They “Retired” Coach Woodson Thread

[KathywithaC]

1 hour ago, LamarCheeks said:

I agree that it was wrong for Glass to not give Woody proper respect. But what made the basketball alums think Woody was qualified? The same questions we had this time would've existed then -- just four years earlier ... 

He never had coached in college. 
He was 50 games under .500 in the NBA. 
Were he not an IU grad, no college would've had interest in his services. 
I could go on, but (thankfully for all) won't ... 

Now, I'm starting to wonder: If Woody wanted the job so bad when Archie were hired -- and many basketball alums were enamored of him -- was Glass pushed to fire Crean by QB et al for that reason: to try to bring Woody aboard? 
 

Crean lost a lot of support from both IU admin people and former players. The Davis / Holt deal really hurt him. Bit Glass was solidly behind him until he was told that it a change was going to occur. Buckner delivered that message but he was far from the only one who felt that way. Woody wanted to be considered and a bunch of basketball alums supported him but Glass locked onto to Miller and blew Woody off. That created a rift that didn’t heal.

[AZ Hoosier]

56 minutes ago, jbeaman9 said:

PAGE 500, HERE WE COME!!!!!

IT'S THE FINAL COUNTDOWN!

Naw... we're just getting warmed up...

[KathywithaC]

16 minutes ago, Hoosier DaDa said:

Well you did spell her name wrong it KathywithaC

I spent a lot of years correcting people on the proper spelling of my name!

[Hoosier DaDa]

2 minutes ago, ap2345 said:

Multiple people have said this. Either way it's the first time anyone has ever said Buckner was involved with that. Archie, yes but he firing no. 

Sorry two hours behind I see that now.

[coonhounds]

agreee - reminds me of James Blackmon.  Believe he reopened his recruitment and once new coach came in JB stayed at IU

James committed to iu and Tom crean. He reopened his recruitment and got injured. Crean and iu was very supportive of him during his recovery .when it came down to iu and kentucky he chose iu because of that.

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[Coach Robby]

Predict what page number any decision will take place on....it's active all day, so I'm gonna go 729

[Chris007]

OK since @AZ Hoosier is firing me. I'm going to say this since it's been a good day so far and we have a game tonight.

From what I'm hearing I don't think QB is going to block Dolson from making a move after the season. He might not agree with it but he won't stop it from happening.

That is the good news. The bad news as of today is I would slowly start bracing ourselves that Bruce Pearl might not be the next coach. I'm not sure Dolson can get enough support for it. 

I think IU has a case of FOMO. If I were to guess today and this could change later today or this week I would say Dusty May would be the next coach. 

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

I'm thinking of changing my screen name to PrezPamW watcha all think?   lol

[AZ Hoosier]

54 minutes ago, Papacap said:

Nest year, after a mass exodus of players, IU ends up 5 games under .500 and Woodson will say, given our player situation, it was a good year. And IU will give him an extension.

Don't laugh... it's akin to the dude who murdered both of his parents and then begged the judge for mercy because he was an orphan...

[Home Jersey]

1 minute ago, OKHOOSIER said:

Archie was 139-63 with four straight NCAA tournaments and four straight seasons of 24+ wins to include the EE run when we hired him. He was hardly “flavor of the month.” I didn’t like Archie as coach either but this is revisionist history. He was at least talked about in connection to almost every major opening from about 2014 on. 

He was only ever HC for 6 seasons at Dayton which is a well-oiled machine from a basketball program perspective. He had 5 20+ win seasons, an EE, and three first weekend exits. He was associated with major openings because people assumed he'd be like his brother Sean. They are totally different people. The fact he was not a good personality fit should have been identified during interviews. Compare that to someone like Dan Hurley who had 17 years as a HC under his belt before going to UConn. When a struggling program, like UConn post Ollie or IU right now, is making the next coaching hire... they need to be sure of what they are getting. Archie did not have the personal attributes or coaching track record for him to have been considered a great hire in my book. It is easy to understand why the decision was made, but I wasn't very excited about it at the time and neither were others, so I'd hardly call it revisionist history to be fair.

[mamasa]

1 hour ago, Ngw7183 said:

I stopped posting as I said I would. I am not coming back to dive into all this or further debate. One post and out. Want to stay away until this is all resolved. 

I did want to chime in with some different perspectives. Maybe help some of the group think.

Who would be doing this and how would it all make sense? Eric and HH makes a ton of sense. Eric wants a change and while you might agree with that, he is using his perceived power to try and influence it. 

- Rabby decided to get in bed there. Guy has more ego than Woody times a hundred. He is close to some of the biggest oppositions to Woody like Evans (who has his own issues). Eric thinks he is untouchable for “all he does for the program” 

- The Pearl stuff all started by Trilly saying “he was talking to a media guy with lots a of connections, he said a donor stated the hot name would be Pearl, which was interesting to him and odd to him.” What better way to fire up an angry fanbase than get a name like Pearl floated? May doesnt do that for the masses. 

- Rabby has been feeding Trilly all his IU info for awhile now. Slater is still considered most likely to be Trilly or main part of that account. Slater and Rabby are close. Trilly has to rely on local connected guys. They are not all knowing. 

- Rabby has been on Trilly discord for awhile. When things are said, it always aligns with Peegs. People see this as confirmation but really is all one in the same.

- things are not going exactly how you want? Release more stuff. Attack. All the media guys know each other and all trust 2 people. Rabby and now Trilly. If both are saying it, must be true.

- Pearl has no agent. Never has. Easy to google that. This info isn’t coming from agent talk. No real “camp” - it is him. He plays his own game. 

- Pearl has a new grandchild and daughter who live in ATL. The other in Tenn. why leave the south? 

- there were media members from Louisville who made almost word for word statements about Pearl few years ago. “I have been told he is 100% interested and would take it if offered”

- Pearl negotiated his last contract raise by saying to his AD “I want to be here until I retire, my word and relationships matter, make it so I have no reason to ever want to leave. Show me you want me here the same as I want to be here” 

- There remain way too many people opposed to Pearl that matter. That even includes most of the same former players who want Woody out and the ones who don’t. 

- Dolson would be nuts, nuts to attack like this. Even if he got his way, if that came back that he did all this, which does put a very negative light on the program, it would be over for him long term.

Most likely outcome as I said before is another year, staff changes, agree on GM front etc. Could all this change if there is a mass exodus of key players, sure. However, when there is a lot of misinformation being tossed, stands to reason some of that is too. 

The one thing I will end with for those hoping it is all true. Dolson not coming out and squashing all this is odd. Maybe he tried to do that with the players meeting and told them to ignore all the stuff. Still seems odd to me why he hasn’t. So you still have hope haha

 

It's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure each time

[Class of '66 Old Fart]

Just now, mamasa said:

It's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure each time

I just spit coffee.  Thanks a lot @mamasa

[Henryville Hoosier]

2 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Predict what page number any decision will take place on....it's active all day, so I'm gonna go 729

829

[AZ Hoosier]

50 minutes ago, Class of '66 Old Fart said:

Not sure if that's in jest or not.  If it isn't, IMO there is absolutely NO WAY IN HELL a member of the BoT would sign up on btb let alone use a screen name so close to their real name.  Nothing personal DoctorP but that's a pretty crazy take.

Or is it? It could be so obvious that is slides under the radar. :D 

[FortWayneHoosier]

1 minute ago, mamasa said:

It's not an airport, you don't have to announce your departure each time

hahahahahahahahahah!!!!!! I just laughed so loud in my office at work, I got some looks haha!

[Tom White]

2 hours ago, Stuhoo said:

It could be as simple as "they don't give a sh!t who knows how they feel."

IMO there is too much societal belief that everything is influenced/rigged. Sure, that happens and is possible. But what's also possible is that people, including reporters, act independently and without 'getting a message' from somewhere.

People do love their conspiracy theories. Probably all of us do to some extent.

[TadQueasy]

3 minutes ago, Coach Robby said:

Predict what page number any decision will take place on....it's active all day, so I'm gonna go 729

I am going with 666 

[FortWayneHoosier]

@johnsoniu Lets start taking bets on O/U on where the page count ends up by 12 AM 3/7/2024. What you think?

[mamasa]

46 minutes ago, TTT said:

Perspective:

Fire Mike Woodson Thread:  500

Positive Thread Only:             005

You just can't let it go can you?

[OKHOOSIER]

1 minute ago, Home Jersey said:

He was only ever HC for 6 seasons at Dayton which is a well-oiled machine from a basketball program perspective. He had 5 20+ win seasons, an EE, and three first weekend exits. He was associated with major openings because people assumed he'd be like his brother Sean. They are totally different people. The fact he was not a good personality fit should have been identified during interviews. Compare that to someone like Dan Hurley who had 17 years as a HC under his belt before going to UConn. When a struggling program, like UConn post Ollie or IU right now, is making the next coaching hire... they need to be sure of what they are getting. Archie did not have the personal attributes or coaching track record for him to have been considered a great hire in my book. It is easy to understand why the decision was made, but I wasn't very excited about it at the time and neither were others, so I'd hardly call it revisionist history to be fair.

We are in agreement on this. I was all in on Pearl last time, but figured our squeaky clean administration would not consider it. I understand Archie had his warts we should have vetted, but on paper it was lauded. No one thought he would fail. I thought Woodson would probably fail from the jump.