They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[AKHoosier]

9 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Again, don’t need 3 top 50 or whatever barometer you’re using.

-Fully expect an upperclassman Reneau to be an all-B10 caliber performer, especially offensively.

-it’s natural to expect MM to take a big leap and become a go to threat

-offer Javon Small, Ryan Conwell, and Jalen Blackmon whatever they want and take commitments from the first two. That becomes your starting backcourt. All three would be even better and allow you to bring Galloway off the bench 
 

-identify a rim protector who you feel comfortable playing 15 mpg and out to 20 in case of foul trouble. Don’t care what he can do on offense so long as he can set a screen, crash the glass, and rim run.

-add 7th/8th man sharp shooting type (Connor Hickman) and bouncy wing similar to Anthony Walker to shore up the front court.

I could 100% get behind this roster next year.

This lineup would be pretty bad defensively. Not one I'd be overly excited about tbh.

[DChoosier]

4 hours ago, Adillac said:

ok but who wants our players in the portal? lol. no offense to them but...They aren't going to a bigger program and get minutes. Their options are probably to go to a smaller school and actually play but make way less money or none at all. Right? 

They will make less than they did this year but I’m going to guess they (Gunn/Banks/Sparks) assumed , or were told, that the bank $$$ would be closed for them next year.

[AH1971]

13 minutes ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

If we are paying 6-8 million for that roster I’d want a refund.  
 

Every other team with half that NIL has a more impressive roster. We will be about a torvik 60.

 

aint good enough. Probably won’t be.  Maybe eventually I’ll accept that. lol. 

Totally disagree. Guessing you haven’t seen many of those kids play.

That’s a top 25 KenPom team offensively with a chance of being decent defensively. Small and Conwell rebound extremely well for guards and Galloway is + defender when not tasked with guarding smaller, quicker opponents. Reneau and Mgbako guarding their natural positions only helps. 

[str8baller]

7 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

That’s a top 25 KenPom team offensively with a chance of being decent defensively. Small and Conwell rebound extremely well for guards and Galloway is + defender when not tasked with guarding smaller, quicker opponents. Reneau and Mgbako guarding their natural positions only helps. 

We were 28th in Oe with NPoY candidate TJD and 1st rounder JHS at point and Galloway and Kopp shooting 40%+ from 3. 
 

Woody it’s going to need A LOT to get to top 25 Oe. 

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

We were 28th in Oe with NPoY candidate TJD and 1st rounder JHS at point and Galloway and Kopp shooting 40%+ from 3. 
 

Woody it’s going to need A LOT to get to top 25 Oe. 

For how talented JHS was, he was horrifically inefficient. Teams who play two bigs and don’t shoot a lot of 3’s, let alone make them, tend to be.

Conwell was one of the most efficient guards in the country and Small is a high volume shot maker. Add Reneau who is very good in single coverage and Mgbako who improved every month, that’s the most potent offense Woodson will have had to date.

[RoncalliHoosier]

1 hour ago, WayneFleekHoosier said:

Odds this staff puts together a top 25 roster for preseason?

7%

Odds this staff finishes the season in the top 25?

1%

And more or less, this is their expectation.


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Curious how you calculated these percentages, understanding that 63.8% of all statistics are made up on the fly. :D

[KNOBYDOX]

14 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Totally disagree. Guessing you haven’t seen many of those kids play.

That’s a top 25 KenPom team offensively with a chance of being decent defensively. Small and Conwell rebound extremely well for guards and Galloway is + defender when not tasked with guarding smaller, quicker opponents. Reneau and Mgbako guarding their natural positions only helps. 

The problem is you assume that they would be playing for a good coach?

[IUGRAD06]

3 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

For how talented JHS was, he was horrifically inefficient. Teams who play two bigs and don’t shoot a lot of 3’s, let alone make them, tend to be.

He was horribly efficient because Woodsons offense has us shoot too many midrange jumpers.  It’s the offense.  It happens every year with Woodson. It’s not just because he was inefficient.  His inefficiency was due to the O.  It happens every year.  Get your players better shots.  

[RoncalliHoosier]

55 minutes ago, AKHoosier said:

Mike Woodson has forced himself into the position of having to put together a bubble team right now. 

An 18-13 team losing its best player and senior point guard is not going to sniff the top 25 next season, at least not with our coach at the end of the bench. 

Yep. Knight's epic quote about Dale Brown applies to Woodson in spades. Woodson can't coach his way out of a parking lot with a personal driver. 

[str8baller]

4 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

Teams who play two bigs and don’t shoot a lot of 3’s, let alone make them, tend to be.

Anybody that doesn’t make shots will have an inefficient offense. Sounds like a complaint from our head coach..lol. 
 

The point is why aren’t they? It’s a coaching issue. 

[AH1971]

1 minute ago, IUGRAD06 said:

He was horribly efficient because Woodsons offense has us shoot too many midrange jumpers.  It’s the offense.  It happens every year with Woodson. It’s not just because he was inefficient.  His inefficiency was due to the O.  It happens every year.  Get your players better shots.  

It’s hard to run an effective or efficient offense when you condense the court by playing two bigs for nearly the entire game. The proposed portal haul I gave eliminates any idea of playing two bigs simultaneously for an extended period of time.

[Deserthoozier]

1 hour ago, Feathery said:

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

Well, they also had Jay Wright. Clearly we’ve got nothing close!

[AH1971]

3 minutes ago, str8baller said:

Anybody that doesn’t make shots will have an inefficient offense. Sounds like a complaint from our head coach..lol. 
 

The point is why aren’t they? It’s a coaching issue. 

It’s definitely a coaching issue, but it’s also a massive personnel issue. You can’t run two bigs if you don’t have shot makers from the perimeter. It’s as simple as that.

[WayneFleekHoosier]

Curious how you calculated these percentages, understanding that 63.8% of all statistics are made up on the fly. :D

Call it, I’ve got 3 years of data to cram into my brain of Woody ball, Woody recruiting.


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[reconmkd]

Wow, I am as ready for some change in Bloomington as the rest, but the village idiots are out in full force on X. Did you guys know that it is the end of the world and the program because Gunn, Banks, and Sparks are in the portal, or there is no way to replace Gunn next year he was going to be so good, or that the coaches failed those 3 because they didn't develop, or that in addition to those 3 in the portal Ware, MM, and MR are all going pro and Cupps is transferring too... from confirmed sources by the way! holy crap this fan base man! I think there are many who should take a step back, take a deep breath and put the d@mn phone down. 

[cleeter]

Wow, I am as ready for some change in Bloomington as the rest, but the village idiots are out in full force on X. Did you guys know that it is the end of the world and the program because Gunn, Banks, and Sparks are in the portal, or there is no way to replace Gunn next year he was going to be so good, or that the coaches failed those 3 because they didn't develop, or that in addition to those 3 in the portal Ware, MM, and MR are all going pro and Cupps is transferring too... from confirmed sources by the way! holy crap this fan base man! I think there are many who should take a step back, take a deep breath and put the d@mn phone down. 

If you think X is bad, don’t go to the Facebook groups.


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[Deserthoozier]

43 minutes ago, str8baller said:

We were 28th in Oe with NPoY candidate TJD and 1st rounder JHS at point and Galloway and Kopp shooting 40%+ from 3. 
 

Woody it’s going to need A LOT to get to top 25 Oe. 

Uhmmm…thinking like a brain transplant?

[IndianaSconnie90]

2 hours ago, Feathery said:

Villanova under Jay Wight had a ton of success with quality guards and undersized bigs. 

Let us know when Jay is our coach 

[IndyHoops]

1 hour ago, AH1971 said:

Again, don’t need 3 top 50 or whatever barometer you’re using.

-Fully expect an upperclassman Reneau to be an all-B10 caliber performer, especially offensively.

-it’s natural to expect MM to take a big leap and become a go to threat

-offer Javon Small, Ryan Conwell, and Jalen Blackmon whatever they want and take commitments from the first two. That becomes your starting backcourt. All three would be even better and allow you to bring Galloway off the bench 
 

-identify a rim protector who you feel comfortable playing 15 mpg and out to 20 in case of foul trouble. Don’t care what he can do on offense so long as he can set a screen, crash the glass, and rim run.

-add 7th/8th man sharp shooting type (Connor Hickman) and bouncy wing similar to Anthony Walker to shore up the front court.

I could 100% get behind this roster next year.

It’s way, way too early for this, but I will bite….

Your first point is accurate, but you leave out the most important part. Yes, Reneau is a great offensive player, but the problem is on other end of the floor. He can’t guard the perimeter as a 4 and is too foul prone as a 5. What he scores, he gives up on the other end. Add to the fact he isn’t a very good rebounder, I honestly don’t know what you do with Reneau. 

MM improved a ton this year and showed flashes at the end. But was it against bad teams or was it legit? He is absolutely vital to IU’s success next year, but much like Reneau, there is a lot of things that need to improve. If MM stays at the 3, defensive rotation has got to improve drastically. And MM is another one that needs to improve rebounding. I am not worried about MM putting up 16 a game next year, it’s what he gives up on the other end is what I am concerned about.

The next point is where next season is won or lost before July. IU needs a play making guard that’s a threat from deep. A All Big Ten level point guard. They also need a ton of shooting. 2 or 3 guys that can hit from the high 30s is crucial. Miss on any of this in the portal, next season is lost before it starts.

IU doesn’t need a rim protector if the perimeter defense improves. But with Reneau and MM at the 3 and 4, a rim protector is probably required. Which clogs the lane on the other end. And let’s be real, IU isn’t getting another Ware in the portal. 

Even if everything you said happened, I would still be concerned about perimeter defense and rebounding. 

And all this assumes the staff will change offensive and defensive philosophy in the next couple months.

[Silat Player]

37 minutes ago, AH1971 said:

It’s definitely a coaching issue, but it’s also a massive personnel issue. You can’t run two bigs if you don’t have shot makers from the perimeter. It’s as simple as that.

Yep. That's why Purdue gets away with playing 2 bigs part of the game. They have 3 other players who can hit 3s on a regular basis. 

The fact that Woodson didn't change last year after Race and TJD graduated was a travesty. It will be telling how many bigs Woodson recruits. It was...uh...interesting that he recruited both Walker and Sparks - two bigs who couldn't shoot outside of 5 feet.