Fire Coach Woodson Thread

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Cathy entering the Fire Coach Woodson thread after another 25 point loss. 

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This is the concern. Buckner will not turn his back on Woodson...and he probably cares less about the state of the program than Woodson. Buckner is quite literally a huge bottleneck in all of this. 

He could care less about the program. This is about Woodson to him and pride. If the king goes down he is probably happy as much damage is done as possible.

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17 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Mike Davis and Dan Dakich come to mind as a couple of data points. I guess Pat Riley was a good interim coach several decades ago. And Jerry Oliver.

Our old friend Lawrence Frank did OK. Dude was in a history class of mine at IU. Fast forward 13 or 14 years and I see on ESPN that he's been named head coach of the New Jersey Nets. 

That one still throws me for a loop! 

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2 hours ago, hper50 said:

I coach an 8th grade basketball team and typically have the flexibility to plan my practices around IU games and other personal events. Last night I didn't even bother switching practice to another night. Never thought I'd see the day

But were the kids disappointed missing the blowout??

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12 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

So your answer is no, you do have a couple debatable anecdotes though. 

Neither of those interim solutions worked well for us. Look at the landscape of college and pro sports and provide examples of interim coaches, appointed after a coach was fired for performance, succeeded. Ed Orgeron was hired at USC after Pat Haden blew out Lane Kiffin, but his tenure there was short-lived. Temporary fixes are just that - it’s baling wire and duct tape. 

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31 minutes ago, PartyintheVillas said:

Ckathy is displaying a ton of emotion here (pride being the largest), but hiding behind grammar and punctuation. People with insider knowledge don't only react and pass such sweeping judgement as Ckathy does. Furthermore, emotion is an important part of sports and fandom, sometimes it's the best part. To remove emotion is to remove humanity. Ckathy's continued projection of the fanbase being overly emotional continues to miss and ignore the passion and knowledge of the fanbase, which is part of what has made Indiana basketball special for 100 years. In 49 states it's just basketball.

I don't know who, but it's clear some people in the program have started an anti-fanbase sentiment that has spread quite a bit the past year and half.  We see it with Kathy, but also Woody (true fans), some of the players (y'all need to chill), Tyme, SDB, and a few other posters with some program connection on various boards

Interestingly, as you note, the fans are one of the best things IUBB still has going for it... that and NIL.  

IUBB has been a mess for a long time, but this is a new low.  This program is so incapable of taking responsibility they'll even point fingers at the fans... the fans that are somehow, after 25 years of terrible basketball, still caring, donating, and cheering for any sort of reasonable effort.

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10 minutes ago, DoctorP said:

You’re asking the wrong person. Katchy has no sources or inside info. 

Noted that she’s avoiding that question like the plague though. 

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18 minutes ago, Certified Sunshine Pumper said:

You can't be taken seriously worrying about this. 

I’m just not prone to emotionally driven decisions, since they rarely produce good results. 

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Worse, how can it get any worse.  Look around Ellen, we're at the threshold of hell. (Classic Christmas Vacation for those that don't know).

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2 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

Neither of those interim solutions worked well for us. Look at the landscape of college and pro sports and provide examples of interim coaches, appointed after a coach was fired for performance, succeeded. Ed Orgeron was hired at USC after Pat Haden blew out Lane Kiffin, but his tenure there was short-lived. Temporary fixes are just that - it’s baling wire and duct tape. 

Interim coaches have worked as many times as the short numbers of examples you've given that haven't. You have no conclusive data and only anecdotes that fail to consider the larger picture. Where is the data? Do you know what conclusive data is? Also, EddyO won a national title and is a beloved figure by LSU nation.

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13 minutes ago, Hoosier987 said:

This is the concern. Buckner will not turn his back on Woodson...and he probably cares less about the state of the program than Woodson. Buckner is quite literally a huge bottleneck in all of this. 

QB cares deeply about the University and the basketball program. Disagree with him all you want, but the “he doesn’t care” stuff is ridiculous, with all due respect.

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19 minutes ago, Hornsby said:

At this point let him stay and get booed every single game to become ths least popular coach in history. Let Kathy's process play out. Make the king live a nighmare.

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Correct. Everyone involved in his hiring and retention should witness the effects of their actions. 

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9 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

How does this, in any way, create an environment that would “risk something like a Dave Bliss situation . . .”? I know DB lost his way after his IU days and what he did at Baylor was horrible, but I’m not sure I follow you here.

I’m not surprised.  You seem dense. 
Just look at X.  A lot of crazies out there who have it out for the administration.  Why risk a bad situation like what happened to the UHC CEO?

People have had it.  I’ve followed IU basketball for 40 years.  I’ve never seen anything like it.  The whole situation is a giant powder keg if they don’t move now.

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1 hour ago, VFury said:

For the sake of Woodson's legacy, I hope he isn't here when Dusty rolls into town. When he beats them by 20, it'll get very ugly imo.

I wonder which chants will be louder, and which ones will bruise his ego more. The "Fire Mike Woodson" chants or the "Hire Dusty May" chants...

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"Bucker" and "Indiana" are trending on X. The game was only on Peacock. 

IU fans are pissed.

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3 minutes ago, KathywithaC said:

I’m just not prone to emotionally driven decisions, since they rarely produce good results. 

Neither am I. This isn't one. 

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21 minutes ago, Kentuckysucks said:

Hopefully not.  But you never know.  Millions of fans with some definite crazies in the mix who have been **** on by this administration for 25 years.  Keeping him on until the season is over you risk something like a Dave Bliss situation that brings down not just the basketball program but the university.

Why do that when we all know he’s gone?  That’s some very inept and irresponsible management.

Uh, why WOULDN'T this admin do the inept and irresponsible thing, though? For the last 25 years, they have made running a competent basketball program seem more difficult than a combination of brain surgery and rocket science. 

We can count on them to make the worst possible decision at any point in time...

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1 minute ago, KathywithaC said:

Neither of those interim solutions worked well for us. Look at the landscape of college and pro sports and provide examples of interim coaches, appointed after a coach was fired for performance, succeeded. Ed Orgeron was hired at USC after Pat Haden blew out Lane Kiffin, but his tenure there was short-lived. Temporary fixes are just that - it’s baling wire and duct tape. 

The goal of a change now is not to salvage this season. It is also not to find out if an interim coach might become the coach. The fan base is/has given up on Woodson and subsequently the team. The fan base will act like last night but progressively worse as this continues and there is no messaging from IU that a change will be made. 
 

Letting the crowd get ugly will draw unwanted media attention and will make filling the job harder. 
 

That is the goal for Dolson and IU. To preserve a viable reputation and to have IU appear to be an attractive place to coach. Letting this drag on runs counter to that. 

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14 minutes ago, AnotherSznOnTheBrink said:

I’m once again asking if an announced retirement effective EOS is in the realm of realist possibilities?

I think it’s very plausible, but I would be surprised if that happens today or tomorrow or even this month. If it occurs, early March would be the most likely time frame. If they elect to go to that length to give him a dignified exit, I think they’d let the season progress to a point where the end is in sight.

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1 hour ago, KathywithaC said:

What benefit to the program would exist by firing him now? How would that improve the program in the near term, which is the only real impact it would have. Would we be more competitive? Win more games? Serve the interests of the players?

....what if a few of the core players or even most of them have checked out and have more trust in assistant coaches? This is my theory.