Fire Coach Woodson Thread

[Bowhunter 2,674]

I am more upset about not recruiting our home state. If he would just land some of the Sisleys and Mullins type in-state recruits, I would lay off a bit. Going portal only is not a recipe for success long term.

[rcbowla 6,795]

Things are going well here I see. Man, this sucks. We all have a common desire and that is for IUBB to be great again. Yet, here we are fighting amongst ourselves. This is what happens when a coach says "you're either with me or against me". No matter how you spin it, he f'd up saying that crap.

[Home Jersey 5,435]

1 minute ago, Bowhunter said:

I am more upset about not recruiting our home state. If he would just land some of the Sisleys and Mullins type in-state recruits, I would lay off a bit. Going portal only is not a recipe for success long term.

Being in Indiana and all... I'd think if you can land a few of the top 50-100 4 star type guys/3 star hidden gems from within the state each recruiting cycle, keep them there for 3-4 years... you'd be able to use the transfer portal to grab big fish effectively each year. Focusing on filling holes/landing best talent available where you can upgrade the roster. Seems more sustainable to me. 

[WayneFleekHoosier 47,101]

2 hours ago, btownqb said:

our fanbase would have freaked if we had taken commitments from Swope and Hickman out of HS. 

This is where Woody or someone on the staff is likely right.  If Indiana can maintain/regain it's clout, you get surefire talent then you get the other guys out of the portal if they play strong enough to earn an offer.  I think you are going to see a lot of this type of recruiting going forward.  Certain power 5 schools don't have the playing time available to foster the growth that some of these guys want.  The days of waiting 1 or 2 years to get your chance is far less.  Purdue has been pulling this off but even they brought in a transfer portal guy and Starter guys/big minute guys have fallen off.  

[Bowhunter 2,674]

This is Indiana … not New York!

[Trish 11,417]

Good afternoon. 
 

Fire Woodson! 

[JF87 1,413]

Several IU fans like to say that Dusty May is the flavor of the month.  Somehow, building a program from scratch and making the Final Four doesn't prove that he's a good coach or that he'd be successful at IU.  Some still demand Dusty prove himself again with another Final Four run.  Well, I want Mike Woodson to prove he deserves to be the IU coach.  We have an excellent draw in the Big Ten Tournament, and we have one of the more talented rosters in the Big Ten.  Mike Woodson can prove me and his naysayers wrong by winning the BTT.  Failure to win the BTT means Woodson is just a mediocre coach with an average year.  

[woodenshoemanHoosierfan 6,158]

I have no problem with dissent , but I don't like character assassination especially from someone who can't even fathom being wrong in certain aspects. In the beginning of Woodson's tenure I got bashed hard for opposing the hiring but none of the people who bashed me never made it personal.  That was personal, and it conflates what was a peaceful debate. 

I agree that character assassination is wrong, and neither side of this argument should do it. Unfortunately, I have seen it from both sides of this argument, and only one side gets called out for it. I thought this board was better than this and it was until this thread.
Of course, this is just an extension of the huge divide in this country and lack of respect for other people's opinions.
Having said that, fire Woodson.

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[WayneFleekHoosier 47,101]

1 hour ago, Stuhoo said:

Okay, sure. But here's the other rub:

It has been Woody's job to make the decisions on who to promise playing time and featured roles to, and who not to. At the expense of other options, they chose to go with Trey and X and put their faith in CJ Gunn as depth.

Trey? Sure. He's limited but had an excellent year last year and does a number of things well. X? He was seriously injured with a foot that could have been a recurring problem, in the past he's been in various kinds of trouble, and most of all, he wasn't at all guaranteed to get that sixth year. CJ? They saw him every day last year and completely mis-judged how good he would be this year. Completely misjudged. 

So our staff made the choice to not say "sayonara" to X and replace him and CJ with different guard(s). It did not work out all that well. And that effected winning, which is ultimately how the staff will be judged. If X leads us to four more straight wins and a Sweet Sixteen? Unlikely, but if that happens the staff should gets all the credit for sticking with X.

 

This has been my point from the beginning.  I know how it works.  Promising time/starting/etc. 

 

I knew X had major question marks.  I was worried Gallo's shooting would regress to norm.  I've been vocally worried about Gunn since scouting him in high school (i'll admit i've seen glimpses to see what others see).  I watched Cupps in high school and knew if he was playing regular minutes in college we were in trouble.  

UK has 5 stars coming off the bench all over the place.  Duke, Kansas, some others.  

The misjudgement on existing talent was a fatal flaw.  He didn't know what he needed to win at the level he wanted to win.  That's a major strike against him.  You gotta find a way in recruiting to accumulate talent in the right spots and he didn't.  

Its nice that he love his guys and wants his guys to have success but if you can't see the forrest through the trees because of it, you are going to lose basketball games.  

[OKHOOSIER 1,879]

In the immortal words of my man Snoop Dogg, 

Now back to the lecture at hand:

Fire Mike Woodson

(someone read that and heard Snoop in their head)

[TadQueasy 556]

Has there been any word if there was any meeting today or not?

[BtownStrength 1,012]

2 minutes ago, OKHOOSIER said:

In the immortal words of my man Snoop Dogg, 

Now back to the lecture at hand:

Fire Mike Woodson

(someone read that and heard Snoop in their head)

 

[coonhounds 8,696]

Okay, sure. But here's the other rub:
It has been Woody's job to make the decisions on who to promise playing time and featured roles to, and who not to. At the expense of other options, they chose to go with Trey and X and put their faith in CJ Gunn as depth.
Trey? Sure. He's limited but had an excellent year last year and does a number of things well. X? He was seriously injured with a foot that could have been a recurring problem, in the past he's been in various kinds of trouble, and most of all, he wasn't at all guaranteed to get that sixth year. CJ? They saw him every day last year and completely mis-judged how good he would be this year. Completely misjudged. 
So our staff made the choice to not say "sayonara" to X and replace him and CJ with different guard(s). It did not work out all that well. And that effected winning, which is ultimately how the staff will be judged. If X leads us to four more straight wins and a Sweet Sixteen? Unlikely, but if that happens the staff should gets all the credit for sticking with X.
 

If we win the big ten tournament or get into the ncaa I will say that's enough!

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[jumpshot53 130]

17 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Has there been any word if there was any meeting today or not?

I think the whole board is on here posting.  LOL!

[KNOBYDOX 109]

26 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Has there been any word if there was any meeting today or not?

I thought you had a seat at the table.

[TadQueasy 556]

9 minutes ago, KNOBYDOX said:

I thought you had a seat at the table.

The only table I have a seat at is the one controlled by my wife on days she decides to graciously feed us here.  

[Tasmanian Devil 1,506]

3 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

 

Kind of like 90% of this board was losing its mind over MM being worse than JHS, not even close, can’t see it, no chance he gets there. When all along I was trying to show how JHS was not JHS out of the gate and MM would be fine.

So - as you asked @Chris007 - you’re going to provide the posts that support your claim? If it was 90% it ought to be easy to get those for display.

[Muskie for three 284]

5 minutes ago, Ngw7183 said:

Yes, agents are all over the transfer portal players. They control where they go. Already been agents tell coaches they won’t send players to certain schools where the NIL didn’t come through. Agents also get new business from their clients being happy. Starting roles is a part of that. 

Goodman was just talking about agents the other day . 

[Tasmanian Devil 1,506]

Just now, Ngw7183 said:

I can easily do that but was told not to go back and call out people like that. It was all over this board. 

Calling out and supporting a statement are two different things.

You asked @Chris007, so you should as well.

[JF87 1,413]

29 minutes ago, TadQueasy said:

Has there been any word if there was any meeting today or not?

Board of Trustees Agenda March 12, 2024

1. Discuss raise and contract extension for Mike Woodson.
2. Discuss "Operation Btown Banners" to determine the effectiveness of our efforts to infiltrate the Fire Coach Woodson thread.
3. Determine price to purchase Btown Banners to stop dissent if necessary.
4. Discuss monitoring social media and providing IU fans a social credit score so "True IU" fans may be rewarded, and enemies of our current regime may be punished.
5. Continue basketball propaganda campaign that everything is great, and everything is going as planned.