They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

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I don’t prefer having Beard here, yet easy to see why people do. The guy is a great coach. Whether IU would or wouldn’t, I won’t speculate for now. What I will say is, in addition to the terrible basketball we are forced to watch this season, I hold a grudge against the admin for forcing us to have an entire calendar year of debate on the subject of Chris Beard, his case, and whether we would hire him or not lol. They could’ve just made the change last offseason, when everyone and their mother could see it was needed - even Helen Keller. You don’t need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. Whoever the heck they hire, he better be a real winner. They owe us that. 

[realTomCrean]

2 minutes ago, iu eyedoc said:

He deserves what he gets Sunday, it is of his own making and he is the only one that can decide on his retirement and "do the right thing."

And the attitude that he is owed something because he was a great player here 40+ years ago and his "kingly" entitlement is exactly what got us here in the first place.

I can't disagree with you, but it just eats me up that the administration is letting this slide downhill without any action to stop it or ease tension. "Mike Woodson will be retiring at the end of this basketball season" Press release. After that I'm ok with the results of the year and looking forward to the next coach. Hell I'd even root for the old fart to win the B1G tourney at that point. Just retire old man!

[IU Prof]

2 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I.mean I feel like the people who have beard locked up in prison and guilty as sin also had the Duke lacrosse guys guilty as sin on day one. The holier than they attitude of some is unreal. And rush to judgment no matter what.

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The Duke lacrosse players vigorously fought and denied the charges. Beard walked away from $25 million guaranteed without so much as a whimper. Even you have to see the difference.

[iu eyedoc]

4 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Beard will fail here just like Sampson did. Just like Beard did at Texas. 
 

There’s a reason no legit programs looked to hire either last year. Small-time miscreants that don’t have what it takes to win at a major program. 

[hoosierbannerd]

Chris007..are you sensing a retirement announcement tomorrow to make sure Sunday isn't a massively embarrassing clusterf*ck inside AH?

[PartyintheVillas]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I.mean I feel like the people who have beard locked up in prison and guilty as sin also had the Duke lacrosse guys guilty as sin on day one. The holier than they attitude of some is unreal. And rush to judgment no matter what.

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I don't view it as judgement, I view it as unnecessary risk.

[JF87]

8 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

Didn't IU's starting PG last year go 90MPH down a busy inner-city street?

Yes.  But we didn't recruit a veteran back-up point guard, so we just told Xavier not to do it again.  

[str8baller]

3 minutes ago, realTomCrean said:

I can't disagree with you, but it just eats me up that the administration is letting this slide downhill without any action to stop it or ease tension. "Mike Woodson will be retiring at the end of this basketball season" Press release. After that I'm ok with the results of the year and looking forward to the next coach. Hell I'd even root for the old fart to win the B1G tourney at that point. Just retire old man!

Woody thinks they’re winning Saturday and then winning out to get in the tournament. Buckner probably feeds into that delusion. 

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

Beard is in play? Boy that is going to make some very unhappy.

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What I read from Chris's quote was simply 'Beard isn't out'.  Sounds like he's not option 1 or 2 but more like 5.

[SamIam]

11 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think Beard is in play, but he is not ahead of Stevens or May. I think there are a couple of other people ahead of him, also. I think tomorrow will be interesting for many different reasons. I have no inside information about tomorrow just seems like a lot is going on. Hopefully for everyone involved this nightmare is over soon. 

Didn't you say he had no chance? Have you heard something that changed your mind?

[CSP]

Just now, IU Prof said:

The Duke lacrosse players vigorously fought and denied the chargers. Beard walked away from $25 million guaranteed without so much as a whimper. Even you have to see the difference.

Did she punch him first? Not convinced, at all, he's innocent....

Some of you are acting like you were there though

[HoosierX]

3 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

I.mean I feel like the people who have beard locked up in prison and guilty as sin also had the Duke lacrosse guys guilty as sin on day one. The holier than they attitude of some is unreal. And rush to judgment no matter what.

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I find the old "these people are the same people" argument to be funny, as it is almost always pure speculation.

I don't think there is much debate on whether he put hands on his girlfriend. It's not a rush to judgment, it happened, according to her own words and physical evidence. The fact that his girlfriend subsequently dropped the charges doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we can't hire him, but let's not stick our head in the sand while we do it.

[RaceToTheTop]

9 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Beard will fail here just like Sampson did. Just like Beard did at Texas. 
 

There’s a reason no legit programs looked to hire either last year. Small-time miscreants that don’t have what it takes to win at a major program. 

Beard went to a title game....that's not small-time.  

By that token, Brad Stevens is small-time because Butler isn't a major program.....except he made it one.

[OKHOOSIER]

7 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

I don't know man, being staunchly against domestic violence doesn't really feel like being self-righteous. Maybe he didn't do it, the police report and opinions of the officers are pretty damning, but someone else can take the chance on Beard. I'd rather find someone else, even if they don't win as many basketball games.

The type of issue matters here whether they want to acknowledge it or not. If he had been charged with and subsequently acquitted of DUI, or honestly, even convicted, I probably wouldn’t care. 
 

Im not rehashing my stance, yes the guy can flat out coach, and there’s a reason he’s at a notoriously scummy win at all costs school within a conference that in general has a win at all costs mentality. 
 

IU shouldn’t be a win at all costs school, no matter how much I dislike Mike Woodson and bad basketball. 

[GloryDays]

6 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

I don't know man, being staunchly against domestic violence doesn't really feel like being self-righteous. Maybe he didn't do it, the police report and opinions of the officers are pretty damning, but someone else can take the chance on Beard. I'd rather find someone else, even if they don't win as many basketball games.

I get it and believe me I'm with you on that part .Im also against stuffing security guards in waste cans.

Just venting but Damm I want to win.

Stevens May then Beard with a clause in his contract.

[Chris007]

Just now, SamIam said:

Didn't you say he had no chance? Have you heard something that changed your mind?

I did say that. I think he has a chance, he's down the list but saying no chance is dumb on my part. He would have to be vetted and OK'd by Whitten but there is a way to get there. Hopefully, it doesn't come to that but I'm not saying there is no chance. 

[CSP]

Just now, HoosierX said:

I find the old "these people are the same people" argument to be funny, as it is almost always pure speculation.

I don't think there is much debate on whether he put hands on his girlfriend. It's not a rush to judgment, it happened, according to her own words and physical evidence. The fact that his girlfriend subsequently dropped the charges doesn't change that.

I'm not saying we can't hire him, but let's not stick our head in the sand while we do it.

yeah yeah... I'm good with that. There are levels to all this, though, right? 

[IU Prof]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

Did she punch him first? Not convinced, at all, he's innocent....

Some of you are acting like you were there though

Who cares? You don't inflict that level of injury on a woman under any circumstances.

And again, if he had any claim to innocence, why didn't he contest a firing that cost him $25 million?

[Napleshoosier]

14 minutes ago, Chris007 said:

I think Beard is in play, but he is not ahead of Stevens or May. I think there are a couple of other people ahead of him, also. I think tomorrow will be interesting for many different reasons. I have no inside information about tomorrow just seems like a lot is going on. Hopefully for everyone involved this nightmare is over soon. 

I have no issue with Beard. Hell of a coach.  He’s an easy #3 with me.

[HoosierX]

Just now, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

yeah yeah... I'm good with that. There are levels to all this, though, right? 

Absolutely, and I don't know enough about it to get into the intricacies of those levels. I just don't think there is a magic pill we can take and pretend like nothing happened.