No way that Purdue coeds will ever be hot.  That just is not possible.  Period.

[AZ Hoosier]

10 hours ago, HoosierAloha said:

Where to start with all this nonsense..

 

Can’t believe people’s number 1 concern last offseason was shooting. My number 1 concern was coaching. We could have done more with the roster we had which is true for previous seasons too.

 

On the topic of offseasons, looks like we’ve entered our most successful season of the year. Get the banners ready boys!

 

We need many things including players and coaching who understand spacing. While that’s extremely important, we leaders on the court and sidelines badly.

 

How many times have we led for a recruit thinking we had them in the bag only to watch them go elsewhere? Imaginary lineups are fun but maybe we sign those portal players, get them on campus, and have an off-season with much less yapping and a lot more leading to improve themselves and the team.

 

Super happy to have TJD and JHS get drafted last season and hopefully Ware this season. I’m more concerned about how players impact IU winning games. We’re like a Cal-at-pUKe-lite getting players drafted but haven’t don’t ****-for-all to improve the IU program.

 

BS isn’t coming to IU until we have better administrators. Not sure how this has changed over the last few years

 

You would think with how the program directs all the trolls with burners they could do better directing what truly matters but here we are

Yeah, buddy! Looking forward to winning another off-season and then another epic fail when "the ball is tipped".

BTW, the reason Woodson performs better in the off-season/portal season rather than the recruiting season is the amount of work required. Just dangle a big paycheck and wait for them to show up. None of that pesky relationship building stuff.

[IUCrazy2]

5 minutes ago, AZ Hoosier said:

Yeah, buddy! Looking forward to winning another off-season and then another epic fail when "the ball is tipped".

BTW, the reason Woodson performs better in the off-season/portal season rather than the recruiting season is the amount of work required. Just dangle a big paycheck and wait for them to show up. None of that pesky relationship building stuff.

I don't think it is building the relationships he struggles with.  It is maintaining them.  I think he is good in the initial meetings but he struggles to maintain everything because that never had to be a priority at any of his other jobs.

[AZ Hoosier]

1 hour ago, ap2345 said:

I would counter argue and say that it’s probably because he’s getting the itch to coach again, he wants to win an NCAA championship, and his job of negotiating contracts in the NBA probably sets him up to deal with the NIL landscape better than most college coaches. 

I was thinking the same thing.

[AZ Hoosier]

55 minutes ago, Dave from Dayton said:

No way that Purdue coeds will ever be hot.  That just is not possible.  Period.

 

[TadQueasy]

2 hours ago, LamarCheeks said:

This seems to come out of nowhere. 

Seth Davis, who seems to be pretty well respected, had an interesting take -- seemingly revisiting the Brad Stevens to IU narrative. 

I don't want people to get all jacked up about the Masshole all over again, but this certainly was odd. Maybe he was joking? I don't know what led to this speculation. Davis says "Perhaps if there's a big job open in his native state next year ..."

Well, there WAS a big job open in 2021, and Stevens wasn't interested. Why would next year be any different? 

I just simply cannot imagine why the President of Basketball Operations of the NBA's most storied franchise, with the league's best record this year, would return to college and deal with coaching, recruiting and the NIL and portal messes. 

Maybe he's just trolling us? LOL! 

https://x.com/SethDavisHoops/status/1778858724360433687

My  heart cannot take being teased like this again.  

[HoosierMatty]

When it comes to Stevens I will believe it the moment it happens. Otherwise I just think it's a pipe dream. That being said if he ever wanted the job or still wants it, I think the whole mash hole speech was over the line. 

 

[Stuhoo]

My opinion? Some media pundits know a ton of inside info.

Seth Davis isn’t one of them. Never discount that it’s possible he has a source, but I’ve never known Seth Davis to have any credible insight.

[johnsoniu]

Far greater chance that Seth Davis is trolling the IU fan base than there is him having any credible insight into Stevens showing interest in the IU job. Duke punk.

[go iu bb]

18 hours ago, AH1971 said:

The one year IU had a single good guard they were a top 30 offense.

But yeah, Mike Woodson.

That season was the ceiling for Mike Woodson. Yeah, the offense was good. He had an AA center (one of IU's all time best players) and a OAD PG. They had Kopp to make 3s and Galloway had his best shooting year by far.

Yet, they still only managed to go 23-12, 12-8 on the season. They only managed to win 1 B1GT game. Got a 4th seed in the NCAAT but managed only 1 win there, too. 8 of those 12 losses were by double digits, including the blowout loss to Miami to end the season. 

Even with an elite guard he wouldn't have TJD to pair him with. That offense had at least as much to do with TJD as with JHS. He forced double teams and did a great job passing out of the post.

So yeah, Mike Woodson.

[lillurk]

23 hours ago, Kentuckysucks said:

 

 

 

22 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I know you don’t want to take my word for it but he’s told a lot of people in the last 5 years that he will coach CBB again particularly one school.

 

22 hours ago, Trish said:

He’s going to get the itch to coach again, it happens to every coach. 

 

21 hours ago, ap2345 said:

I still think if his kids had been older when Woodson was hired Brad Stevens would be the Indiana University head coach right now and not Mike Woodson.

 

21 hours ago, Chris007 said:

I don’t think that was the plan all along. But I think it’s been said to keep contacting me and we’ll see if the time is right.

I do actually buy this, and he’s still quite young (47, 4 ~years younger than Mark Pope, for example), that he could have a long career at his dad’s Alma mater. 

He’s proven to be quite a good executive, too. That’ll be great for navigating the new reality of college revenue sports.

Trish is right, coaches get the itch to go back to the sidelines, especially someone so good at every part of the job.

1. get an NBA ring 2. kids age out of the nest 3. NCAA rules address some of the “Wild West” nature of the current landscape and maybe change the calendar to be less insane 4. IU needs a new leader…

This gives me some peace about the long-term.

[Hornsby]

When it comes to Stevens I will believe it the moment it happens. Otherwise I just think it's a pipe dream. That being said if he ever wanted the job or still wants it, I think the whole mash hole speech was over the line. 
 

I am guessing the one and only way quinn and the big money boosters would ever move on for Woodson is for Steven's. If not I am guessing Woodson is here for as long as he wants to be

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[Chris007]

16 hours ago, Bankshot said:

Ok. I understand the focus of this thread is on firing Woodson, but if I’m following correctly, Chris has been dropping some bombs in here that haven’t gotten much discussion. And these are new things I have not heard before.

What I think I saw was:
- There’s a possible to real chance that Brad Stevens could return to college coaching, perhaps at IU

- He may have told Indiana to “keep in touch with me, and I’ll let you know if the time is right”.

- Success by the Celtics could help this along, perhaps soon.

- Even though Woodson has Buckner’s (and boosters) strong support, if Stevens wanted to come, we would make that move.

Did I glean or interpret that right? If that’s correct, that seems huge!

 

Sorry for taking so long but watching my son play crappie golf all day but that’s another story.

No hints or anything like that but just talking about what Seth said. I think he wants to coach again some day. I think he really enjoyed coaching college basketball. He’s done it all in professional basketball as coach, GM and now president. 
 

I think Indiana basketball means something to him and his family. He’s told more than one person he would retire as the IU coach. I’m not guessing on that. Anyway who needs Brad when Woodson is killing it with all of these guards. Just wish someone would have told him it was a guards game before year 4.

[Chris007]

28 minutes ago, lillurk said:

 

 

 

 

I do actually buy this, and he’s still quite young (47, 4 ~years younger than Mark Pope, for example), that he could have a long career at his dad’s Alma mater. 

He’s proven to be quite a good executive, too. That’ll be great for navigating the new reality of college revenue sports.

Trish is right, coaches get the itch to go back to the sidelines, especially someone so good at every part of the job.

1. get an NBA ring 2. kids age out of the nest 3. NCAA rules address some of the “Wild West” nature of the current landscape and maybe change the calendar to be less insane 4. IU needs a new leader…

This gives me some peace about the long-term.

With the portal he could be GM and coach which he’s done both well.